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Old 03-13-2013, 06:42 PM   #76
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If a version could be made at a reasonable price and it sounded like the one in this video, would you be interested? Cause it sure sounded to me like it would make a good Z/28!
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Yeah it was said somewhere 30 engines a week..I know they don't sell that many corvettes, so I am sure they have a boatload of them on a warehouse! I don't mean too big as in size, we all know the LS-series are all the same size dimensions. What I have been trying to say, is the original Z/28's were purpose built, just because there isn't a racing circuit with displacement limitations, doesn't mean that GM shouldn't want to return to their roots as ford did and hook us up with an equaling engine. I know I know, wishful thinking, but I want to be inspired again, not turned upside down and shaken violently for every penny I have earned just to drive one..then after paying the good 'ol gov't heir chunk for the gas guzzler tax, pay every week at the pump just to take it around the block. I don't want a 50k garage queen, I want to be able to enjoy the car!
If a 427 Chevy engine in a Camaro isn't inspiring I don't know what is.
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This is still part of the reason I am against the LS7 in the Camaro. Price..little guys like me being able to afford one. It should not be possible for a supercharged engine (LSA) to cost less than a NA engine(LS7) Sure it would be a fun car, you could have big boy bragging rights to say you have a 7.0L engine in your car, but seriously adding at least 10K to the Camaro is just insane. You get a ton more bang for your buck modding 10k worth of stuff to your car starting with a 1LE base.
Supercharging is the cheap way to go. A built motor is most always more expensive. Take another look at the LS7's guts.
A Z28 was originally built as a race car for the streets, give me a hi-revving built motor. The HUGE bonus it's a 427! Too cool!
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If a version could be made at a reasonable price and it sounded like the one in this video, would you be interested? Cause it sure sounded to me like it would make a good Z/28!
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...=0&FORM=NVPFVR

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Oh yeah! But that one defiantly has a little (lot) extra.
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I do hope they find some way to make a Z28 that is affordable to enjoy and not have to be a garage queen. I've been holding out on trading up, in case this car saw the light of day. If it does, and is anywhere near attainable, I'll get a second job just to have one. I've wanted a Z28 for a long time, and have avoided the temptation of the SS, and barely managed to avoid the temptation of the SS 1LE in order to see if this beast was coming. I suppose this will be the time when we know for sure one way or the other, eh? If it isn't announced at this auto show on the 27th, then that's it? What do you guys think?

I've been keeping the faith, been following this forum on a near daily basis. Wildpaws, Lowdown, and the rest have discussed, debated, and concluded on what the Z28 should be. I've commented from time to time, just to make it known there are others waiting, supporting this journey we've been on. Info, rumors, spy shots, leaks, all have been somewhere between sparse to non-existant. Yet you gentlemen have kept the faith, and have inspired this Camaro fan to silently follow, mostly in silence, and listen to you impart wisdom, historical relevance and precedence, and add your individual speculation.

I just want you all to know, no matter if the hallowed 5th Gen Z28 sees the light of day or not, I've enjoyed the ride, the conversations, and reading what you all have had to share in the topics found on this forum. It's been a real pleasure.
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I agree with you cynic, this is all good fun in here and of course we all keep the boat floating with good conversation! Honestly still after all this thinking, discussion and input, I just know if they put an LS7 in this car, the price will keep me out of the driver's seat and that's a shame...I work hard and enjoy my toys, but for this I'm sure I will be breathing hard against a window somewhere peering in from the outside!
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I do hope they find some way to make a Z28 that is affordable to enjoy and not have to be a garage queen. I've been holding out on trading up, in case this car saw the light of day. If it does, and is anywhere near attainable, I'll get a second job just to have one. I've wanted a Z28 for a long time, and have avoided the temptation of the SS, and barely managed to avoid the temptation of the SS 1LE in order to see if this beast was coming. I suppose this will be the time when we know for sure one way or the other, eh? If it isn't announced at this auto show on the 27th, then that's it? What do you guys think?

I've been keeping the faith, been following this forum on a near daily basis. Wildpaws, Lowdown, and the rest have discussed, debated, and concluded on what the Z28 should be. I've commented from time to time, just to make it known there are others waiting, supporting this journey we've been on. Info, rumors, spy shots, leaks, all have been somewhere between sparse to non-existant. Yet you gentlemen have kept the faith, and have inspired this Camaro fan to silently follow, mostly in silence, and listen to you impart wisdom, historical relevance and precedence, and add your individual speculation.

I just want you all to know, no matter if the hallowed 5th Gen Z28 sees the light of day or not, I've enjoyed the ride, the conversations, and reading what you all have had to share in the topics found on this forum. It's been a real pleasure.
I fell in love with the Z28 as a kid. I always liked the idea of going fast through turns not just going fast in a straight line. I want to see the return of the Z28 as it was initially designed in Gen1 especially since the Gen5 resembles the Gen1. The 1LE is almost there...
As I've said before will GM let an entire Camaro generation go by without a Z28? I say no! Yes, we'll know soon.
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This "he said, she said" regarding "Corvette engine" usage belies one always-in-play FACT: Put the same engine in a 3900 lb vehicle and it will NOT outperform a 3200 lb vehicle, all other things being similar, which of course they're not...

It was the same at Ford when the 540 hp engine was used in the far-superior (dynamically) GT chassis than in the GT 500 Stang. GT outran the bigger/heavier/less-dynamic Stang...and so would the Vette. By its very nature, the Vette maintains a certain performance superiority over the Camaro...

The GT 500 is on a par, now, with the mid-decade GT only because of an extra 100+ hp...and improved GY tires.

Try that recipe on the 1SS/1LE Gen-5 Camaro with LS7 motor-vation and Michelin Pilot SS or Cup tires...and then watch the competition cringe!
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The Snake is their halo car, ours is the Corvette. We don't need a S/C ZL1, and shurely not a Z/28 that has one either. Make it like it has been prescribed here for a loooooong time and there you have it.

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Yes, it's much less expensive to offer more options for a car than to add another car or a whole other division selling the same car restyled, but under a different name. So I beg to differ adding more available optioning to the Camaro will only inflate the customer base and profits not the cost.
No, it splits and subdivides... so you want two upper eschelon upper tier price markets dollar wise for Camaro and Corvette? Smaller market share for us, the novety is there now for the ZL1 it will wane over time more than the Vette sales. Then they be forced to drop the ZL1. NO, incorporate the technology, build one monster. The Camaro is beer to the Vette's champaign. And the two will only sacrifice the corporates patience and sales over time if we continue on this dual upper end model trend that the Vette has had. There is no logical reason for us to follow suit. Base, SS, Z/28.
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It's just more options on the same car. It's not like the past when they were selling the Camaro and Firebird.
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Oh yeah! But that one defiantly has a little (lot) extra.
But it sounds soooooo good!!
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It's just more options on the same car. It's not like the past when they were selling the Camaro and Firebird.
....it's about market shares, and sales, both will be closely grouped performance wise....the technology is too close for comfort right now, and the prices like you propossed will be too close...so the numbers will split in half...why have two close together and split the sales in half, rather than have one and get 100 percent. More cost effective in labor, materials, overhead etc...to have one..
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I agree to some extent...if people are cross shopping, either they like the idea of a supercharged car or they would rather a naturally aspirated. If the blue oval boys have two to choose from it might lose a sale for GM. If a person can have roughly the same performance out of a car for less most will go for less..others will just want the baddest they can afford, hence the sale of a ZL1.
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My Camaro history is a little muddy... Was the Z28 just an RPO code that took a life of it's own or was it actually a Submodel?

My thinking is why can't it just be an option like the 1LE is? Something along the lines of an option that requires another option. I think right now the HotWheels Edition requires the RS package. So figure the Z28 at maybe $6500-$10000 requires the 1LE at the $3500. It would be expensive as all hell but if you want it you get it.

As far as the LS7 goes it doesn't have to be so expensive. Cut out the hand building and get rid of a couple of other things IDK what really but it has to be doable. The LS7 lists for what? $14Kish? An LS3 is roughly 1/2 that. With the exception of it being desirable for it to have the ZL1 rear the upgrades are there with the 1LE.

A 2SS would come in a few grand shy of $50K. So what $7K-$13K than a ZL1? If you want a basic track car a 1SS could be done for low $40's.

It's doable. IDK if I would really want it though. The more I think about it the 1LE with an LS3 is good enough for me. I'm not waiting. If it was available right now though I would buy it fast.
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I agree to some extent...if people are cross shopping, either they like the idea of a supercharged car or they would rather a naturally aspirated. If the blue oval boys have two to choose from it might lose a sale for GM. If a person can have roughly the same performance out of a car for less most will go for less..others will just want the baddest they can afford, hence the sale of a ZL1.
...but look at corporate ambition. Ford had the ambition to stomp with HP, GM not. This foot on throat HP fight is won by Ford. There is no answer back from GM, there will not be anything heard from the bowtie brigade until 2015/half year 2016 for the Camaro to answer back. ZL1 rests on it's laurels. There is your answer. Ford takes HP, on a yearly basis, one on one, more personally than GM. Since the Camaro can't fight on two fronts successfully and has a front runner with the 1LE without any doubt in it's class..make one and make it the best. The Vette is the halo car, with the expendable income crowd to sustain its growth and sales, not the Camaro crew. The ZL1, Z/28, 1LE should be combined for the next beat down Camaro.
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What they need to do is build IDK an LS10 or something make it a 7L with a 4.0L Whipple from the COPO program and bring the insanity. No hand building necessary. If they can get an LS3 to stay together they can this to work.

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I kinda believe that there is a better chance of an LS9 getting a power bump and ending up in a ZL1 to compete with the GT500(which at that point there wont be a comparison) than there is an LS7 powered "Z/28" coming to fruition. The ZL1 has a direct competitor and with the LS9 in it, I know that Ford will have no answer for it. A 650hp factory ZL1 would wipe the snot out of the GT500. It already has better brakes, better steering and better looks(personal opinion) it just needs more as Scotty would say "I don't have the power Captain"
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....it's about market shares, and sales, both will be closely grouped performance wise....the technology is too close for comfort right now, and the prices like you propossed will be too close...so the numbers will split in half...why have two close together and split the sales in half, rather than have one and get 100 percent. More cost effective in labor, materials, overhead etc...to have one..
So Coke and Pepsi should make 1 product, Samsung 1 style or even size of TV? Or Pringles 1 flavor of chips because it will only eat at market share? The company I work for designs and build very sophisticated POS systems some products are very close in use and design yet offer enough of a difference to either move customers up the ladder or bring in a new customer base. Again its the same car with other option packages as an alternative. Needless to say I don't get your argument. I agree to disagree.
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I kinda believe that there is a better chance of an LS9 getting a power bump and ending up in a ZL1 to compete with the GT500(which at that point there wont be a comparison) than there is an LS7 powered "Z/28" coming to fruition. The ZL1 has a direct competitor and with the LS9 in it, I know that Ford will have no answer for it. A 650hp factory ZL1 would wipe the snot out of the GT500. It already has better brakes, better steering and better looks(personal opinion) it just needs more as Scotty would say "I don't have the power Captain"
A ZL1 with an LS9 would be an awesome car and would dominate in many ways. It would be super car status for sure. However in a straight line, drag strip setting it would still not beat the GT500 whose engine is more powerful than an LS9. I love both cars and Shelby has left a legacy, its not the best rounded car for sure, and it has its faults but the GT500 is the best factory drag car, and will be for some time.....
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...but look at corporate ambition. Ford had the ambition to stomp with HP, GM not. This foot on throat HP fight is won by Ford. There is no answer back from GM, there will not be anything heard from the bowtie brigade until 2015/half year 2016 for the Camaro to answer back. ZL1 rests on it's laurels. There is your answer. Ford takes HP, on a yearly basis, one on one, more personally than GM. Since the Camaro can't fight on two fronts successfully and has a front runner with the 1LE without any doubt in it's class..make one and make it the best. The Vette is the halo car, with the expendable income crowd to sustain its growth and sales, not the Camaro crew. The ZL1, Z/28, 1LE should be combined for the next beat down Camaro.
This HP battle isn't nearly as important to GM or Ford as the fight for sales. And on that front the Camaro does just fine against the Mustang. Obviously there is a rivalry and some very educated and proud people on both sides that work very hard to create the best car they can. However, throughout the history of these two it's not often that the one that wins at the track wins in the showroom. Despite what our rather small enthusiast flock likes to think.
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ah ha..well you see even though the GT500 might have a slight HP advantage at that point, it's all about the torque and gearing after that and I believe the ZL1 would win.
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ah ha..well you see even though the GT500 might have a slight HP advantage at that point, it's all about the torque and gearing after that and I believe the ZL1 would win.
The 5.8 in the GT500 produces more power and torque than the LS9.
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GM is taking off across the planet. It's engineering and development skills are in the lead across the board. Heck, they are even shifting their marketing contracts as we speak as I wanted to get the right message out there hopefully to the right target base which IMHO was an area they woefully lacked in. Right now, taking all things into perspective, they are on the right path for major success. However, EPA, GOV, mandates, new manufacturing processes, materials, and technology will limit the HP market in the not too distant future, Enjoy what you have, or can get now if you can afford it. Things will change very soon, and so will the MSRP's. The HP market will shrink for Camaro, mark my words. History always repeats itself.
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The 5.8 in the GT500 produces more power and torque than the LS9.
No actually LS9 has 4lbs torque more than gt500.

Specs GT500 662HP and 600lbs torque
LS9 638HP and 604lbs torque both being supercharged.
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