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Old 03-07-2013, 05:10 PM   #26
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i think id feel kind betrayed if there were and excessive amount of zl1/1le parts on the 2014 model. appearance would not bother me that much but performance parts ie suspension id be kinda
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^ lol... it's a camaro... the car isn't that exclusive. I doubt they will share much... i doubt they change won't go anymore beyond just getting some cosmetic upgrades. I just wonder when the camaro will get the motor that's in the new vette. THey did with the past camaros.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:23 PM   #28
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not intended to be serious but it would be kinda like wtf i paid an extra 3500 for some very unique features and now they are standard for the next MY at a fraction of the price. on the other hand im all for new stuff that hasnt been seen. Mag ride as a 2-3k option COPO seat option, an ls7, stuff for the v6 guys etc. Those would be sweet.
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not intended to be serious but it would be kinda like wtf i paid an extra 3500 for some very unique features and now they are standard for the next MY at a fraction of the price. on the other hand im all for new stuff that hasnt been seen. Mag ride as a 2-3k option COPO seat option, an ls7, stuff for the v6 guys etc. Those would be sweet.
All great ideas that would be nice to see. Don't forget the ZL1 brakes.
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All great ideas that would be nice to see. Don't forget the ZL1 brakes.
Good luck with that one, given how much they cost....the add on would preclude a lot of people, much like the LS7
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:25 PM   #31
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not intended to be serious but it would be kinda like wtf i paid an extra 3500 for some very unique features and now they are standard for the next MY at a fraction of the price. on the other hand im all for new stuff that hasnt been seen. Mag ride as a 2-3k option COPO seat option, an ls7, stuff for the v6 guys etc. Those would be sweet.
I bet the 1LE RPO is a loss leader-don't be surprised if this is a one year stand alone option. They resurrected the RPO after a fourteen year hiatus for one reason- to spank the BOSS for 10k less. Why do you think Ford would not bring it to a shootout?

A ZL1 is 20k more-for a huffer, big calipers,mag ride and aero aesthetics. $3500 for everything else, a specifc trans/shock package AND better fuel economy?. Try price spec'ing out all the RPO components, you will be shocked. Hell the tire and wheel package alone is prolly more than the cost of the option. We all could be owners of special cars, they have only offered this option maybe ten or so of the forty six years of Fbody production.
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I bet the 1LE RPO is a loss leader-don't be surprised if this is a one year stand alone option. They resurrected the RPO after a fourteen year hiatus for one reason- to spank the BOSS for 10k less. Why do you think Ford would not bring it to a shootout?

A ZL1 is 20k more-for a huffer, big calipers,mag ride and aero aesthetics. $3500 for everything else, a specifc trans/shock package AND better fuel economy?. Try price spec'ing out all the RPO components, you will be shocked. Hell the tire and wheel package alone is prolly more than the cost of the option. We all could be owners of special cars, they have only offered this option maybe ten or so of the forty six years of Fbody production.
The 1LE isn't going anywhere. Enhancements are much more likely than the option going away. In the 2013 Camaro brochure it says that the 1LE is here to stay. I doubt they meant for 1 year.
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They're selling like hotcakes... more than GM suspected I think. I still feel like I stole something. I bet all parts individually from GM (if you could get the transmission) would be north of 10k... easy. Lovin me some 1LE!!

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Old 03-08-2013, 11:06 AM   #34
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They're selling like hotcakes... more than GM suspected I think. I still feel like I stole something. I bet all parts individually from GM (if you could get the transmission) would be north of 10k... easy. Lovin me some 1LE!!

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How do you think the value of the 1LE compares to the ZL1? ZL1 is $15k more and you get mag shocks, supercharger, etc. It seems like a good value too.
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Old 03-08-2013, 11:34 AM   #35
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How do you think the value of the 1LE compares to the ZL1? ZL1 is $15k more and you get mag shocks, supercharger, etc. It seems like a good value too.
I think except for the mag ride and the fancy computers you could easily surpass the zl1 stock performance for less than 15k worth of mods added to a 1LE. To take an SS past the 1LE performance for less than 3500.... not going to happen. I think the entire Camaro line offers tremendous value. They just knocked it out the park with the 1LE!!



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Old 03-08-2013, 04:25 PM   #36
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They're selling like hotcakes... more than GM suspected I think. I still feel like I stole something. I bet all parts individually from GM (if you could get the transmission) would be north of 10k... easy. Lovin me some 1LE!!

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Good front pic Tram. Still think you should paint that hood though.
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:04 AM   #37
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In light of today's announcement I finally have a date to look foward to reguarding 2014 information. Until we get closer to March 27th it's mostly speculation but we do know a front and rear fascia change is coming. What do y'all think? I'm leaning towards getting a 2014 but if I was a 2013 1LE owner I would be feeling pretty special right now.
If you waited this long , you might as well wait for the 2014 model as the incentives are getting better and better. And i bet they will improve the 1le with little cost increase if any . The Z28 option would be nice to have and it will be the best camaro to have in my opinion.
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:32 AM   #38
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Hopefully the "enhancements" aren't European tail lights and mirrors...
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:56 AM   #39
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Hopefully the "enhancements" aren't European tail lights and mirrors...
I really doubt they would do that. They have never come out and asked for people to look at the next years upcoming changes and we have had some substantial changes since the fifth gens release. I'm not expecting an LT1 for the SS or anything that crazy but I don't expect to be disappointed either.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:01 AM   #40
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Now with the new v6 twin turbo in the camaro line up 2014 ,making the same power and torque as the LS 3 but with much better mpg that might be the way to go for those daily drivers. My two cents.
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:07 AM   #41
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If you waited this long , you might as well wait for the 2014 model as the incentives are getting better and better. And i bet they will improve the 1le with little cost increase if any . The Z28 option would be nice to have and it will be the best camaro to have in my opinion.
Customer Cash Incentives are added to help the sales of a vehicle.....the 2013 has incentives to move them off the lot before the 2014 arrives. Being that the 2014 is a mid model update there most likely wont be any on the MY14 upon their release as they are typically not needed.

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Customer Cash Incentives are added to help the sales of a vehicle.....the 2013 has incentives to move them off the lot before the 2014 arrives. Being that the 2014 is a mid model update there most likely wont be any on the MY14 upon their release as they are typically not needed.

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Agree if you want to be the first kid on the block with a refresh 5th gen 2014 there might be no incentives , however if you wait a couple of months after they hit the dealerships I guarantee there will be incentives . Even a refresh 5th generation sales will decline as people await the 6th gen camaro. Just my two cents.
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Old 03-19-2013, 08:33 PM   #43
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How about some better seats? A grippy cloth sport set would nice.
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Old 03-19-2013, 09:09 PM   #44
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Speaking of seats, I wouldn't be surprised to see the memory position option some were asking for...since it is standard in the new "SS".
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I think except for the mag ride and the fancy computers you could easily surpass the zl1 stock performance for less than 15k worth of mods added to a 1LE. To take an SS past the 1LE performance for less than 3500.... not going to happen. I think the entire Camaro line offers tremendous value. They just knocked it out the park with the 1LE!!



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Not so fast, lol. The 1LE gets its props but isn't on the level of the ZL1 unfortunately. At $54k base your getting a deal in itself. Depends on how you price out a 1LE whether its a 1SS or 2SS that $15k figure your mentioning is slightly off. There is a few different factors which is obvious. But a 2SS loaded can get you $45-47 easily. ZL1 is $54k at base. I'll let the #s do the talking from there.
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Not so fast, lol. The 1LE gets its props but isn't on the level of the ZL1 unfortunately. At $54k base your getting a deal in itself. Depends on how you price out a 1LE whether its a 1SS or 2SS that $15k figure your mentioning is slightly off. There is a few different factors which is obvious. But a 2SS loaded can get you $45-47 easily. ZL1 is $54k at base. I'll let the #s do the talking from there.

As much as I agree with you, I have to disagree also.

1. You cannot take a fully loaded SS/1LE and compare the pricing to a base ZL1. That's cheating and skewing the numbers to prove a point. A base 1SS/1LE is $38k (rounded off of course) and gives all of the performance a fully loaded 1LE has to offer. And $54k base price does not include the mandatory GG tax. Also a fully loaded ZL1 is over $60k so if you want to compare fully loaded, compare fully loaded. Once you compare a base 1LE to a base ZL1 (including the GG tax) you are at over $15k. So $15k is actually a fair comparison.

2. Straight line performance on a 1LE with an added dose of forced induction and long tube headers will easily beat a stock ZL1 in a straight line and eat up less than $10k of that budget. Throw in some coilovers and bushings and you can walk away from a ZL1 on a road course. All of that and probably still under the $15k price differential.

So there is no doubt that you can build a faster car. Hell, for the price of a ZL1 you can get a used Z06 vette. So lets not pretend that the ZL1 is the end all of performance cars and that no other car can come close for the money. That is in no way the case.

What is true is that the modified 1LE will quickly become a 1 trick pony that will be less comfortable in daily use situations. It will never have the MR suspension that makes the car far more flexible in its ability to be a track monster and have great road manners. NOt to mention you will never have a warranty or the exclusivity that comes with a stock ZL1.

So I agree that each one is a great deal in and of itself. But lets be honest about the capability of the 1LE package. Remember, the 1LE is sitting on many of the same suspension parts as your ZL1 so it only makes sense that it is easily capable of exceeding the capability of the more powerful ZL1.
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Not so fast, lol. The 1LE gets its props but isn't on the level of the ZL1 unfortunately. At $54k base your getting a deal in itself. Depends on how you price out a 1LE whether its a 1SS or 2SS that $15k figure your mentioning is slightly off. There is a few different factors which is obvious. But a 2SS loaded can get you $45-47 easily. ZL1 is $54k at base. I'll let the #s do the talking from there.
You're off by quite a bit. I put dam near every option you can put on my 1LE and it was 41,9XX (after a $750 USAA rebate)
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You're off by quite a bit. I put dam near every option you can put on my 1LE and it was 41,9XX (after a $750 USAA rebate)
I should have specified, doesn't include below invoice pricing, etc as some ppl have paid for MSRP and higher with premiums. If that was the case then there are others who managed to get a ZL1 below invoice surprisingly. I'm one who only paid $41k for my 1LE which was fully loaded. Guess it all depends...
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I should have specified, doesn't include below invoice pricing, etc as some ppl have paid for MSRP and higher with premiums. If that was the case then there are others who managed to get a ZL1 below invoice surprisingly. I'm one who only paid $41k for my 1LE which was fully loaded. Guess it all depends...
Agreed. I built my 1LE for still a few thousand less than a BASE ZL1 so IMO......custom 1LE > stock ZL1 anyday LOL

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