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Old 02-25-2013, 05:01 PM   #1
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Is it worth it to sell my existing CAI for a vararam unit?

Is there a noticeable advantage over a insulated CAI vs a vrararam ram air intake at the 1/4 mile traps/times?

And I don't care about dyno numbers Ill sell my CAI setup right now if there's a decent increase in times.

Ive seen the comparison for dyno numbers on the stickies, but that just shows me that there is a increase over stock, but pretty consistent from one CAI to another as far as times are concerned from what I have seen/read.

Another reason being, my k&n keeps oiling up my maf making me idle ugly!
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:11 PM   #2
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I'm confused. What brand are you using? K&N or CAI?

If using K&N then yes personally I would get the Vararam. If you use the CAI then save your money as both perform so close you'll never notice the difference.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:15 PM   #3
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One thing is the K&N is over oiled. Ive never had one oil up my MAF on any one of my cars. They come over oiled from K&N even on purpose for evaporation while its on the shelf. I clean mine when they are new and reoil them properly, doesnt take much.
Two, I wouldnt worry with it. Once you get up into the larger name brand kits your splitting hairs. If you have a good intake keep it, if you dont just buy the one that looks the best to you among the better name brands.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:24 PM   #4
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Your splitting hairs. I don't think you see a noticeable difference between brands
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Vararam "tune" model! Ftw!!
You might find a used one in the classifieds. I'm sure you'll have better times! The dyno comparisons were just that on a dyno and not in the real world. Just my .2
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Vararam over K&N? probably not much 'butt dyno' difference.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:32 PM   #7
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Vararam "tune" model! Ftw!!
You might find a used one in the classifieds. I'm sure you'll have better times! The dyno comparisons were just that on a dyno and not in the real world. Just my .2
Correct, the tuners I know tell me you cant do a real good tune on a car with a OTR intake on the dyno. Has to be street tuned to finalize the driveability. Hard to create 60+mph winds on the dyno.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:33 PM   #8
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I'm confused. What brand are you using? K&N or CAI?

If using K&N then yes personally I would get the Vararam. If you use the CAI then save your money as both perform so close you'll never notice the difference.
its a CAI with a 4" k&n cone filter. Hope that helps.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:35 PM   #9
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Well mine is headed in for some serious work at Lethal.
I have the CAI Inc one right now and asked this same question.
he said add the scoop and the relocate and they are very very close..
and you can also add the Vararam Wedge and make up some of that as well.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:37 PM   #10
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Vararam "tune" model! Ftw!!
You might find a used one in the classifieds. I'm sure you'll have better times! The dyno comparisons were just that on a dyno and not in the real world. Just my .2
In theory, the ram air OTR is the wiser choice. The ls1 style FRA or the SSRA or chrs1313 showed 2mph without tuning on traps. If I can get some sort of reassurance that these indeed help you trap higher then I wouldnt mind buying one in a heartbeat.

BTW i dont think its splitting hairs if you want the best there is. However, if it really truly is nothing MPH wise then I wont bother. If there is it'll only be about 100-150 dollar difference after selling the old CAI, its basically brand new with the k&n cone filter i put on it.
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if you have a k and n sell it. if you have a cai inc get the scoop and washer relocate.
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http://www.vararam.com/power-wedge.html

add this to the CAI Inc one. as well as scoop and relocate..
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:52 PM   #13
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K&N < Vararam
Yes no comparison there.
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Old 02-25-2013, 05:56 PM   #14
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its a CAI with a 4" k&n cone filter. Hope that helps.
You will be fine with this setup.
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Old 02-25-2013, 06:24 PM   #15
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If you are talking about a CAI Inc. intake, then I would keep that one and add the scoop.
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I'm just not a fan of metal intakes, no matter how much they are coated its still gonna heat soak. The vararam will too but to a degree and will cool off way faster. Just my .2
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I've ran the CAI, Halltech, and Vararam. As long as you don't mind the tilted radiator and it being a bit more work to remove the filter, the Vararam is worth the swap IMO.
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Old 02-25-2013, 09:23 PM   #18
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i sure wouldnt trade a CAI inductions for a vararam, just install an apex supplemental air scoop
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Old 02-26-2013, 06:47 AM   #19
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i sure wouldnt trade a CAI inductions for a vararam, just install an apex supplemental air scoop
If you've not tried it, you don't know what you are missing...even with the scoop. Lethal Racing sure uses a lot of VRs in their Night Fury builds...and they've mentioned why.

Granted if your car is a garage queen and you don't drive enough to be in tune with it, then yes I wouldn't spend the money. Seems like only the hard core car enthusiasts really appreciate the trade-off of the VR's lack of build quality control for the performance aspect.
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i would ditch the k&N for sure
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:21 AM   #21
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This is not a CAI, inc Intake. It's metal, not plastic, and the washer bottle is still inside the intake area lol. I just replaced the filter while I was detailing the engine bay
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:35 AM   #22
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This is not a CAI, inc Intake. It's metal, not plastic, and the washer bottle is still inside the intake area lol. I just replaced the filter while I was detailing the engine bay
if you look in the classified section or send me a pm I listed a used vararam for sale.

But either way you need a sealed intake, whether its vararam or CAI's intake. That one you have is crap
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Old 02-26-2013, 08:37 AM   #23
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Does anyone know what brand that is by any chance? it just looks like a generic cold air intake. I thought it was either a spectre or a k&n, but i can not verify. Either way I want to sell it for a vararam unit. I got base times already with this intake on (with a dirty filter mind you) with a best of 12.69 on bald stock pzeros.

Idk about that power wedge, $100 bucks for a tilted spacer doesnt seem worth it to me. If someone has before and after results AT THE TRACK, then ill consider it. Otherwise Im not spending 100$ on a science experiment. Dyno numbers don't mean anything to me, especially from a vendor.

and btw, that powerwedge is a laughing stock over on other forums.
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If you've not tried it, you don't know what you are missing...even with the scoop. Lethal Racing sure uses a lot of VRs in their Night Fury builds...and they've mentioned why.

Granted if your car is a garage queen and you don't drive enough to be in tune with it, then yes I wouldn't spend the money. Seems like only the hard core car enthusiasts really appreciate the trade-off of the VR's lack of build quality control for the performance aspect.
That's funny,
as mine is headed there and Shawn flat told me not to change it. Said they were very very close.
he said add the scoop and the relocate and he still said to try to wedge as well even though some people think it's worthless.

but he says they have seen major gains on NF cars with it.

So I'm letting them put all that in and we will see how it does.
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its a CAI with a 4" k&n cone filter. Hope that helps.
Our CAI does not have K&N brand cone filter, we engineer our own line of filters and there are actually many differences between the 2. Take a look around, we have many 1/4 mile cars including a winner from last years LSX Shotout that runs our CAI because it offers superior gains as well as reduced heat soak and more consistent IAT's than many of our competitors. The HP numbers are close, and the whole "ram air" effect is something that if you dive deep into you will find is not really something that will effect your vehicle with the speeds you are running. That has been stated by more than one well respected tuner/speed shop on this forum time and time again. If you are going to tune, then the tune is where you are going to get the most differences that will effect your timeslip, not the CAI.

**EDIT, IT APPEARS YOU DEFINITELY DO NOT HAVE OUR CAI, IF YOU DO SELL THAT ONE GET OUR CAI WITH A SCOOP AND WASHER BOTTLE RELOCATION KIT, YOU WILL BE VERY HAPPY WITH THE DIFFERENCE, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ADD A TUNE ON TOP OF THAT!**
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