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Old 02-19-2013, 11:45 PM   #1
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Long tubes?

I'm looking to get a set of long tubes and I've been looking at bbk because for one they are much cheaper than say kooks. I'm not going to run cats and it will have a 3in magnaflow cat back. How do the bbk headers compare to kooks or American racing performance wise? I will be on nitrous as well
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:27 AM   #2
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Don't cheap out on the Headers.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:28 AM   #3
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:33 AM   #4
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nothing wrong with bbk. there within your budget, and they work! lol and your going to get pretty much the same results then the $1500 headers soooo
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As long as they are 17/8 you're good i had 1 3/4 and the performance difference is pretty noticeable
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:53 AM   #7
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Ive had them on my Camaro for a while. They are 1 3/4. As far as performance I dont think you leave a bunch on the table between the 1 3/4 or the 1 7/8. Someone did a comparison a while back and there was only a few hp difference between the 2.
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Old 02-20-2013, 09:56 AM   #8
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For me.it was more throttle response than anything else, and I've heard its a better supporting mod if you go 1 7/8. But 13/4 is def a good mod for the price!
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For me.it was more throttle response than anything else, and I've heard its a better supporting mod if you go 1 7/8. But 13/4 is def a good mod for the price!
I agree the price is hard to beat. Dont want to start a whole debate but they are made in the US. To some it matters to some it doesnt. I am going to the 1 7/8 due to future mods. But with NOS im not sure if performance will suffer with the smaller 1 3/4.

Someone else can chime in on the NOS performamce gains or loses with diferent primaries.

With the BBK Headers, BBK intake, x pipe, and tune I was at 383 rwhp. 342 bone stock.L99.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:06 AM   #10
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Yea that's the same reason i went with 7/8 since future mods will really benefit from the extra air

Here's the results ted at jre got from his comparison if you want to take a look at it o.p.
Stock Peak Numbers 373 RWHP 378 RWTQ Stock Average Numbers I will post tomorow Forgot to print them.

1.75 long tube headers w high flow cats Peak 401.1 HP 403.8 TQ 1.75 long tube headers w high flow cats Average 281.2 HP 363.9 TQ

1.875 long tube headers w high flow cats Peak 406.8 HP 407.5 TQ 1.875 long tube headers w high flow cats Average 283.7 HP 366.6 TQ

2.0 long tube headers w high flow cats Peak 411.7 HP 408.9 TQ 2.0 long tube headers w high flow cats Average 288.1 HP 368.1 TQ

The 1 3/4 Headers did Surprisingly well. The 1 7/8 Headers IMO are the best all around header. The 2.0 Headers are neck and neck with the 1 7/8 but Slightly stronger from 5000 to 6300
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The Dynatech Headers are Very good as well and cheaper than the kooks units and are stainless steel and come with all fittings and gaskets.
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Old 02-20-2013, 10:18 AM   #13
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Also check out Stainless Power 1 7/8( Stainless Works) . Stainless power is there over seas version. Comes with a warranty and is stainless steel. A few venders have them, Maryland Speed, I beleive has the best deal. $599 with free shipping. They include gaskets and other hardware. Others charge tax, shipping, and extra for O2 extentions.
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I have BBK long tubes and they are worth every penny. High quality for a good price. the 1 3/4 gets slightly better low end performance then the 1 7/8's but you give up a 2-3 peak hp. Nothing you would notice on anything but a dyno.
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1 3/4 long tubes have to be a major improvement over cast iron manifolds, especially with hi flow cats and if you retain the stock exhaust.
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The Dynatech Headers are Very good as well and cheaper than the kooks units and are stainless steel and come with all fittings and gaskets.
Dynatech are going on my ride as we speak. Recommended by Ted Jannetty.
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Old 02-20-2013, 11:34 AM   #17
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The gains between all sizes are minimal just plan accordingly for future mods imho anything is better than stock manifolds lol
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Old 02-20-2013, 11:40 AM   #18
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I guess I should add a couple things. I can spend the extra money for more expensive,bigger headers. But I want to do it right the first time. I'm planning on a 200 shot for now and eventually more than that. Sorry I should have specified how much nitrous. Also I'm going ahead with the more free flowing magnaflow 3in exhaust. So with those things what is best? Is it worth it to spend the extra money for the bigger primary's? I mean for 6 hp it's not worth it. But once you throw a 200 shot on it how will the 1 3/4 compare to 1 7/8?
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Think about it with a 200 shot your car needs to breathe properly so a good set of cai and lt headers is key imho opinion i would go 17/8. i always think safety first though, tsp 1 7/8 isn't that much different (price wise) than 13/4 from bbk so i would just invest on it now and not worry bout the hassles later!
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I guess I should add a couple things. I can spend the extra money for more expensive,bigger headers. But I want to do it right the first time. I'm planning on a 200 shot for now and eventually more than that. Sorry I should have specified how much nitrous. Also I'm going ahead with the more free flowing magnaflow 3in exhaust. So with those things what is best? Is it worth it to spend the extra money for the bigger primary's? I mean for 6 hp it's not worth it. But once you throw a 200 shot on it how will the 1 3/4 compare to 1 7/8?
We can hook you up with a great price on BBK or some KOOKS if you decide to go that route.

Personally I would go for the KOOKS. With you planning to run that 200 shot of nitrous, I would really shoot for the 1 7/8 primaries. With our gift card promo you can pick up a set of KOOKS for not a whole lot more than the 304 stainless headers from BBK. We also have the best prices out there on Magnaflow. Feel free to call, PM or email me anytime with questions or pricing.

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Nothing wrong with BBK headers. I have seen them put down just as much as an expensive brand header. I do run ARH but for other reasons.
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Old 02-20-2013, 12:32 PM   #22
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Think about it with a 200 shot your car needs to breathe properly so a good set of cai and lt headers is key imho opinion i would go 17/8. i always think safety first though, tsp 1 7/8 isn't that much different (price wise) than 13/4 from bbk so i would just invest on it now and not worry bout the hassles later!
I'm glad you mentioned cold air, this is totally off topic but how good are is the rotofab cold air?

And I will probably look into a set of 1 7/8 headers then.
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Im actually in the process of going from BBK 1 3/4(chrome) to Stainless Power 1 7/8. Got my Stainless Power headers in about an hour ago.
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I'm glad you mentioned cold air, this is totally off topic but how good are is the rotofab cold air?

And I will probably look into a set of 1 7/8 headers then.

I have a Roto-Fab and I love the design. A lot of people on these forums are biased towards Vararam and CAI intakes though.
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