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Old 04-18-2013, 07:49 AM   #126
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That's the best route to take, I'd go that way too bud.

Brian Tooley makes some badazz lifters
http://www.briantooleyracing.com/btr...r-lifters.html
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Old 04-18-2013, 07:58 AM   #127
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That's the best route to take, I'd go that way too bud.

Brian Tooley makes some badazz lifters
http://www.briantooleyracing.com/btr...r-lifters.html

Fortunately these things come appart fairly quickly, I'm down to the headers and then I can pop the head. I'm just going to replace the one lifter if i don't see anything else wrong and get this out of my shop.I've got too many bikes to work on to spend any more time on this than necessary.
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:02 AM   #128
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...i'm getting off this thread before the Oil Pump Grimlin follows ME home...lol!
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:19 AM   #129
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...i'm getting off this thread before the Oil Pump Grimlin follows ME home...lol!

I think you're safe for a few days, he's had his chuckles with me, that should satisfy him for a while.

I'm going to grab a coffee while this thing cools down a bit more. I'm ready to pop the head. I hope I don't find any surprises. lol.
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:40 AM   #130
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Just like that, I go outside bright and early this morning and fire up the SS to go to Dallas Cars and Coffee and NO OIL PRESSURE!! So I check the oil, and look for leaks,,,,all ok. Buddy comes by and we do the look in the oil fill tube for oil movement and nothing! The POS oil pump checked out.......Long story short, tow truck to the house and straight to the shop!
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Really?! I picked up my GM HO pump this afternoon for my replacement. I chose not to go with a Melling because I had two of them go out on me years ago; 1 on my 01 TA WS6 and 1 on my 96 Z28 LT1. Both were modded motors built with Mellings. There wont be a 3rd time.
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Lol your in the wrong hobby if your looking for rational. I've been doing this for a long time. To end your rational search you don't have to get a melling keep your warranties GM pump and stop steering the OP's thread into a debate. Yes the melling is superior that's a FACT, no not all GM pumps will fail but their record has been documented since 1997 since the Ls1 and its basically the same damn motor with bigger bores ALL of the LsX's. The OP knows what he's doing, you don't come across like you do.

Merely doing something for a long time is not synonymous with having the knowledge or ability to do something correctly. Many people are followers and simply do things the way someone else has shown them. You just may be correct though in saying the OP knows what he is doing.
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Old 04-18-2013, 08:44 AM   #131
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Merely doing something for a long time is not synonymous with having the knowledge or ability to do something correctly. Many people are followers and simply do things the way someone else has shown them. You just may be correct though in saying the OP knows what he is doing.

Your wrong, I have no clue what I'm doing, I've just been making believe for the last 40+ years,
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:10 AM   #132
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I'm not sure of their warranty and I'm not saying the pump is superior. I am saying that the Melling pump has improvements to some of the potential problems the oem pump has. Melling's pump still has to fit and function within the design GM came up with. Also the Melling pump, being an aftermarket replacement, is also subject to non-professional installations.

I'm curious, are you thinking there is no problem with the pumps themselves and that all the failures are due to poor maintenance, shoddy installation of various components or customer abuse?
I think the overwhelming majority of the failures are in part being caused by the practices mentioned previously. I also believe the failure rate of the pumps for cars that meet warranty requirements are in line with other GM vehicle parts. Don't forget when the GM pump fails on a warranty eligible vehicle, they are on the hook for the entire engine if it pukes from the pump failure. I can't think of a potentially more costly part to fail than the oil pump when it takes the engine out also. Camaros that are run within GM specs and unmodified cannot be out of line with their other product lines or changes would have been made by now.
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Old 04-18-2013, 09:17 AM   #133
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Merely doing something for a long time is not synonymous with having the knowledge or ability to do something correctly. Many people are followers and simply do things the way someone else has shown them. You just may be correct though in saying the OP knows what he is doing.
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Your wrong, I have no clue what I'm doing, I've just been making believe for the last 40+ years,

CFD, unless I'm wrong again and I apologize, you are not the OP!
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Merely doing something for a long time is not synonymous with having the knowledge or ability to do something correctly. Many people are followers and simply do things the way someone else has shown them. You just may be correct though in saying the OP knows what he is doing.
Your absolutely right why argue with you, I'm clueless just been doing this a good 16yrs. With LsX's only. Ill tell my entourage to dispurse sorry for posing as a leader. Soooo what experience do you have wrenching?
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I have absolutely no experience whatsoever. I have a credit card and Ted Jannetty for a gumba!
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:11 AM   #136
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^^^^Figures.

One of Lord Jannety's disciples. Lol nuff said. Then you are just someone who just pays for it, when others here are building their rides and MANY are stepping up to the task and its spreading!

Go HOME 2SsCamaro YOUR DRUNK!!
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:13 AM   #137
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Let the big boys here do and talk and understand bigboy talk. You just read cause that's what you do best v
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This is turning into a nightmare. Heads off, just came back from picking up gaskets and bolts but the lifter will not come out of the bore. I'm going back in with the camera to see if the bottom of the lifter is in tact, if so I will try my lifter puller.
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Old 04-18-2013, 10:40 AM   #139
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You may find this hard to comprehend but I no longer get much a kick out of doing wrenching and I don't feel my manliness and pride are being threatened if I choose not to. I'm just not that insecure. Sounds like maybe my gumba may have stepped on your toes a time or two and does not buy in to all your opinions and alleged facts!
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:30 AM   #140
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This is turning into a nightmare. Heads off, just came back from picking up gaskets and bolts but the lifter will not come out of the bore. I'm going back in with the camera to see if the bottom of the lifter is in tact, if so I will try my lifter puller.
Damn it looks like you might have to pull the cam out too if the lifter turned that would suck! Hoping for the best!
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:38 AM   #141
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You may find this hard to comprehend but I no longer get much a kick out of doing wrenching and I don't feel my manliness and pride are being threatened if I choose not to. I'm just not that insecure. Sounds like maybe my gumba may have stepped on your toes a time or two and does not buy in to all your opinions and alleged facts!
I can careless about your pride or manliness but it seems like you have a complex and are threatened by guys that actually wrench. I still think you've never wrenched anyways. Ted who lives and works in Rhode Island has never stepped on my toes im in Illinois lol, further more I proved my point to him in the other Melling oil pump thread. Are you going to keep going or will you still be trolling this thread, help/support give some technical insight (I doubt that though) or just sit back in your leather recliner, have your secretary hold your calls for a few, sip on some Starbucks and chill out so you can learn. Lol
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Old 04-18-2013, 11:39 AM   #142
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This is turning into a nightmare. Heads off, just came back from picking up gaskets and bolts but the lifter will not come out of the bore. I'm going back in with the camera to see if the bottom of the lifter is in tact, if so I will try my lifter puller.
Careful with that lifter bore bud!!
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This sucks. Now I'm wondering if I jumped the gun thinking it was a typical pump failure, the lifter is out but the roller,bearings and pin are missing. The odd thing is the holes in the side of the lifter where the pin presses in are in tact with no visable damage. At this point I'm not sure if the lifter failed taking the pump with it or the other way around. Where as the car never skipped a beat untill it lost pressure I'm thinking the pump failed first but it ran for such a short time I don't see how the lifter would break

Any how, the lifter bore is in good shape and the cam lobe is in tact so I'm going to put it together. I think I may drop the pan to clean it out which means i will be cutting the cross member and fabricating a bolt on one. THERE IS NO WAY ON EARTH I'M GONNA PULL THE MOTOR TO CLEAN THE PAN.
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I can careless about your pride or manliness but it seems like you have a complex and are threatened by guys that actually wrench. I still think you've never wrenched anyways. Ted who lives and works in Rhode Island has never stepped on my toes im in Illinois lol, further more I proved my point to him in the other Melling oil pump thread. Are you going to keep going or will you still be trolling this thread, help/support give some technical insight (I doubt that though) or just sit back in your leather recliner, have your secretary hold your calls for a few, sip on some Starbucks and chill out so you can learn. Lol
My help/support is this: No one should be lulled to sleep in thinking they can throw a melling pump in their modded Gen5 and think there good to go for 200,000 miles like you foolishly stated. The same things that contribute to the demise of the stock pump can also damage the melling. Jacked tunes, running oil weights and types out of specs of the LS, improper installation and/or reinstallation, out of spec temps, high revs on a not fully warmed up engine, foreign particles introduced upstream of the filter while engine is opened up for head work, cam work, etc., running aftermarket oil filters that can cause a higher or lower system pressure and return rate than that of the PF48, running excessively high oil temps for prolonged periods of time, etc. etc. etc. What do you think the difference in cost would be to GM to use the melling pump or copycat pump? Would this price difference added to the sticker price of a Camaro be off putting to customers? What rational do you believe GM has for not making changes to their pump if it is costing them so much loss and giving their brand such a bad reputation?
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^^^^said the guy that pays for everything ^^^
And has no clue about anything he's talked about....
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Old 04-18-2013, 12:33 PM   #146
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CFD good call will you be replacing all the lifters?

Cam inspection is in order? IMHO hoping no other parts got damaged.

Lol at cutting the Kmember!! You sound pissed now.
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CFD, if the lifter took a dump and parts went places then they would of not gotten past the pick up screen correct? Because the oil pathway is going up, just saying.
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Depends on how small the pieces could have gotten ground up on their way down to the pickup. I dont believe a complete roller off the wheel could pass through the pickup. Itll be interesting to see what is found in the pan.
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Depends on how small the pieces could have gotten ground up on their way down to the pickup. I dont believe a complete roller off the wheel could pass through the pickup. Itll be interesting to see what is found in the pan.
True and true
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Wow, how the hell did that come apart???
That's a first for me. Usually the lobe is gone, there's metal all over the place, the bearings are shit and the lifter is stuck.

You lucked out!!!! Man I ain't lyin!
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