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Old 02-14-2013, 08:03 PM   #1
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Talking WHICH ARE THE TOP OF THE LINE TURBOS AND S/C ?

Okay I finally decided to put in some more power into my V6 but was just wondering which is the best to put in a S/C or a turbo set up and then which one would be the best one to pick. I have done my research and there's a lot of turbos and S/C out there and i just to want to spend all that money on one that's not going to last or out perform itself. Thanks for the help
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Old 02-14-2013, 09:17 PM   #2
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You have many options just depends what you want and what kind of power you are looking for. FYI, stay away from the STS kit. Many here been having issues with it. You have 2 SC options RX and IPF. And 2 turbo options HPS and RX. You did your research so do you want brute power or gradual power?
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:13 PM   #3
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You have many options just depends what you want and what kind of power you are looking for. FYI, stay away from the STS kit. Many here been having issues with it. You have 2 SC options RX and IPF. And 2 turbo options HPS and RX. You did your research so do you want brute power or gradual power?
I am more of an Electrical guy so not to sure what you mean with Brute power
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Well the supercharger that both companies use is a centrifugal supercharger so that means that the power comes on as the RPMs climb. So you make more boost and power higher in the rpm range. Turbos will produce their boost as soon as they spool. So they produce a lot of their power lower in the RPM range and hold it all the way to redline. So it depends on what you like that will help you choose what you want.
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Old 02-14-2013, 10:29 PM   #5
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I am more of an Electrical guy so not to sure what you mean with Brute power
Down low. Torque. Builds like a beast from there. Roots-style blower (coming soon!), turbo set-up, both do this.

Centrifugal blower is sort of gradual and peaky. Hit 4500 rpm and it's game on.

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Old 02-14-2013, 10:49 PM   #6
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There you go Johnny and ls gave great examples. ^^^

Turbo systems are messy and require more maintenance than a SC to be honest. BUT to be even more honest hold out to see if a root style SC hits the streets soon. There is one in suppose development by RX. I would trade my TT's for a root system.
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Whats a root system SC?
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Old 02-14-2013, 11:14 PM   #8
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Well the supercharger that both companies use is a centrifugal supercharger so that means that the power comes on as the RPMs climb. So you make more boost and power higher in the rpm range. Turbos will produce their boost as soon as they spool. So they produce a lot of their power lower in the RPM range and hold it all the way to redline. So it depends on what you like that will help you choose what you want.
So why dont just people go with turbos if it produces alot of power on the low end of the RPM and it holds it?
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Whats a root system SC?
A roots supercharger is the type of supercharger that is mounted on top of the engine. Like you see with the kenne bell, magnuson, and whipple superchargers for the v8. The benefit to a roots over a centri is that they make a lot of torque down low so you get that instant torque feeling you don't get with a centri. I'd honestly love a good roots system. But after seeing a lot of the problems members have had with their kits and my car being a DD, I'd rather go with the proven system. Although I will say that if someone comes up with a proven and trouble free roots system, that's where my money will be going
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So why dont just people go with turbos if it produces alot of power on the low end of the RPM and it holds it?
Because turbos also require a lot more maintenance than a supercharger. And the tuning aspect just isn't completely ironed out yet for them.
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Because turbos also require a lot more maintenance than a supercharger. And the tuning aspect just isn't completely ironed out yet for them.
If the turbo is done correctly it doesn't require any extra maintenance.... I have two EcoBoost vehicles in my driveway, for a total of 3 turbos and I don't need any extra or special maintenance...

Actually if you go with certain supercharger models they have their own self contained oil system that has to be changed (extra maintenance).
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If the turbo is done correctly it doesn't require any extra maintenance.... I have two EcoBoost vehicles in my driveway, for a total of 3 turbos and I don't need any extra or special maintenance...

Actually if you go with certain supercharger models they have their own self contained oil system that has to be changed (extra maintenance).
This, I actually feel that my SC system may be more maintenance than a Turbo, but its ALL about the TUNE, and the turbo guys are still having problems there.
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If the turbo is done correctly it doesn't require any extra maintenance.... I have two EcoBoost vehicles in my driveway, for a total of 3 turbos and I don't need any extra or special maintenance...

Actually if you go with certain supercharger models they have their own self contained oil system that has to be changed (extra maintenance).
Yeah except those are factory turbos and I guarantee a ton more R&D dollars have been put into it than any of the V6 FI options. Now that's not to say that afternarket can't be as goid/reliable..

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Here is a video thread on some of the RX cars:

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This, I actually feel that my SC system may be more maintenance than a Turbo, but its ALL about the TUNE, and the turbo guys are still having problems there.
I haven't checked into the V6 tuning issues in awhile but once HP let us know they had support for the 2012's we were interested again in getting our TT kit on a car. Why is a 2012 turbo car any more problematic than a 2012 SC car in regards to tuning? Or is this more to do with the earlier model years?
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I haven't checked into the V6 tuning issues in awhile but once HP let us know they had support for the 2012's we were interested again in getting our TT kit on a car. Why is a 2012 turbo car any more problematic than a 2012 SC car in regards to tuning? Or is this more to do with the earlier model years?
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Everyone is still trying to figure out the throttle response in the tune.
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Everyone is still trying to figure out the throttle response in the tune.
I just asked HP if they were aware of any tune-related limitations/issues on the 2012 and he is going to ask around to make sure but nothing that he was aware of.
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I just asked HP if they were aware of any tune-related limitations/issues on the 2012 and he is going to ask around to make sure but nothing nothing that he was aware of.
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Sounds great!
I am waiting on an email back to have 100% confirmation but so-far-so-good. Just don't want to get into another tuning "Road-block" on getting this TT Kit on a car. Hopefully it will go just like all the V8 cars do and it will start/finish in a few hours and make great power
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I am waiting on an email back to have 100% confirmation but so-far-so-good. Just don't want to get into another tuning "Road-block" on getting this TT Kit on a car. Hopefully it will go just like all the V8 cars do and it will start/finish in a few hours and make great power
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Yeah except those are factory turbos and I guarantee a ton more R&D dollars have been put into it than any of the V6 FI options. Now that's not to say that afternarket can't be as goid/reliable..

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Yep.. but what I really meant was a properly done turbo shouldn't require more maintenance... including aftermarket ones... lscamaro was kind of speaking in generalities, not just V6 Camaros... or at least that's the way I took it..

That being said, i doubt I will ever do aftermarket FI again... detuned factory FI is the way to go... just add a tune!
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You'll just go through the rear tires faster then if you were just na.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:28 PM   #24
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Superchargers are parasitic and steal power to make power. Turbos make power out of waste (exhaust) so they're inherently more efficient. Outside of drag racing you never see a supercharger on a race car.
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Just wanted to give my .02 cents. Rode with sycraft and his IPF S/C v6 last night and I have to say Holy $hit does it move. It had so much torque and WILL snap your head back. The drivability was awesome too. This kit to me seems like a mature kit and if I went FI I would get this kit, no doubt.

Thanks again Sycraft, mad props to you and that Beast
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