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Old 02-24-2013, 04:07 AM   #69
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I personally have owned two subarus... a 2005 WRX STi (500whp) and a 2011 WRX (330whp)...

I actually traded in my 05 STi to get the camaro. I do think this video is a little silly as they are comparing a $36,000 car vs the ZL1 at around $55,000. But still the camaro is no slouch, even the SS version.

The biggest thing about the STi's are that they make them so tight and stiff you really feel like you are going faster then you really are. And it involves a lot more attention when racing them because of how tight everything is. The camaro does require more effort at times due to the wait though. I wish i coulda raced my 05 STi against my Camaro now. Woulda been a good race.

But The STi's and WRX's are know to have issues with their engines. they even state in the warranty that they allow one engine replacement within 3 years or 36 months. It is very common for their rings to fail.

I beat the crap out of every car i drive. Shoot, thats what they are for... and out of all the cars i have owned, The camaro takes it better than anything i have had in the past. And thats a total of 20 cars.
I was going to make a comment that the STI might feel faster then it really is, however I have no personal experience with them at all.
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:38 AM   #70
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I was going to make a comment that the STI might feel faster then it really is, however I have no personal experience with them at all.
Yea...that wing makes you feel like you're doing 100 all the time.
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:28 AM   #71
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I was going to make a comment that the STI might feel faster then it really is, however I have no personal experience with them at all.
yup, you have the right idea. A lot lighter car, very stiff suspension, very little sound dampening material. All really contributes to it.





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Yea...that wing makes you feel like you're doing 100 all the time.
First thing I did with my STi was take that horrible thing off.

sent from my galaxy s3. that would explain the errors.
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Old 02-24-2013, 09:49 AM   #72
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The newer STi's are known for blowing up the 2.5 motors. I think the older one's not so much.
True, but not when the motor is stock or lightly modded (stage 2). They are more likely to have issues than the older ones with extremely high boost, like 20+ psi.
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Old 02-24-2013, 11:45 AM   #73
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ZL1. Best American car built in 60 years. Period. Since when does a Subaru even compare to a ZL1? Any Camaro for that matter? Uh, let's see, how many ZL1 owners even thought of buying any Subaru? ZIP. Why it's here is the exact reason this site has lost so much credibility. Most people I ask anymore say they don't bother. Example why? Hmmm
Are you 16 years old? Maybe another possible explanation behind the "lack of credibility" is the sheep hearding that's taken place with people like yourself.

Yes the ZL1 is a nice car, does an exceptional job handling it's weight and mass around a road course, and is evidently easier to drive than a car that has never staked any claim to being easy to drive, but heaven forbid anyone attempt to compare it to something as lowly as a prototype Subaru.

It's apparent you find it insulting that anyone would mention the two together. Guess what, after your done stroking your ego, you're welcome to return to the automtive enthusiasts reality where any car, given the chance, can be appreciated.

Best car in the last 60 years, period.... Give me a break.
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Are you 16 years old? Maybe another possible explanation behind the "lack of credibility" is the sheep hearding that's taken place with people like yourself.

Yes the ZL1 is a nice car, does an exceptional job handling it's weight and mass around a road course, and is evidently easier to drive than a car that has never staked any claim to being easy to drive, but heaven forbid anyone attempt to compare it to something as lowly as a prototype Subaru.

It's apparent you find it insulting that anyone would mention the two together. Guess what, after your done stroking your ego, you're welcome to return to the automtive enthusiasts reality where any car, given the chance, can be appreciated.

Best car in the last 60 years, period.... Give me a break.
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So anyone else notice the Subaru nailing a squirrel or something at the 6:45 lap time mark?
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Old 02-24-2013, 10:53 PM   #76
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good impressive video. Looks like the ZL1 cruised that course.
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Old 02-24-2013, 11:01 PM   #77
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Are you 16 years old? Maybe another possible explanation behind the "lack of credibility" is the sheep hearding that's taken place with people like yourself.

Yes the ZL1 is a nice car, does an exceptional job handling it's weight and mass around a road course, and is evidently easier to drive than a car that has never staked any claim to being easy to drive, but heaven forbid anyone attempt to compare it to something as lowly as a prototype Subaru.

It's apparent you find it insulting that anyone would mention the two together. Guess what, after your done stroking your ego, you're welcome to return to the automtive enthusiasts reality where any car, given the chance, can be appreciated.

Best car in the last 60 years, period.... Give me a break.
I hate agreeing with Mustang drivers.

I wouldn't be quite as harsh, but I would point out that there have been some great cars in that timeframe. Debating the best of them would require a quantification and qualification of styling, handling, reliability, performance, sound, materials, and manufacturing, and that would be a long debate.
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Man people get so pissed so easily...its fun to watch these comparisons. Atleast we all have something better than a 4 Cylinder Camry that we can choose to drive and enjoy. Yes the Camaro looked like it was just cruising along while Makinen(sp) was getting an aerobic workout.
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Are you 16 years old? Maybe another possible explanation behind the "lack of credibility" is the sheep hearding that's taken place with people like yourself.

Yes the ZL1 is a nice car, does an exceptional job handling it's weight and mass around a road course, and is evidently easier to drive than a car that has never staked any claim to being easy to drive, but heaven forbid anyone attempt to compare it to something as lowly as a prototype Subaru.

It's apparent you find it insulting that anyone would mention the two together. Guess what, after your done stroking your ego, you're welcome to return to the automtive enthusiasts reality where any car, given the chance, can be appreciated.

Best car in the last 60 years, period.... Give me a break.
I wonder if the stock Shelby GT500 can make it all the way around the Nurburgring before getting brake fade.

I'm dying to see what the stock Shelby GT500 can accomplish there...aren't you? When is some proud owner going to post a video? Or Ford. Or...anyone?

You know the problem with only having comparison videos with a Subaru? It's because we can't get our closest rival to even show up at the track. Frankly, I wouldn't mind having some comparison videos with other cars like the ZR1 and other cars better & worse.

Mostly, I want to see what the Shelby can do there. Ford...make it happen!
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Nice video. Just happy seeing the Camaro get respect across the auto industry. It would have been nicer to see SS/1LE against this car but on another note...


I think they need to do something for the V6 guys... is the 1LE package available for them at all? Just a thought.
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Old 02-25-2013, 11:52 AM   #81
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Good video comparison. Amazing how close the sti stays until the longer straights where the ZL1 pulls away... like it should.

The STI is $15,000 cheaper than a ZL1 and obviously outgunned. And the motor in the STI won't blow up any time soon. Subaru's are extremely well engineered cars and their boxers are bullett proof. They have a very strong racing pedigree and it shows.

Yes, most people would take a ZL1 over an STI, it's $15,000 more car. But the guys driving STIs are in the Camaro SS price range. The STI is a much better all around performer than an SS without the 1LE package.

Been a Camaro guy my whole life but I can't help but respect the Subarus. They are mean little buggars.


I personally had an STI prior to getting my SS and I truely miss the handling and the all wheel drive experience. I had about 10k in upgrades so going from the STI to the SS was a bit of a downgrade in regards to overall performance but the Camaro is an amazing car. I am sure if I could afford to spend 10k on the SS, it would be a sick car.
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Old 02-25-2013, 01:27 PM   #83
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I went to the Subaru Canada web site to build one of these cars for the sake of interest.

By the looks of it they donít come cheap. I figure the price tag after taxes is around $51000.00. There are a lot nicer cars out there for that price; also I donít think Subaru has a warranty for track use if something breaks on the car.

Here is a copy of some of the engine specs.

Engine: 2.5L Dual Overhead Cam (DOHC), 16-valve, horizontally opposed, 4-cylinder SUBARU BOXER high-performance engine with high-pressure turbocharger and high-capacity intercooler, Electronic Throttle Control and Dual Active Valve Control System
Power: 305 hp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 290 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm

The curb weight for this car was about 2800 lbs

It would be interesting to see how long this engine lasts before it blows up.
The STI motors run for a long time - that's a stout block.
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I wonder if the stock Shelby GT500 can make it all the way around the Nurburgring before getting brake fade.

I'm dying to see what the stock Shelby GT500 can accomplish there...aren't you? When is some proud owner going to post a video? Or Ford. Or...anyone?

You know the problem with only having comparison videos with a Subaru? It's because we can't get our closest rival to even show up at the track. Frankly, I wouldn't mind having some comparison videos with other cars like the ZR1 and other cars better & worse.

Mostly, I want to see what the Shelby can do there. Ford...make it happen!
I'm not personally invested in what it would run there as I opted for a car without any additional goodies other than the Recaro option.

Having said that, it would be interesting to see a PP/TP equipped '13 run a few laps with a competent driver and favorable weather conditions. I'm not familiar enough with the circuit to know what it favors/weaknesses it points out in the overall performance of a car, but I seriously doubt it would have any issue completing a wide open lap on the stock brakes/fluid.

I'm sure we're all aware of the difference between brake fade and brake failure. I personally think the Gt500 would be exceptionally close (if not eel out a victory) in the timed lap...

Of course that's nothing but my opinion, which carries as much weight as poo soaked toilet paper, especially in a forum with an ever so slight focus on the Camaro over the Mustang

Until then though I'll enjoy a healthy dose of competition and trash talking, and continue to laugh at the blind fanboism on both sides of the fence.
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I wonder if the stock Shelby GT500 can make it all the way around the Nurburgring before getting brake fade.

I'm dying to see what the stock Shelby GT500 can accomplish there...aren't you? When is some proud owner going to post a video? Or Ford. Or...anyone?

You know the problem with only having comparison videos with a Subaru? It's because we can't get our closest rival to even show up at the track. Frankly, I wouldn't mind having some comparison videos with other cars like the ZR1 and other cars better & worse.

Mostly, I want to see what the Shelby can do there. Ford...make it happen!
Exactly. And Ford was there more than once in the months leading up to the GT500 release. There can be no other explanation other than the times weren't impressive. That's the most logical reason.
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