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Old 02-15-2013, 07:22 PM   #1
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O2 Sensor Simulator/Fooler

Anyone using off road mid pipes with O2 Simulators?

I'm wanting to add off road mid pipes to my cat back when it gets here, but I do not want to tune yet because of my warranty.

I've read about o2 simulators and how they fool the system into thinking the Cats are there and working properly.

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Anyone using them?
Do they work?
Which sensors do you put the simulators on, the rear o2 sensor or front o2 sensors?
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Anyone using off road mid pipes with O2 Simulators?

I'm wanting to add off road mid pipes to my cat back when it gets here, but I do not want to tune yet because of my warranty.

I've read about o2 simulators and how they fool the system into thinking the Cats are there and working properly.

My questions are,

Anyone using them?
Do they work?
Which sensors do you put the simulators on, the rear o2 sensor or front o2 sensors?
I think Casper Electronics got busted for selling these but you may be able to find a DIY using the correct resistance. Or you could try the SOLO O2 extenders instead.

They go on the rear sensors.
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I think Casper Electronics got busted for selling these but you may be able to find a DIY using the correct resistance. Or you could try the SOLO O2 extenders instead.

They go on the rear sensors.


That or have the rear O2 sensors tuned out.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:36 PM   #4
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I think Casper Electronics got busted for selling these but you may be able to find a DIY using the correct resistance. Or you could try the SOLO O2 extenders instead.

They go on the rear sensors.
Thanks for the info, I read online that the distribution of O2 Simulators/foolers was banned in the US since their main purpose is to get rid of emissions equipment. I'll need to read up on how to make resistance for them.

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That or have the rear O2 sensors tuned out.
I want to stay away from tuning to keep my warranty
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:56 PM   #5
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Well I found a simulator that has 3 different sizes of openings to choose from. Bought two of them. So once I get the off road pipes and install them and install the simulators I'll let yall know how it goes and if it works properly
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Well I found a simulator that has 3 different sizes of openings to choose from. Bought two of them. So once I get the off road pipes and install them and install the simulators I'll let yall know how it goes and if it works properly
Good luck. Unlike extenders, simulators have a tendency to burn up and naturally fail. If this turns out to be the case I'd give the SOLO extenders a try if you are still dead set against tuning and having them "disabled".
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Good luck. Unlike extenders, simulators have a tendency to burn up and naturally fail. If this turns out to be the case I'd give the SOLO extenders a try if you are still dead set against tuning and having them "disabled".
I hear ya. Though how would the simulator burn up? It's all metal?
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Old 02-15-2013, 08:58 PM   #8
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This is what I bought

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Only need two sensor simulators right? Only the two down range of the cat, the upper tow are fine correct?
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Good luck. Unlike extenders, simulators have a tendency to burn up and naturally fail. If this turns out to be the case I'd give the SOLO extenders a try if you are still dead set against tuning and having them "disabled".
Ummm...all of the sims that I have installed on my Mustangs were inline wiring harnesses. The original sensors were still used. There wasn't anything to "burn up". I doubt that the Camaro would be any different, but I guess it's possible.

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Ummm...all of the sims that I have installed on my Mustangs were inline wiring harnesses. The original sensors were still used. There wasn't anything to "burn up". I doubt that the Camaro would be any different, but I guess it's possible.

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Ones in series with the original electrical connectors would definitely not be prone to burning up.

I think some are confusing a simulator (electrical component) with the extender (mechanical) that simply moves the O2 sensor far enough out of the air stream so as not to trigger a code.

Yes you need two of whatever you chose for each of the rear sensors.
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Yes that is an extender but I see they are calling it a simulator. It is nice that there are different size jets so you can try different sizes until you get the one that prevents the code.
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Yes that is an extender but I see they are calling it a simulator. It is nice that there are different size jets so you can try different sizes until you get the one that prevents the code.
Okay, I understand what you mean by extender now.

Yeah the ones I bought were expensive but they were the only ones that had different sized jets.

Thanks for your help by the way indeedSS
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Okay, I understand what you mean by extender now.

Yeah the ones I bought were expensive but they were the only ones that had different sized jets.

Thanks for your help by the way indeedSS
You are welcome. Definitely let everyone know if this works with headers and off-road pipes. I'm not entirely sure I've seen anyone with a new Camaro go this route...yet. People have asked but I think most just have the codes tuned out. Good luck
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You are welcome. Definitely let everyone know if this works with headers and off-road pipes. I'm not entirely sure I've seen anyone with a new Camaro go this route...yet. People have asked but I think most just have the codes tuned out. Good luck
Thanks. I'm just hoping it works.

I'm waiting for my catback to get here, from Juiced Motorsports. I can't wait!!
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I have a pair of the extenders that came with my obx headers. I didn't use them because I was getting a tune just a few days later. But if what you got doesn't work you are welcome to try these.
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Also mine have fixed "jets" and appear to almost match the smallest size from what you bought
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Also mine have fixed "jets" and appear to almost match the smallest size from what you bought
Thanks man, yeah I'm gonna try the smallest jets at first and see what happens.
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Please keep us posted if the extenders worked for you - I have a 2012 SS Vert 45th Edition that I added BBK Long Tube Headers with the high performance Cats and I'm throwing errors. I looked at the extenders and because I have a steel mounting plate right across from the rear O2 sensors they will not allow me to install the plugs unless I turn the cats downward towards the ground a bit which would risk the ground clearance on the O2 sensors. I failed Emmisions so looking to do the Tune option now - Just ran out of Inspection and State refused to give me a exception. :(
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Yes the Extenders work. Ive put over 300 mile son my car since the off road pipes were installed and I have yet to get a CEL. I bought a tuner from JRE though as the AFM on my car makes a really annoying vibration at low speeds when the AFM kicks on.


In short, they do work
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Thx for the feedback - Enjoy the new sound
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Thx for the feedback - Enjoy the new sound
Yeah the stock exhaust without cats is like a sleeper exhaust. At idle and cruising down the road you don't even notice it, but when you get on the throttle it opens up big time.

I just can't wait to get the JBA cat back tomorrow and get my tuner Wednesday to turn AFM off
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You can also use long spark plug antifoulers. 4 bucks, used them on my ridiculously modified 04 STi and never ever had a problem. Drill out the end with 1/4 drill bit and ur good to go.
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Spark plug antifoulers worked for me with my long tube headers and off road pipes. No CEL.
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