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Old 03-12-2013, 07:36 PM   #18
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Hey Stephen - do you just run the ATE Superblue DOT4 at all times? Seems to have a good added boiling point. Maybe it's a bit safer than the 5.1?
yes...it is in the car right now. The fluid has been great and I have run the ATE Super Blue in three vehicles with no issues. It makes it nice when bleeding the system too. It isn't that expensive either.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:12 PM   #19
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Ok my car will be back out of the shop in about a week with over 600RWHP. My car has the 21 inch rims but just purchased 18-10 Forgestar for the rear and 18-9 for the front. I have M/T for the rear and Nitto for the front to use at the drag strip.
What tires do you recommend for use on a roadcourse track?

Also only roadcourse time I have was at VIR. I did both levels of the Aerial Atom class. The last class was a hour on the track by myself in Atom.
Never had my Camaro on any type of track yet so I would be a rookie. Suggestions where to start to get experience?
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Sounds like FATT would be a good start. Any HPDE is going to be great. I enjoyed my time at Summit Point last year. Big thing with that power is throttle control and having a good brake setup. I'm running about the same power and its technically more power than needed for a road course, but does make the straights fun, just have to be careful.

As far as the tires go the closest to squaring up your tires is good practice for road courses. I run 285/35/20 front and 295/35/20 rear. It's atypical for American muscle to not have staggered setups and I have run with 255/40/20s Front and 295/35/20s rear and it did fine. You can run into oversteer issues, but for early HPDEs should be fine.

I'm still in the early stages as well, and its a blast. We should definitely try to get a group together. I've never done FATT, should be fun.

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Ok my car will be back out of the shop in about a week with over 600RWHP. My car has the 21 inch rims but just purchased 18-10 Forgestar for the rear and 18-9 for the front. I have M/T for the rear and Nitto for the front to use at the drag strip.
What tires do you recommend for use on a roadcourse track?

Also only roadcourse time I have was at VIR. I did both levels of the Aerial Atom class. The last class was a hour on the track by myself in Atom.
Never had my Camaro on any type of track yet so I would be a rookie. Suggestions where to start to get experience?
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:36 PM   #21
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yes...it is in the car right now. The fluid has been great and I have run the ATE Super Blue in three vehicles with no issues. It makes it nice when bleeding the system too. It isn't that expensive either.
Thanks for the info.
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:41 PM   #22
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Sounds like FATT would be a good start. Any HPDE is going to be great. I enjoyed my time at Summit Point last year. Big thing with that power is throttle control and having a good brake setup. I'm running about the same power and its technically more power than needed for a road course, but does make the straights fun, just have to be careful.

As far as the tires go the closest to squaring up your tires is good practice for road courses. I run 285/35/20 front and 295/35/20 rear. It's atypical for American muscle to not have staggered setups and I have run with 255/40/20s Front and 295/35/20s rear and it did fine. You can run into oversteer issues, but for early HPDEs should be fine.

I'm still in the early stages as well, and its a blast. We should definitely try to get a group together. I've never done FATT, should be fun.
What brand tire is the best for a road course?
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Old 03-12-2013, 08:50 PM   #23
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What brand tire is the best for a road course?
There are a lot of decent tires. I use Michiline Pilot Super Sports and have run PS2s. The ZL1 Goodyears are super sticky just no good on wet surfaces. Basically you want sticky.

I'm by no means a pro on this, just sharing what I've picked up. LostPony can probably give some additional sound advice. He is one of the instructors.

Last time I went I was the only camaro and it would be nice to discuss things in between track time. Wait until you see how far they push you before hitting the brakes.

It's truly a blast and you really do come away with quite a bit.
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Old 03-13-2013, 06:34 AM   #24
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And my name is Chris, if I am at FATT I'm hard to miss as I'm usually giving your first classroom instruction of the day. I hope to see you guys out there, the Camaro needs more representation at the track. Sadly there are too few showing up. Lot's of Mustangs, and I know ya'll wanna crack at 'em!
Hey Chris, was that you last Friday? I had a blast, although my tires would break loose in the corners without howling first, because it was so damn cold. Ah well. Not my fastest times but great for a first time on Summit Point.

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There are a lot of decent tires. I use Michiline Pilot Super Sports and have run PS2s. The ZL1 Goodyears are super sticky just no good on wet surfaces. Basically you want sticky.
I am running Michelin Pilot Super Sports, too. 295 30 20's on 10.5 inch rims. They REALLY grab in the corners. Love 'em. Kinda pricey. I have basically chewed up my first set in 1 year.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:16 PM   #25
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And my name is Chris, if I am at FATT I'm hard to miss as I'm usually giving your first classroom instruction of the day. I hope to see you guys out there, the Camaro needs more representation at the track. Sadly there are too few showing up. Lot's of Mustangs, and I know ya'll wanna crack at 'em!
We met last season when I did a couple FATTs but I'll be out of the country this year. For some reason everyone remembers me as "the green one", can't imagine why. I should be back next year with a lot more tire and a lot more mods. The mustangs will have to wait until then.



The one in June was entertaining with the rain. Do you remember the guy with the brand new orange BOSS that couldn't get out of tech or shift into 2nd without grinding? Poor guy went home after going around the track at 20mph twice.


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Old 03-13-2013, 08:26 PM   #26
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I am running Michelin Pilot Super Sports, too. 295 30 20's on 10.5 inch rims. They REALLY grab in the corners. Love 'em. Kinda pricey. I have basically chewed up my first set in 1 year.
I agree, good tires, but come at a price. Well worth it I believe.

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We met last season when I did a couple FATTs but I'll be out of the country this year. For some reason everyone remembers me as "the green one", can't imagine why. I should be back next year with a lot more tire and a lot more mods. The mustangs will have to wait until then.
Camaros always look great in track pics! Awesome shot. Here's one of mine from last year.





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I have yet to hit a track in the rain. I don't even take the car out in the rain, you are a brave soul.
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2 people kissed the wall that day. Personally I think you learn more about control and smoothness when raining. I did leave the nannies on that day though but it was still a blast. You learn a lot more about exit lines, rpm, and throttle position.

Unless of course you have dry weather only tires, then its straight up stupid to try it.
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Old 03-15-2013, 10:10 PM   #29
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VIR is a great track to learn to drive. Have been going there for the past 7 years. I sense this would be the first track experience for most here. A few pointers I would offer are the ones I do for my vette:

1. Dot 4 brake fluid, I use Wilwood 600.
2. Dot 4 clutch fluid,I use Prestone synthetic
3. Tires, I still run street tires. Some can't wait to switch to a more agressive compound. This is good if you plan to do more than HPDE's.
4. I run an extra quart of oil as recommended in the owners manual.
5. Those with auto, you may want to see what is recommended for track time.

For those just beginning the best advise is to get all the seat time you can. Depending on the group you run with, you may get to 60% output. My first event, I was instructed to drive in 4th gear. No problem as the vette has the torque to do this. A major emphasis was learning the line around the track. I forgot to mention you will have to have an instructor to get on the track.
Let me know if any more info is needed.

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SSSoon that was me, and Synner, yes I remember your car. How could anyone forget that color? I think my retinas are still burning!

As for tires, I recommend staying with a street tire, and most major brands have decent performance tires. Right now I am using Continental Extreme Contact DW in the stock size for my car, 255/40 19 front and 285/35 19 rear. I think a novice driver should stay with a street tire for at least the first year. Street tires provide more audible feedback when nearing or at the limit and tend to break away more gradual than a R compound tire. Moving to a slick can be even trickier as they have great grip.... right up until they have NO grip!!

I was going to give the Pilot Sports a try, but thought I would save the $800 they cost over the Conti and spend it on a track dedicated tire later this year.
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Old 07-15-2013, 11:37 AM   #33
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My wife and I will be going to FATT on October 11th and I've been researching what brake fluid and pads I should be getting. So far I'm thinking Hawk HP Plus and Motul RBF600.

For the pads, should I get front and back pads, or just upgrade the front? I've got a stock automatic SS. I'll be switching back to my OEM pads after the event.

All advice is welcome!



Also, can anyone recommend a decent service shop to do the fluid and pad change somewhere between Sterling and Chantilly? Yes, I know I can do it myself, but I lack the tools, knowledge and patience.
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