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Old 02-26-2013, 10:40 AM   #1
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CAI Question

Hello all! In August I bought a 2010 black on black 2SS with 31,000 miles. With all the usual options, and of course sexier than Kate Upton naked at a nude beach in the middle of July. For those of you interested i'll post a picture too. My uncle is on this site and he suggested I sign up. I have been lurking ever since.

I am now considering some minor performance upgrades. One of the first things people usually say to get is CAI. I have been researching that and from what I've found Vararam has a pretty good reputation and turns out to have as much of a power gain as any other CAI, if not more. I am considering getting this and wondered if any of you folks have much experience with that and what you think of it. The other option is to get a different CAI (k&n, airraid, bkk etc) with the triangular cone that sits in the front of the engine bay, which as i understand offers almost as much power gain as Vararam. However, combined with that, I would get a ram air hood with heat extractors. The air itself would be fed through a slot that pushes the air directly into where the exposed air filter would sit.

So my conondrum is would the power gain from CAI + the ram air hood be worth the extra cost vs just installing Vararam and calling it done from there.

Thanks and I really appreciate any and all input for this matter!

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I wouldnt bother with changing the hood.
just go with a CAI Inc with a scoop or a Vanaram and be done with it.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:00 AM   #3
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Something along these lines

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Agreed. CAI Inc. and a scoop would give you great numbers. Of course if you do want to get another hood the CAI Inc. is an enclosed intake and would render the hood useless besides the heat extractors. Either or is a good decision, not to mention aftermarket hoods look much nicer then the stock one.
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Something along these lines

Style is in the eye of the beholder..
I wouldn't put that on my car.
but If you like it go for it!
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:22 AM   #7
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I wouldnt bother with changing the hood.
just go with a CAI Inc with a scoop or a Vanaram and be done with it.
Is it the cost or the looks? Personally I like the looks, and though the cost is on a low end twice as much as CAI, If there is a noticeable difference between just the Vararam vs the hood + CAI, I would go for the hood + CAI. The extra air and heat extractors have to have some functionality.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:23 AM   #8
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Style is in the eye of the beholder..
I wouldn't put that on my car.
but If you like it go for it!
I probably wouldnt put that one on my car either. That was just one example of thousands that i found on the internet.
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Is it the cost or the looks? Personally I like the looks, and though the cost is on a low end twice as much as CAI, If there is a noticeable difference between just the Vararam vs the hood + CAI, I would go for the hood + CAI. The extra air and heat extractors have to have some functionality.
The hood will not help with these closed systems.
It may remove some heat but that would be it.
And other than that yes looks.
Not my style especially since it would not be functional except for heat.

No need for it.



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Old 02-26-2013, 11:33 AM   #10
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CAI + SCOOP
I've actually seen this. What is the scoop? I see it online but cant seem to quite figure out what this scoop is. Does it force cold air from the outside into the enclosed CAI under the hood?

The reason i was thinking ram air is having cold air from the front of the car, not having entered the engine and having a chance to heat up, but rather being fed directly to the air filter. I'm just a novice with this stuff so I am not really sure which method is more efficient just basing off physics.
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The hood will not help with these closed systems.
It may remove some heat but that would be it.
And other than that yes looks.
Not my style especially since it would not be functional except for heat.

No need for it.



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Well If i were to get a CAI with a hood, I would have an open one, where the filter is out in the open with the air from the hood being fed through slots directly to where the filter sits. Is that still a closed system? My understanding is that it would be absolutely functional if the air from the hood is being rushed into the air filter, right?

My idea is for the air filter to be open like this



And there's a hole in the hood right above where the filter is, and that hole leads all the way up to the open slot on the outside of the hood. Am i missing something here?
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You specified vanaram or cai Inc. Both are closed.
And both are rated higher than some of the other open systems

Roto fab is nice too but not my first or second choice.



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Old 02-26-2013, 11:42 AM   #13
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You specified vanaram or cai Inc. Both are closed.
And both are rated higher than some of the other open systems

Roto fab is nice too but not my first or second choice.



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I tried to be specific in that I am trying to compare Vararam alone vs CAI + a ram air hood (by CAI i mean Cold Air Intake, not CAI INC, the company). There are many very reputable companies like k&n, bkk etc who make open systems that would work well with ram air hood.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:48 AM   #14
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When you add a scoop to the CAI brand intake, the scoop mounts below the CAI box and feeds air from the lower grille to the bottom of the CAI box. You will need to relocate the windshield washer reservoir. I have done this mod to my car and am very pleased with the performance results.
I followed a DIY thread here on Camaro5 that demonstrated step by step how to complete this modification. I deviated from the instructions by leaving all four wheels on the ground. I was able to remove the inner fender simply by turning the front wheels.
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Old 02-26-2013, 11:51 AM   #15
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I tried to be specific in that I am trying to compare Vararam alone vs CAI + a ram air hood (by CAI i mean Cold Air Intake, not CAI INC, the company). There are many very reputable companies like k&n, bkk etc who make open systems that would work well with ram air hood.
Please do some research.
None of those are even close to the top 3

There is a thread here with detailed dyno report of all the big name cai performed by a 3rd party shop.

Those were not even close.

Vanaram, cai inc and Roto fab are the top cai systems right now.

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Old 02-26-2013, 12:05 PM   #16
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Please do some research.
None of those are even close to the top 3

There is a thread here with detailed dyno report of all the big name cai performed by a 3rd party shop.

Those were not even close.

Vanaram, cai inc and Roto fab are the top cai systems right now.

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Thanks for the info. I'm new to the nomenclature so i may not say all the right things. I understand those arent on the top 3 or close to the best, i was just naming off names off the top of my head. ACtually in a picture above i posted a picture of rotofab. So then my thing would be a comparison of vararam alone vs rotofab PLUS a ram air hood that works with rotofab design.
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Thanks for the info. I'm new to the nomenclature so i may not say all the right things. I understand those arent on the top 3 or close to the best, i was just naming off names off the top of my head. ACtually in a picture above i posted a picture of rotofab. So then my thing would be a comparison of vararam alone vs rotofab PLUS a ram air hood that works with rotofab design.
this is not a common mod.
So trying to find accurate examples is going to be tough.
The systems don't need a modded hood so people just don't do it very often.
Good luck and welcome.
There is a ton of info here and very helpful people.


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I just want a good system. I am okay with just having cold air intake alone, but would really like to take advantage of a new hood. Im a former WS6 guy so I do like the look of the ram air hood scoops. So getting functionality with ram air, and heat extractors, on top of being easy on the eyes, that seems to be like a 3 fold reason to invest the money on it. The only reason i would not do this is if the ram air from the ram air hood would NOT benefit for example a rotofab air filter, given that the hood has slots that push the air directly to the air filter.
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I had CAI, Inc intake and Apex scoop w/washer bottle relocate kit on my SS. With fender well liner removed you can see
the Apex bottle which mounts to the side of the scoop. The foil insulation you see at top is the inside of the air box. The advantage here is that there is a huge ass OEM washer bottle right in front of the intake box that gets removed. The relocate bottle one holds about a half gallon, so you might have to refill it more often, if you use it. I never used my washers once in 3 1/2 years of owning this car, but had to be there for state inspection.
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Hello all! In August I bought a 2010 black on black 2SS with 31,000 miles. With all the usual options, and of course sexier than Kate Upton naked at a nude beach in the middle of July. For those of you interested i'll post a picture too.


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There are a few things to consider here, which some here have already brought mention to.

1. If you want a hood buy it for styling, not for performance gains. As for a hood/CAI combo, we sell CAI's to one of the most popular hood manufacturers on this forum and he couples them with his hood. So either route you go in terms of hood/no hood we have you covered. Even he will tell you (along with most of the reputable speed shops, tuners and car builders on here) that a hood fed CAI is not going to offer you much more in terms of performance, especialy for the price, compared to just the CAI or aa CAI with a scoop.

2. It seems that many on here have already reccomended our CAI (Cold Air Inductions Inc. aka "CAI Inc.") with the scoop and washer bottle relocation kit, this is an extremely popular option for good reason. The gains have been tested, proven over and over, and the set-up is ran by many members here who can attest to the gains they feel, as well as the gains they see on the Dyno and experience at the track.

3. As far as your choice for a CAI, that is completely up to you, just please do you research. I think if you do that you will find why we are one of the more popular options among enthusiasts, and it's definitely not because we are the cheapest because we are from it. As far as Ram Air goes, here is an interesting read for you:
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48033

4. If you need anything or have questions about our CAI and the benefits it provides please let me know. Aside from providing a great product that is made right here in the USA, we also strive to provide a high level of customer service. That being said, let me know if you have questions or need anything. I would be happy to help.

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