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Old 02-05-2008, 10:14 AM   #1
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How much is not enough?

Is there a minimum horsepower/torque requirement for this car to be ideal for you? Will this be a factor for your purchase? How much would you pay for this power?

I must admit, power will be a big factor for me in purchasing this car. I am hoping to be in a position to be able to afford the top-dog model, regardless of being an SS or Z28 (although I am partial to Z28 .) Regardless, I think it would be great to see between 450 and 500 horse, but I'm not sure how practical it is, given all the speculation regarding CAFE and whatnot. I'm not saying I wouldn't purchase the car if it had less, but I would admit in being a little disappointed. I think that something reasonable would be a range of what the Shelby is priced at.

What do you think?
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:23 AM   #2
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I'm planning to get a v8 model, but probably not the 'Top Dog' (whichever model that is... although I'm also partial to a Z/28 ). Anything less than about 375hp would be disappointing, and anything below 350hp might be a dealbreaker.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:58 AM   #3
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Depends on how much this baby weighs. You can get 450-500HP but if the car weighs 4000 punds (wink wink GT500) you might get good performance but in my opinion that is a waste of ALOT of HP.

My dream, is that they build the Camaro and keep it under 3500 pounds and with that weight I'd be happy with 350HP to be honest (for the Z28 version). With that said, since the G8 has about 363HP I guesstamate the new Camaro will come in with 370HP for the V8 version. The V6 maybe 270HP and the top dog SS 450-500HP. You know they will aim to beat the V6, GT, and GT500 Mustang so use that as your ruler.

Thinking about it, as long as they match the Mustang GT (which is enough performance for me, and I can tinker for more later) performance I'd be happy. So again, what ever weight to power ratio that comes to I'd be fine.
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Old 02-05-2008, 10:59 AM   #4
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I'm planning to get a v8 model, but probably not the 'Top Dog' (whichever model that is... although I'm also partial to a Z/28 ). Anything less than about 375hp would be disappointing, and anything below 350hp might be a dealbreaker.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:01 AM   #5
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Top dog for my money no less than 420 on both trq. and hp.. If they happen to supercharge it I need it to be above 525 hp. and trq could be a little less.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:31 AM   #6
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It has to perform better than the 4th gen. Not by much - but there has to be a noticeable difference. Other than that, I couldn't care less how much hp/torque it has. So long as the performance is there, I'm all set.
(Oh, I'm not looking for this "Top Dog" either. A normal, everyday V8 would be fine.)
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Old 02-05-2008, 12:14 PM   #7
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I want the standard V8 and I'm hoping for around 400. 350 or below would be a huge huge let-down.
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Old 02-05-2008, 12:45 PM   #8
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I think that 500 hp is a good round number,and it wouldnt be stepping on anybodys toes..(z06=505,zr1=620,cts-v=550,)
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:15 PM   #9
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Looking to get the base V8 engine model..... I would want it to be close to 400HP.... BUT, like everyone else said.... the minimum for me would be 350....and I have no doubt that with the Mustang GT bulitt pushing close to i think it is 330 (dont quote me).... that the Camaro will push atleast 360-380.... with weight around 3400-3700 pounds.... which for me is good to go....

if it doesnt... then well if I really like how it looks asthetically will decide for me whether I get the car or not.... if not, back to the Audi's it is for me, lol!
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I bring this up because I'm a little resentful in that the 4th Gen. was underated so much (not that that was a bad thing.) Considering the "310" horsepower from a Z28, a lot of the cars were putting 310 to the wheels on the dyno. With a lid, catback, MACs, and crappy "canned tune," my car was putting down 334 at the wheels. With LTs and a dyno tune, I got 360+ wheel power. That amounts to dang near 400 flywheel horsepower, which is what the LS2 was rated at. My point is, that I think that the way GM reported LS1 power was grossly underrated and that I suspect that isn't going to be the case (for whatever reason.) Considering this, if my LS1, with bolt-ons, makes near 400 flywheel horsepower, I would think a Gen IV or Gen V engine should easily make 10-20% more power (albeit stock.) Since these engines are going to be more efficient, I would expect we get more power.

I guess I just have high expectations.
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:35 PM   #11
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if it doesnt... then well if I really like how it looks asthetically will decide for me whether I get the car or not.... if not, back to the Audi's it is for me, lol!
Either way...you are in good company, MAN I LOVE THAT LITTLE A4!!! LOL
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Old 02-05-2008, 01:51 PM   #12
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Either way...you are in good company, MAN I LOVE THAT LITTLE A4!!! LOL
yah its a nice car.... i got my eyes set on the new A5/S5 if i dont get the Camaro... given I will have to save more and finance.... but im okay with that, lol.
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peak power numbers are almost irrelevant because they don't take into account weight, power curves, traction, gearing, etc. So my minimum numbers are real performance. I'm looking for at least low 5 seconds 0-60, preferably in the 4s and low 12s in the quarter. Handling is also harder to objectively measure so I'll just have to read the reviews and see what they say.
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:25 PM   #14
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I think 400 is starting to become common place. GM knowsw most people are just looking at HP not weight or the HP/Weight ratio so I think GM will want to have 400 HP in the main V8 version, not the limeted production GT500 killer
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Old 02-05-2008, 02:41 PM   #15
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I think the camaro will debute with a 420+ hp engine. If you remember bob lutz said "we have the zo6 engine waiting in the back if needed" with that said the zo6 is producing 500hp which i think will come out as a Z/28 model. And the SS model will be the 420+hp model. thats my theory on it b/c if dodge release a challenger with 425hp i know chevy has to always out due its competiors **hint hint** zo6 beats viper. viper comes out with a faster version....now the ZR-1 hmmmmm. In conclusion Camaro debutes with a 420+hp engine in my point of view
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Old 02-05-2008, 03:03 PM   #16
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peak power numbers are almost irrelevant because they don't take into account weight, power curves, traction, gearing, etc. So my minimum numbers are real performance. I'm looking for at least low 5 seconds 0-60, preferably in the 4s and low 12s in the quarter. Handling is also harder to objectively measure so I'll just have to read the reviews and see what they say.
I agree; I didn't make myself too clear. I was assuming the car to be close to the weight of a Shelby. My bad.
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:10 PM   #17
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yah its a nice car.... i got my eyes set on the new A5/S5 if i dont get the Camaro... given I will have to save more and finance.... but im okay with that, lol.
Yeah, the A5 is also super nice...Audi in general just kicks butt with looks and interior's also. But, the one car that disappoints a bit is the A6.




On topic, exactly like I said...weight to power is what matters and high 300's up to low 500 is most likely what we will see for V8 versions.
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:59 PM   #18
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A base V8 with more than 10.5 lbs/hp isn't enough. That translates into needing something with a bare minimum of 340 hp
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i want atleast 430hp from the ls3 and if im getting a s/c ls3 i want 500+. and i will drop 40 for a fully loaded ls3 and 50 for the loaded s/c version.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:15 PM   #20
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I will be really disappointed if it doesn't have 400hp, but as long as I'll have a V8 in it I will be happy. I can always do some upgrades to get the horsepower I want out of it.
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Finally began saving for it. I'm going to try to get the top of the line V8 if possible. If financially its not do-able, then I will have to get the base V8. As long as it out performs my 4th gen Z28 I'll be glad I made the switch.. If it doesn't feel like it during the test drive.. then meh...... but then again my Z-28 is pretty fast with all the mods I got on it.. Just compared to a stock Z-28 4th gen Camaro is what I'll go by.
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Old 02-06-2008, 10:26 AM   #22
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I need to start saving myself. I hope it'll be way faster
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I only need 3 keystrokes to say what i really want out of the mainstream v8

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as for the gt500 killer, im not too interested in the "top dog", i do think having around 500-550 horses is a good amount for that trim level though---detuned LS9 might be a good choice
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there is no way the new camaro will have less than 400hp, heck the new pontiac g8 has 360hp 6.0L and it is a 4 door family car
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