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Old 03-06-2013, 02:11 PM   #1
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2012 Camaro 2SS/RS VS 2012 VW Golf GTI

As the title says who would win from a dig?My SS is an auto. Same question but my wifes 2012 2LS VS the gti.
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Old 03-06-2013, 02:56 PM   #2
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Won't be close for the SS. The 2LS will probably lose. It has the wrong gearing for a track car.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:11 PM   #3
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I thought so. He thinks his awd will give him an advantage but he weighs 4200 pounds and has 256hp and 243tq to my SS 3780 pounds and 400hp. I think the V6 may have him cause it is 3780 with 323hp.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:35 PM   #4
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They are low 14s cars, but the 0-60 is mid 5s. The 2LS just doesn't have the gearing of the 1LS (3.27:1) to pull down a 14.1-14-3 1/4 th. Now a good run in a 1LS or 1LT would be real close.
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Old 03-06-2013, 06:38 PM   #5
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A Golf weighs 4200lbs??
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A Golf weighs 4200lbs??
Missed that, good catch. They run about 3400 lbs.
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Old 03-06-2013, 07:02 PM   #7
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My buddy checked the sticker on the door that says his weight and it says 4200pounds for the gti.
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Old 03-06-2013, 07:15 PM   #8
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Wow, that's a pig. In that case I don't see how it could run low 14s. The 2LS may have a chance after all.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:16 PM   #9
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That is what i said. He also said that in 6th at 70mph he is at 3200 rpm. Seems like a lot.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:16 PM   #10
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First, the Golf GTI does not have a V-6 with 256 hp and does not have all wheel drive. The Golf R does have 256 hp and all wheel drive but it gets the hp from a turbo 4. The Golf GTI is FWD with a turbo 4 with I think about 217 hp, it used to be 200 hp but they have increased it. I have a 2008 Golf R32 which has 250 hp V-6 and all wheel drive. I don't know the exact weight but it is about 3,700. I have taken my R32 to the track and in 15 passes the best I have gotten from it is 15.34. I also have taken my 2SS to the track with a few mods and I have a best of 12.89. I do love both the R32 and my 2SS, but I do think a stock 2SS and a the V-6 Camaro will win.
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Old 03-06-2013, 08:28 PM   #11
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Yeah o know it is a 4 banger. I was talking about my wifes v6 Camaro. Sorry for confusion.
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Old 03-07-2013, 04:39 AM   #12
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If it's just a GTI? The V6 camaro should easily win, the SS no doubt would smash it.

Used to own a 2003 VW GTI w/ the VR6 (LOVE that VR6 exhaust note)

As someone stated above, 6th gear is rediculous on RPM, and they do weigh a metric buttload. 72mph was @ 3000RPM in 6th in my old GTI.

The 2012 has less HP and probably weighs even more.

The GTI is just a normal FWD turbo 4-banger. If it's a GTI R, it's AWD and as a bit more power.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:21 AM   #13
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If it's just a GTI? The V6 camaro should easily win, the SS no doubt would smash it.

Used to own a 2003 VW GTI w/ the VR6 (LOVE that VR6 exhaust note)

As someone stated above, 6th gear is rediculous on RPM, and they do weigh a metric buttload. 72mph was @ 3000RPM in 6th in my old GTI.

The 2012 has less HP and probably weighs even more.

The GTI is just a normal FWD turbo 4-banger. If it's a GTI R, it's AWD and as a bit more power.
Yes it is a GTI R. I didn't know there was a difference he just told me today.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:39 PM   #14
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not to get off topic but i cant believe those gti's weigh over 2 tons
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:21 PM   #15
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not to get off topic but i cant believe those gti's weigh over 2 tons
Neither can i. When he told me i made him show me the sticker to prove it. It also is crazy that at 75 he is at 3200 rpm.
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If VW has stuck with their same trans gearing it's true. 72 was 3000 RPM in my old GTI.

There's numerous reviews you can read about the GTI R. It's no where near the beast the old R32s were. He'll beat you off the line for sure with the AWD, but get a good launch and you should real him in i'd think.
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I have an L99 so it is way easier for me to launch then an LS3.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:34 AM   #18
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There's no way on earth a golf gti is heavier than a camaro
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From Caranddriver -

Adding the all-wheel drive, bigger brakes (13.6 inches up front and 12.2 in the rear versus 12.3 and 10.7 in the GTI), loads of standard toys, and other performance-enhancing kit bumps the Golf R’s curb weight to 3325 pounds by VW’s estimates. Bear in mind that VW’s quote for the regular GTI is about 100 pounds lighter than we recorded on our scales, so don’t be surprised if the R actually tops 3400. VeeDub further reports that the R should score fuel-economy ratings of 19 mpg city and 27 highway, compared with the manual-transmission GTI’s 21/31.

... the result is 256 hp and 243 lb-ft of torque...

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GTI weighs 3050lbs the R is about 3325-3375 depending on the amount of doors and options. Driver's race for a V6 Camaro vs GTI since they seem to trap about the same, and a slight advantage for the Golf R vs the Camaro.
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:00 PM   #21
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My friend has a 08 gti with an air intake and stage 1 tune......My v6 2010 Camaro has a trifecta tune,ported im,Mace 25mm,ported TB,bbk CAI and flowmaster axleback.....I would kill the gti right?
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Sorry to bring this back but GTI all the way......sorry. I had any 2008.5 with a tune for 93 octane with basic bolt-ons and our N/A engines have no chance against any modded FI vehicle. Mine sticker on the 2008.5 was 3200 gross weight. Wish I still had that car, was fun as hell.
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My friend has a 08 gti with an air intake and stage 1 tune......My v6 2010 Camaro has a trifecta tune,ported im,Mace 25mm,ported TB,bbk CAI and flowmaster axleback.....I would kill the gti right?
Driver's race, edge to the GTI.
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Old 05-24-2013, 04:43 PM   #24
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I walked a stage 2 gti in my bolt on v6 6-speed accord, a manual bolt on Camaro should have no issues with good driver
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I've done this exact race in my old 2011 LS. I couldn't keep up and he was lowered with a apr stage1 tune and diverter valve. From a dig and a roll. The VW wins every time. Even when we switched cars. Camaro losses. And people need to learn to read a door sticker. That sticker tells you how much weight the car can hold. Nothing to do with how much it actually weights.
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