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Old 02-21-2013, 10:29 PM   #26
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I went to the Subaru Canada web site to build one of these cars for the sake of interest.

By the looks of it they don’t come cheap. I figure the price tag after taxes is around $51000.00. There are a lot nicer cars out there for that price; also I don’t think Subaru has a warranty for track use if something breaks on the car.

Here is a copy of some of the engine specs.

Engine: 2.5L Dual Overhead Cam (DOHC), 16-valve, horizontally opposed, 4-cylinder SUBARU BOXER high-performance engine with high-pressure turbocharger and high-capacity intercooler, Electronic Throttle Control and Dual Active Valve Control System
Power: 305 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 290 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm

The curb weight for this car was about 2800 lbs

It would be interesting to see how long this engine lasts before it blows up.
Engine wont blow up any time soon, Subi's run forever. And A 2010 STI weighs about 3360 lbs, unless this car isnt stock but either way they are great cars.
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I went to the Subaru Canada web site to build one of these cars for the sake of interest.

By the looks of it they donít come cheap. I figure the price tag after taxes is around $51000.00. There are a lot nicer cars out there for that price; also I donít think Subaru has a warranty for track use if something breaks on the car.

Here is a copy of some of the engine specs.

Engine: 2.5L Dual Overhead Cam (DOHC), 16-valve, horizontally opposed, 4-cylinder SUBARU BOXER high-performance engine with high-pressure turbocharger and high-capacity intercooler, Electronic Throttle Control and Dual Active Valve Control System
Power: 305 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 290 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm

The curb weight for this car was about 2800 lbs

It would be interesting to see how long this engine lasts before it blows up.
Those little suckers do last a long time
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:19 PM   #28
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The STi in the video is not stock. It was a Subaru prototype:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2002584
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:20 PM   #29
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Good video comparison. Amazing how close the sti stays until the longer straights where the ZL1 pulls away... like it should.

The STI is $15,000 cheaper than a ZL1 and obviously outgunned. And the motor in the STI won't blow up any time soon. Subaru's are extremely well engineered cars and their boxers are bullett proof. They have a very strong racing pedigree and it shows.

Yes, most people would take a ZL1 over an STI, it's $15,000 more car. But the guys driving STIs are in the Camaro SS price range. The STI is a much better all around performer than an SS without the 1LE package.

Been a Camaro guy my whole life but I can't help but respect the Subarus. They are mean little buggars.
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Old 02-21-2013, 11:57 PM   #30
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What is the best time for the ZL1 on the ring?
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:04 AM   #31
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What is the best time for the ZL1 on the ring?
2012 ZL1 Nurburgring 7:41;27
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Old 02-22-2013, 12:07 AM   #32
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I wouldn't say these two are directly comparable... not stock anyway's, the STI is a great car. I am not sure where the guy above me got 51k but in America a WRX STI cost like 34k before any options. Great price, great car.
First five words in his post 'I went to Subaru Canada' Everything is so overpriced up here. Such a freaking scam. You would think that the camaros being built in canada give us a break. But no the add 10k dealership tax.
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The STi in the video is not stock. It was a Subaru prototype:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2002584
well that sums it up. upgraded turbo, braking, etc. I though 7:55 seemed faster than it should be even with the high caliber driver.
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You guys are not very educated on subarus. An sti is an animal. Rally car bred and freaking stout when it comes to durability. $34k gets u one. Stock vs an ss...out handles circles around an ss. Straight line...nod to the ss though. You throw 1200 at the Subie though...things get interesting.
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I love watching these Nurburgring videos! Has Ford released any on their Boss 302 or the Laguna Seca?
I've looked, but...there is nothing to be found. I think they are hiding. Other courses they get brake fade after a lap or two. This is a long track. It wouldn't surprise me if they started getting brake fade halfway into the course.
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You guys are not very educated on subarus. An sti is an animal. Rally car bred and freaking stout when it comes to durability. $34k gets u one. Stock vs an ss...out handles circles around an ss. Straight line...nod to the ss though. You throw 1200 at the Subie though...things get interesting.
I had a 2006 sti, I know.
One of my best friends has an STI. Damn thing is quick. If I was to get any other car besides the ZL1, might be that or an Audi S6.

On one hand, I love the Camaro. On the other, up here in the Pacific Northwest, it'd be nice to have AWD for some parts of the year.
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At the time that video was done the sti was knocking on the gtr's lap time and right at the ctsv. Granted that is the 205 sti via Japan driven by tommy mackinen I think.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:29 AM   #39
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Not a big surprise the ZL1 would win, it does have almost double the HP
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The newer STi's are known for blowing up the 2.5 motors. I think the older one's not so much.
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That Subaru runs better than I expected. Great video!
I was impressed by the Subaru as well! with that much HP difference the Subaru didn't do bad at all...
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One of my best friends has an STI. Damn thing is quick. If I was to get any other car besides the ZL1, might be that or an Audi S6.

On one hand, I love the Camaro. On the other, up here in the Pacific Northwest, it'd be nice to have AWD for some parts of the year.

I also looked at the STI and A6. I still like both cars even though I own a ZL1.
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Acutally, I would love to have a WRX for a daily if I could make it work. STI is a little too much beat you to death/weekend race car IMO.
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OK, never expected this to become a front page link...
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You guys are not very educated on subarus. An sti is an animal. Rally car bred and freaking stout when it comes to durability. $34k gets u one. Stock vs an ss...out handles circles around an ss. Straight line...nod to the ss though. You throw 1200 at the Subie though...things get interesting.
I had a 2006 sti, I know.
I don't agree with you and neither does most track reviews. I f you need I can point you to track times real quick...
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STi's are cool cars. I owned an 04 STI and it handled great in the twisties.

With only 305hp, a stock STi would never stand a chance against most cars (1LE, ZL1, etc) on a track such as the Nurburgring.

Today, I read an article about how the Subaru is going back to the 2.0 Turbo (vs. 2.5 turbo currently used).
The WRX should have close to 300 hp in the near future. Not sure what kind of HP the STi will end up with.
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I was impressed by the Subaru as well! with that much HP difference the Subaru didn't do bad at all...
Does anybody actually know what the HP of that prototype car was?
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Does anybody actually know what the HP of that prototype car was?
Subaru said that it was making 320hp.

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QUOTED FROM ''http://www.caranddriver.com/features...ing-lap-record''

The stickler is that the Subaru in question wasn’t a production car. It was, in the words of the company, a 2011 Impreza WRX STI prototype. The car is basically the bastard child of two JDM-only models with some extra bespoke aero bits thrown in for slipperiness and high-speed stability.

The car starts with the suspension from the improved-for-2011 WRX STI—it’s 5 mm lower than the 2010 model, with 1-mm-thicker front and rear anti-roll bars, higher-rate springs all around, stiffer rear-subframe bushings, and new front-suspension pillow-ball bushings. The engine is the Japanese-market STI spec.c’s, a 2.0-liter turbocharged boxer-four that’s been given the larger turbo from the R205, another Japanese special-edition STI model. It’s now putting out a claimed 320 hp.

The R205 also donates six-piston front brakes and a front strut-tower brace; it features a flexible center portion that allows vertical motion but maintains lateral stiffness. Weight is saved through the use of an aluminum hood from the spec.c, unique aluminum front fenders, the spec.c’s smaller battery, and the deletion of the radio as in the R205 and spec.c.

Extra aero parts specific to this car include a full undertray, a front-lip extension tacked onto the R205’s lower spoiler, and a Gurney flap added—taped, really—to the rear at Mškinen’s request. (The car was getting a bit out of shape without it in the high-speed sections.) A full roll cage and race buckets fitted with a five-point harness for the driver and a four-point for the passenger make things safe.
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