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Old 03-08-2013, 11:55 PM   #1
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The dilemma FI v6 or V8

So first I'm new to camaro5 so hello to all, now my question is whether or not to trade in my 2010 camaro V6 for the SS. I have done most of the bolt-ons to my car; intake, ehuast, lt headers, catch can, and the vmax icealator on the way. I have the money in my toy fund for a turbo or supercharger system (sts or ipf) is what I'm thinking, but I have recently started thinking about just trading up for the SS and putting the man fund money on the down payment. Do you guys think I'd get more bang for the money with my car or trading up? I do love my car and finding a synergy green SS would be a challenge. Thanks for the input.
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Old 03-09-2013, 12:03 AM   #2
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LOL im going thru the same dilemma, I love my V6 and have the money to put a super charger in it but i don't think ill be 100% happy with it, I am trying to do a trade in and use the money i have for the F/I for a down payment on the V8 then after that ill start saving up for a super charger again. So if you can, go with the V8 if your trying to go for performance but at the end its all up too you, this is just what i am trying to do.
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So first I'm new to camaro5 so hello to all, now my question is whether or not to trade in my 2010 camaro V6 for the SS. I have done most of the bolt-ons to my car; intake, ehuast, lt headers, catch can, and the vmax icealator on the way. I have the money in my toy fund for a turbo or supercharger system (sts or ipf) is what I'm thinking, but I have recently started thinking about just trading up for the SS and putting the man fund money on the down payment. Do you guys think I'd get more bang for the money with my car or trading up? I do love my car and finding a synergy green SS would be a challenge. Thanks for the input.
If your set on a synergy green, it might be hard to find one. But if you feel like you want more, that will probably happen even if you add FI to the v6. So I'd say upgrade to the SS if you can swing it. Only reason I say is because if you want to mod the SS as well, there is a lot more room to grow. With the v6, you're pretty much at the limit NA wise and as soon as you add FI your at the complete limit power wise on the v6.

Quick suggestion though. Stay away from sts. Their kit is garbage.
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Old 03-09-2013, 12:26 AM   #4
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Personally if you can come out on top with trading for a SS, insurance, and gas do it. If you aren't going to look good even with you downpayment leave it alone and FI the V6. BUT whatever you do don't get the STS kit. Their are many V6 members here that have or had the kit and it hasn't ran right since day one. IF you like a challenge mod the V6 and be different as the SS has been modded in all different types of ways already. It's not everyday you see a boosted 5th gen V6.
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LOL im going thru the same dilemma, I love my V6 and have the money to put a super charger in it but i don't think ill be 100% happy with it, I am trying to do a trade in and use the money i have for the F/I for a down payment on the V8 then after that ill start saving up for a super charger again. So if you can, go with the V8 if your trying to go for performance but at the end its all up too you, this is just what i am trying to do.
If you feel like you won't be satisfied with 375-400 rwhp, just trade in the v6 because that's about the limit right now on the v6 LLTs. The LFXs can do more but you'll never get v8 numbers until the fueling situation gets figured out. Which thanks to gretchen, might be solved in the near future. But until then, we are stuck. Not only that but then you have to take the issue of reliability into account. No one has pushed the v6 a lot so we don't know when things will start to break.
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Ahhhh yea I was in this same boat 10 months ago. I nearly picked up an SS but I decided to go FI because all of the mods I had done my self and it had a lot of sentimental value to me.

Looking back on it I wish I would have traded up for an SS. WAY MORE after market support in both mods and tuning. Not to mention all the issues I've had to work around.

If you have a lot of money to make a sick FI build like Gretchen then thats what I'd do. But for the average joe it just makes more sense to trade up. An SS with simple bolt ons and a good cam would be sick. These LS engine have been around forever and are absolutely awesome. The DOHC DI V6 is relatively new.

Another thing to keep in mind is the 6th gen is about 2-3 years away. It will be lighter and have more power and assuming GM doesn't F up the appearance it should be an awesome car. I'm waiting to pick up a 50th anniversary 6th gen SS as my toy. So if I was you, I'd wait for the 6th gen and enjoy your current car. With all the money you'll save up over the next couple of years you could get a sick car.

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Old 03-09-2013, 03:14 AM   #7
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Well for me, I'm happy from what I have, it goes fast when I need to and I dont track it often so I'll just have a sharp looking car that goes fast until the speed limit! lol
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If you are really set on a SGM car, then you will have to work to find a used one. I really miss mine...loved that color. However, if I was in your shoes I'd wait and find out if the LS7 is really going in the 2014 Camaro. If it does and you can swing it then grab one. Otherwise, just wait until we hear more about what will be in the Gen 6s. Everybody wants more power, but it is now getting so close to some major changes in the Camaro I personally would be patient and see what comes out.
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Old 03-09-2013, 08:40 AM   #9
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I went with the IPF SC due to similar conditions. I have an RJT and since it's not offered anymore I didn't want to upgrade to an SS. This car is my almost daily driver on a 40 min commute each day and with the SC I'm still getting 23 MPG and the power of a V8. I don't track the car very often an I am very happy with the current performance. I went with IPF because of the quality of the kit and their knowledge of the Bosch ECM.
The only question in my mind now is a possible upgrade to a 2014 vette but this would mean a cleaning house of the cars I have !
Good luck with your decision, the SS really does offer more future options but the LLT SC does offer benefits too
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Old 03-09-2013, 01:10 PM   #10
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However, if I was in your shoes I'd wait and find out if the LS7 is really going in the 2014 Camaro. If it does and you can swing it then grab one. Otherwise, just wait until we hear more about what will be in the Gen 6s. Everybody wants more power, but it is now getting so close to some major changes in the Camaro I personally would be patient and see what comes out.
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I guess I'll throw out my two cents.

Most people will say go V8 and I can't argue against that.

In my opinion its not about power (unless you want BIG power then that makes a difference)

But it all comes back to the "its a V6 thing" saying we had around here. If you want a V8....you know it. The big engine, the muscular sound....if you want it, you want it and you can't fight it.

But if you are like some of us around here, wanting something unique, something that will turn heads when you say "450+ HP V6" then go with FI. Your bolt ons, plus the IPF SC puts you squarely into the 470 - 480 crank HP range and faster than a stock SS. SS will still have you on power in lower rpms, but in the upper rpms you'll pull away every time.

I'm the type of person that could be completely satisfied with that. I know I could be. But if you think you want more like 600 HP then go SS, unless you want to do a "gretchen" like build which will cost you a lot more.
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anyone have the link to the Gretchen build, i would like to check it out.
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Old 03-09-2013, 02:11 PM   #13
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anyone have the link to the Gretchen build, i would like to check it out.
Literally like two threads below this lol

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258249

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I guess I'll throw out my two cents.

Most people will say go V8 and I can't argue against that.

In my opinion its not about power (unless you want BIG power then that makes a difference)

But it all comes back to the "its a V6 thing" saying we had around here. If you want a V8....you know it. The big engine, the muscular sound....if you want it, you want it and you can't fight it.

But if you are like some of us around here, wanting something unique, something that will turn heads when you say "450+ HP V6" then go with FI. Your bolt ons, plus the IPF SC puts you squarely into the 470 - 480 crank HP range and faster than a stock SS. SS will still have you on power in lower rpms, but in the upper rpms you'll pull away every time.

I'm the type of person that could be completely satisfied with that. I know I could be. But if you think you want more like 600 HP then go SS, unless you want to do a "gretchen" like build which will cost you a lot more.
While I agree with this, one also needs to factor in reliability. If you're trying to reach a certain hp number the SS will be more reliable at that level everytime.

I'm NOT saying everyone will have an issue. BUT everyone knows all the problems I've run into. Some IPF owners have had issues (usually pretty minor), and we all know STS sucks. Yes I know saying you gotta pay to play but in the long run I'm thinking you gotta pay more to play with a V6.

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While I agree with this, one also needs to factor in reliability. If you're trying to reach a certain hp number the SS will be more reliable at that level everytime.

I'm NOT saying everyone will have an issue. BUT everyone knows all the problems I've run into. Some IPF owners have had issues (usually pretty minor), and we all know STS sucks. Yes I know saying you gotta pay to play but in the long run I'm thinking you gotta pay more to play with a V6.

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At any v6 power level, the SS will be a lot more reliable. It's not until you start getting into mid to upper 600's that things start to break on the SS.

Since no v6 has ever touched those numbers, we don't know what will happen with the v6 there.
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Thanks for all the input guys. I am pretty happy with the power of the v6 and my gas bill ( coming from a lifted and built f250 diesel). I definitely appreciate the reliability and the warranty of my camaro and don't want to loose that. With all that in consideration I think a V8 with the bolt-ons is the way to go for myself.
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On a side note I had a conversation with a gm rep at the auto show here in okc and "he could neither nor deny" that there would be a ls7 camaro in the near future, but he said don't be surprised in a way like it had already been built and he had test drove it. This coming after we had disused the price variance between the ss and zl1
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Thanks for all the input guys. I am pretty happy with the power of the v6 and my gas bill ( coming from a lifted and built f250 diesel). I definitely appreciate the reliability and the warranty of my camaro and don't want to loose that. With all that in consideration I think a V8 with the bolt-ons is the way to go for myself.
I definitely agree with you here. If you want reliability and a warranty, the v8 with bolt-ons is the better choice. But please don't forget that you can't do a lot to the SS before you require a tune and that will definitely void your warranty.
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I definitely agree with you here. If you want reliability and a warranty, the v8 with bolt-ons is the better choice. But please don't forget that you can't do a lot to the SS before you require a tune and that will definitely void your warranty.


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I like the idea of the new v6 engine. Just seems this has many more features over the current v8's. Like VVT, independent knock sensors and timing on each cylinder,7000 rpm limit, and direct injection. These are what sold me on the 2012 v6 to begin with.

I like the sound of the v8, but I also like the idea of smashing the gas from a stop sign or red light without a cop 12 blocks away looking for you, so v6 still wins that one.

I'm debating on v6 supercharged or wait on direct injection v8 with the same features mentioned.

One of my hesitation points is how the traction control handles the added power of the FI kits. I know it handles well now with the current power, I just don't want to be mid curve and be thinking I did this a hundred times and skid off the road or loose control.
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Amazing how much more we know now than a month ago.
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Amazing how much more we know now than a month ago.
Ok, I can take a hint. I'm slow. I can say I taken my car around a 90 degree turn with a speed limit sign of 10 mph at 45 mph. I know when the back end breaks loose the front wheels independently clamp down and keep your nose in the right direction.
Never crossed the yellow line of the road at any point.

The traction control does have a 1/2 to 1 second delay before applying power back to the rear wheels.

I know the current limits of this car and no one has addressed this or commented with the FI kits. Seems everyone wants to go fast in a strait line.
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Ok, I can take a hint. I'm slow. I can say I taken my car around a 90 degree turn with a speed limit sign of 10 mph at 45 mph. I know when the back end breaks loose the front wheels independently clamp down and keep your nose in the right direction.
Never crossed the yellow line of the road at any point.

The traction control does have a 1/2 to 1 second delay before applying power back to the rear wheels.

I know the current limits of this car and no one has addressed this or commented with the FI kits. Seems everyone wants to go fast in a strait line.


Sorry, that wasn't directed at you or prompted by your post. Your post just brought the thread back up to the top and I read all the posts again. It's amazing we were questioning if the LS7 would be in the next Gen and now we see it in the Z/28. We were commenting on the limits to the V6 motor with FI and now we see it can handle a lot.


As for your question, I'm not seeing any issues with TC/Stabilitrac except at the track. Since most people turn both off there it really isn't an issue.

What you will have an issue with is that neither nanny is really designed to make the car under control all the time. You will have more power and so you can lose control quicker. You just have to be more careful with the extra power.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:27 PM   #24
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I'm going to hold out on getting a SS until the 6th gen. Willing to see if they bring over the LF3 then. Well we also now know that 600RWHP with the injector plate Gretchen has is doable. We aren't limited as much now, but money is the only problem for most to enjoy a FAST V6. To some it's not justified to spend much on the V6, but then we have those few lol. Who will be the first to try the injector plate on the LLT?!
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Just got home today from a week long biz trip. Rented a 2013 SS vert for the week. Apples to apples comparison against my 2011 RS V6 with an IPF SC.
After a week with the SS I'm still glad I kept my V6 and installed the SC. I'm almost 10k miles on the SC and its still like it was OEM. I like the low end V8 power but mid range and upper the V8 had nothing on my V6 SC. And the kicker is the gas mileage was almost 10mpg better. I'm not in the least tempted anymore to go with an SS.
Now if I can keep my eyes off of that 2014 vette :(
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