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Old 09-29-2014, 08:03 PM   #1
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My winter project...





I think the pictures pretty much speak for themselves
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Old 09-29-2014, 08:06 PM   #2
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Dang, is that sitting the way it will bolt up. If so, that pulley lines up nicely.
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Whoa! Roots supercharger.. take two?

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just keep it UNDER the hood..
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If that is a TVS I may not remember I want to TT my car...
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Another awesome thread....but I don't see this one fitting under the hood either lol.
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Dang, is that sitting the way it will bolt up. If so, that pulley lines up nicely.
I think I'll have to get a shorter front drive snout for it and move it forward to get room for the inlet elbow in the rear to clear the cowl of the car. Or I might be able to keep the same drive length and move it forward with a new auxiliary belt system. Still working through some ideas in my head.

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Another awesome thread....but I don't see this one fitting under the hood either lol.
I hope to be able to keep it under the hood, but only time will tell.

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If that is a TVS I may not remember I want to TT my car...
It is a TVS 1900
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I think I'll have to get a shorter front drive snout for it and move it forward to get room for the inlet elbow in the rear to clear the cowl of the car. Or I might be able to keep the same drive length and move it forward with a new auxiliary belt system. Still working through some ideas in my head.





I hope to be able to keep it under the hood, but only time will tell.



It is a TVS 1900
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So here's some random blower math I've been doing today. The top section is guesstimated on the TVS1320 in the thread that Sycraft mentioned @ 6psi mentioned... I think that IPF might have hit the nail on the head asking if the unit was undersized for the engine? The guy that owns/owned the system said something about doubling the boost. That would spin the 1320 to about 17.5k rpms, 60-65% eff. It would do it, but it seems like it's screaming?

The bottom 4 sections are running the TVS1900 at various scenarios using the pulley sizes in the style I'm looking at that are available. This is subject to change based on some measurements I need to take to see if the pulleys will even work. It seems like the 8psi would be optimal... at least to start.

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8# (and 14#) would be a mean car...
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Old 09-30-2014, 09:58 PM   #13
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I think take 2 will be more promising! Jason do your thing!
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Awesome Jason!

I like your adventurous sprit.


Any projected HP #'s?
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Awesome Jason!

I like your adventurous sprit.


Any projected HP #'s?


Seriously though... More then 280 RWHP.

In other words. I'm not even going to try to put a number to it. The FI experts can feel free to take a wild guess at what it would do at roughly 8 psi. I ordered the heat exchanger and pulley yesterday.
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So is they LF3 intake/intercooler setup taking a back seat to this new project, or are you still going to work on both? Such exiting things going on with these LFX engines!
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So is they LF3 intake/intercooler setup taking a back seat to this new project, or are you still going to work on both? Such exiting things going on with these LFX engines!
Originally I had hoped to use most of that setup with this. I was hoping heat exchanger bricks in the LF3 would be spaced farther apart and I could "drop" the TVS unit down lower to keep it under the hood and blow through the sides of the LF3 intake... Buuut the bricks are too close together and I can't do that, so I'll be making my own setup.

More than likely I will try to sell all of the LF3 parts... So anyone that wants them, no need to wait 5 months.
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Dang I would have thought that the 1900 would have been too big. Its kinda crazy the 6.2s use it.
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Dang I would have thought that the 1900 would have been too big. Its kinda crazy the 6.2s use it.
There is a lot of conflicting info on the internet about the minimum recommended size for the TVS1900. Some places say a 4.0l engine is the smallest recommended size. However it says that 3.6l is the smallest right on the Eaton website... Which is right? idk, but the deal on it was too good to pass! If it doesn't work out on this project, I've got a 5.3 and I can easily buy the rest of the pre-made kit parts to stick this on there.
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Well in theory it doesn't quite matter if you have enough fuel right? (If I'm under thinking this then please feel free to explain or just shake your head)
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You've got to remember that it's an air pump and it takes HP to drive it. The bigger the pump, the more HP it takes to drive it. Ideally, I'd think you'd compare different units and pick the most efficient one for the range of boost you plan to run, hence it would be the one to rob the least amount of power to run it. Different units have different efficiency ranges.

Sure you could slap a big head unit on anything, but if it's way outside of it most efficient range of efficiency, you would have been better off with a smaller (cheaper?) one, that doesn't rob so much power just to run it.

This is how I understand it. Experts? Am I off base here?
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You've got to remember that it's an air pump and it takes HP to drive it. The bigger the pump, the more HP it takes to drive it. Ideally, I'd think you'd compare different units and pick the most efficient one for the range of boost you plan to run, hence it would be the one to rob the least amount of power to run it. Different units have different efficiency ranges.

Sure you could slap a big head unit on anything, but if it's way outside of it most efficient range of efficiency, you would have been better off with a smaller (cheaper?) one, that doesn't rob so much power just to run it.

This is how I understand it. Experts? Am I off base here?
Didn't think about that. Makes a lot of sense... and seems obvious enough that I'm not sure why I had skipped over it. Though the only other option besides the 1320 would be a 1650... Hm.

Oh. What about a front inlet? Or is that supercharger specific and not an adaptation-kit-based thing?
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I was wondering why you do not see a roost type Supercharger kit for the V6 Camaros. After digging around and re-reading the motor specs I saw it was a 60 degree motor. There is no room for pressure to equal out under the Intercooler before entering the runners. I don't see this happening without chopping on the heads or a different hood.

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I was wondering why you do not see a roost type Supercharger kit for the V6 Camaros. After digging around and re-reading the motor specs I saw it was a 60 degree motor. There is no room for presure to equal out under the Intercooler before entering the runners. I don't see this happening with out chopping on the heads or a differnt hood.
Nice observation. There actually is (was?) a top mount supercharger designed previously. It did stick out the hood.

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Didn't think about that. Makes a lot of sense... and seems obvious enough that I'm not sure why I had skipped over it. Though the only other option besides the 1320 would be a 1650... Hm.

Oh. What about a front inlet? Or is that supercharger specific and not an adaptation-kit-based thing?
To date, I've never seen a 1650. I've seen a lot of info saying it was "planned for production", but I don't believe they ever actually started producing them. It may have been project that ended upon the back burner, or maybe shelved permanently as the 1320 and 1900 "seem" to have a pretty good overlap according to the chart above I've posted which is off of the Eaton website.

I'd rather have a front inlet,but for the most part it seems kit specific. The generic head units that Magnuson sells for DIY kits are all rear inlet. I'm sure some parts could probably interchange to have a front mount, but the trouble is GETTING them.

That said, I may be switching gears again. Doing some research on the 1320, I found a cutaway that Car & Driver did on an Audi 3.0 TVS 1320 supercharger...



It's basically, almost exactly like what I had originally planned to do and try to incorporate the LF3 intake and intercoolers. Cooling bricks off to the side of the supercharger so a guy could eliminate the extra 4-5" of height under the SC to hopefully try and keep it under the hood.





It doesn't really look like it's much bigger than the LF3 intake. I went ahead and bought one. It will be much easier to make a manifold to adapt this setup to the top of the LFX. I'll stick it on top of the engine when it shows up next week and take some pictures.

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your a beast, wish I could drop coin like that to do test... Glad there are people like you willing to try something new....
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