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Old 03-26-2014, 04:30 PM   #1
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College athletes unionizing?

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http://t.foxsports.msn.com/college-f...s-can-unionize
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I think they deserve to be reimbursed, so let them unionize. Colleges make billions off those players.
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Old 03-26-2014, 06:37 PM   #3
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Then they could go on strike? Have lockouts? Pay them union dues? Have union reps? Collegiate political action committees? When would they have time for class?
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Then they could go on strike? Have lockouts? Pay them union dues? Have union reps? Collegiate political action committees? When would they have time for class?
Yes to all of the above. Regarding time for class.. that doesn't make much sense. Doubt it would change much in that respect.
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The scholarship is to attend the university not play football.
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:16 PM   #6
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Gotta love how they get to go to college for free because they're good at playing a game when others have to work their asses off just to pay for a semester.
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Old 03-26-2014, 07:19 PM   #7
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Gotta love how they get to go to college for free because they're good at playing a game when others have to work their asses off just to pay for a semester.
True, but think of all the hard work they put in developing those skills. Disclaimer: I'm one that worked their ass off (2 jobs to pay my way through college).
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I think they deserve to be reimbursed, so let them unionize. Colleges make billions off those players.
They do get reimbursed in the form of tuition, food, books, housing and all the other crap other students have to pay for.
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They do get reimbursed in the form of tuition, food, books, housing and all the other crap other students have to pay for.
Not to mention all of the preferential treatment and glorification they receive. Guess that's not enough.
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Not to mention all of the preferential treatment and glorification they receive. Guess that's not enough.
As a former college athlete, I can tell you first hand that those who are glorified are few and far between in the overall college athletics landscape. For every University of Georgia football player, there are 50 Quinnipiac University women's soccer players.

Playing a division 3 sport, I was swimming/doing swim team stuff for over 30 hours a week. Division 1 athletes (particularly for the big sports) are involved for well over 40 in many cases. Between mandatory study halls, class, training, etc. there is no way these people have time for a job to earn themselves spending money - it was tough to even make sure I could afford my beer for the weekend. There are plenty of things to pay for in college besides just tuition, books, and meals.

Some of these athletes bring in so much money for the school, the school should give some back.

For those saying it's unfair to "regular" students, at a lot of these schools that could afford to pay their athletes, it's the athletic department that is the schools greatest source of income after tuition revenue. All that money benefits all students on campus re: facilities (academic and athletic), faculty hiring/retention/development, etc.

Everyone benefits from these athletes endeavors, many of whom (athletes) don't have a monetary future in their sport anyways.
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Gotta love how they get to go to college for free because they're good at playing a game when others have to work their asses off just to pay for a semester.


while I agree the college's are making a ton off sports, they are really making it off the loyalty to that college, not the particular athlete's there.
so basically this is opening the door to athlete's going to school for free AND getting paid.

Everyone else pony up tens of thousands per year.
Oh and since the schools are making this much off of sports I think we need an investigation as to why tuition is going up and Up and UP.
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They do get reimbursed in the form of tuition, food, books, housing and all the other crap other students have to pay for.
No, definitely agree there. I don't think that reimbursment should come from the school. That money is theirs.

I'm only saying if a player is good enough for Nike, etc. to offer them a shoe sponsorship then then should be able to get paid.
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This is one of those catch 22 or damn if u do and damn if don't type of things. yes the schools make out a lot of money from some of the top student athletes in football and basketball and if they get reimbursed for play so will every other student who receives a scholarship who plays any sport even if it doesn't make the school a ton of money. I don't know the perfect answer to solve the issues but I was watching Crowd Goes wild on Fox sports 1 and one of the panelist said give the students a choice of Paid school or Pay to play the game and nothing else, Also one said that maybe they should get paid when they finally do graduate from said school after 4 years of playing also not all of the scholarship students end up in the Nfl or Nba making millions of dollars either.
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I also think that at the very least, college athletes should be provided medical insurance by the school.

I think they should receive a nominal stipend for additional expenses besides books/tuition/food ($1000/month school is in session?). Rhode's Scholars receive monthly stipends, so they must think it's a good idea, and I'm sure whoever runs that program is pretty smart...

I think they should be allowed to pursue outside sponsorships.
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I have seen some good points stated.
I like the insurance part. The schools are collecting a lot of money in tuition and sports revenue. Each school should have a group plan that covers every student attending, death to ACA.
Pay for Play or Tuition, pick one. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
4 year requirement. If you want a full-boat scholarship, you must commit to 4 years. Scouting, training, school costs a lot of money. The player must attend and play for the full 4 years. No more one and done. If they do leave early, they must have a non-compete.
If they get hurt, that would be covered by Disability insurance, paid for by the student athlete. If the athlete wants to be paid for play and can't play, it is their individual responsibility to plan for the potential of injury. Kinda like me at my job.
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This is why they shouldn't be paid a cent
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Until a college student enrolls in a school's Athletic Program and studies the sport and does nothing but train in that sport and is tested and graded on that sport as competently as any other student is when a professor examines his work, and is going to that school to get a degree in that sport, then absolutely not.

Until that time, they are going to that school to study the course they are enrolled in, which is not sports according to the school.

Don't like it? Then go straight to pro sports from highschool. Oh, that's really hard? Yeah, so is having any other career without a degree that helps you succeed professionally. Pro sports is hard and for a reason. College assists with the transition immensely, presents the college athlete to scouts and publicity to help build that pro career. It's bullshit that the college student that is going to turn pro is not getting huge assistance from the school. And the ones that can't be good enough to turn pro after college? This is just a cry to get a piece of the pie they are never going to see otherwise. There's many statements and stories about college athletes that turn in three or four barely literate sentences, get a passing grade on that final paper, and they are good to go. This idea is utter crap. These same guys are sometimes idolized and looked up to because they make great money,never mind the fact they can't speak intelligently about anything and have the money skills of a drunken sailor on payday. Our idols should not be functional illiterates.
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