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Old 03-12-2013, 10:30 AM   #51
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Lets get one thing straight! It takes allot more then a few freaking boltons for any car to run 10s! If anyone thinks they gonna go buy a 5.0 slap a few basic parts on it and run 10s just like nothing is in for a big surprise.
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Lets get one thing straight! It takes allot more then a few freaking boltons for any car to run 10s! If anyone thinks they gonna go buy a 5.0 slap a few basic parts on it and run 10s just like nothing is in for a big surprise.
Really? It is that simple to a point. Full exhaust, boss intake, some Suspension, circle d, bigs/little's. The biggest is the tune. On both auto and manual cars. They are not all equal. I've seen guys gain .3 and 3-4mph from a tune. Lol these cars are bolt ons. And there is more. But it takes a certain setup also with that tune. The right parts. Not wasting money on junk like a throttle body that does nothing.





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Ok bud.
It is what it is. Sorry camaro's can't do it as easy.

Look.at my car. I went 10.3@133 on my old tune.
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That was all took for me to go 10.3. I did all work myself besides tune. Its really that easy. And with right setup n/a its that easy to go 10.8-11.3. Most just don't have the right parts, tuning time in their cars.

Hell I know camaro's going 10.8-11.3 with cam only. But yet a lot guys think need heads, blower, blah blah. Its all maximizing the setup. Which 95% of people don't do. They read to much BS on forums or a buddies buddy said this and that and do it. Then wonder why its not working for them.

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Old 03-12-2013, 11:32 AM   #55
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I have a 12 Camaro ss with SLP axle back, intake, ARH with high flow cats, and x pipe, and a dyno tune by ECSC. My car Dynoed 429 rwh and 428 pound of torque. My boy has a 5.0 with headers, exhaust, H pipe, boss intake manifolds and a dyno tune. We went to the track few days ago, and my best run was 12.70 at 113.5 mph with a 2.11 60 ft. His best run was 11.8 at 121 mph with a 1.9 60 ft. I'm getting cams installed on Thursday, and hoping to gain about 50 to 60 rwh. Will I stand a chance once I get my cams ? He talks alot of shit.
With a cam you two should be neck and neck. Tires is killing you both. I had same mods as him on my manual and went 11.4@119 in 1800 DA.

With a cam, then some lighter rims and better tires you should beat him if he is still on stock tires.

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Old 03-12-2013, 11:35 AM   #56
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A stock 2012 GT500 traps 125?

Kinda hard to believe. I will admit, I have no experience but still hard to believe.

2013 I might could see. But 125mph is pretty fast, considering.
A stock 2012 GT500 isn't trapping 120. At best its 118.

The 13 GT500 traps 125-128 stock. All depending on driver/track prep/da.

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only with the right driver though. When i first got my intake and SCT tune, I was disappointed when I only trapped about 1 mph faster than stock. While Debro was trapping as high as 118 with intake and tune. my car now makes about 430 rwh and only traps mid 113's. If I could trap as high as 118 with the cam I'd be happy. But it's just crazy that a 5.0 with intake and tune and a great driver traps as high as a stock ZL1.
Cause most ZL1 owners you see can't drive, run it over and over heat soaked.

A tune and cai only 5.0 even on tires is really a 115-116 trap at best. With some negative da it might sneek to 118.

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I think the issue here is that it is difficult to do it in a SS, point being look how few cammed Camaros in this forum are even in the 11s never mind 10s. This site is full of cammed cars at this point all boasting big dyno numbers, but most have 12-sec slips. If you look at the fast list many of the cars that do make it to 11-sec passes are the L99 cars. For the most part the faster cammed setups are shop cars, while still impressive they are typically well seasoned drivers who know how to squeeze every bit of ET out of their cars. Again there are exceptions to the rule.
IMO the problem is because the Camaro (especially the LS3) has a difficult time launching, hop, bog, too much clutch slip, fear of breaking parts (axles, drive shafts, and differentials) all limit the car. The 5.0s don’t seem to suffer from this. Bolt up a set of slicks or DRs and dump the clutch at 4000-5000 rpms, shift at 7000, and you have that 11-sec slip with a 1.5-1.6 60’. I would have never considered that with my LS3 for the fear of leaving thousands of dollars of parts on the starting line.
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I think the issue here is that it is difficult to do it in a SS, point being look how few cammed Camaros in this forum are even in the 11s never mind 10s. This site is full of cammed cars at this point all boasting big dyno numbers, but most have 12-sec slips. If you look at the fast list many of the cars that do make it to 11-sec passes are the L99 cars. For the most part the faster cammed setups are shop cars, while still impressive they are typically well seasoned drivers who know how to squeeze every bit of ET out of their cars. Again there are exceptions to the rule.
IMO the problem is because the Camaro (especially the LS3) has a difficult time launching, hop, bog, too much clutch slip, fear of breaking parts (axles, drive shafts, and differentials) all limit the car. The 5.0s don’t seem to suffer from this. Bolt up a set of slicks or DRs and dump the clutch at 4000-5000 rpms, shift at 7000, and you have that 11-sec slip with a 1.5-1.6 60’. I would have never considered that with my LS3 for the fear of leaving thousands of dollars of parts on the starting line.
Can't disagree with that... unless all those components have been replaced/beefed up with aftermarket part$...
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But that's the thing. People think power alone gets them ET. It isn't that simple.

And agree buddies 750whp/698wtq 5th Gen runs 10.8. He finally listened, got lighter rims, better Suspension, and slicks. Now he just ordered a monster clutch. His car should be able to touch 9's or least low 10's.

Same camaro club bunch cammed 5th gene running 12.2-12.5. Few finally listened and now they are as low as 11.3.

Complete setup is key. And none of them are shop cars.

They even have a couple ZL1 in group. That have yet to run 12.6 or better. But the owners have more money then brains and think if they hotlap it will run better.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:09 PM   #61
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A stock 2012 GT500 traps 125?

Kinda hard to believe. I will admit, I have no experience but still hard to believe.

2013 I might could see. But 125mph is pretty fast, considering.
I assumed we were talking about a 2013 GT500....

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But that's the thing. People think power alone gets them ET. It isn't that simple.

And agree buddies 750whp/698wtq 5th Gen runs 10.8. He finally listened, got lighter rims, better Suspension, and slicks. Now he just ordered a monster clutch. His car should be able to touch 9's or least low 10's.
Bingo.

A lot car guys, whether they like Camaros or Mustangs, think you can just throw a bunch of power mods at a car and run easy 10s. No, it's not quite that simple. There are huge gains to be had just in the drivetrain/tires alone.
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:14 PM   #62
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With a cam you two should be neck and neck. Tires is killing you both. I had same mods as him on my manual and went 11.4@119 in 1800 DA.

With a cam, then some lighter rims and better tires you should beat him if he is still on stock tires.

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Your missing Ehab's point. He doesn't want to just run a better 1/4 mile then me, he wants to trap higher. A cam isn't going to get him 7.5 mph. We go to Atco together so the weather conditions/ track prep are the same.
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Cause most ZL1 owners you see can't drive, run it over and over heat soaked.

A tune and cai only 5.0 even on tires is really a 115-116 trap at best. With some negative da it might sneek to 118.

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Your making a lot of assumptions. Maybe where your from the DA hurts your times but in NJ we get to benefit from being close to sea level and dipping into negative DA. That's not just my car but every car that runs here. Ive raced a zl1 @ atco who could drive considering he was cutting 1.9's but he was only trapping 115-116. His car wasn't heat soaked as he let it cool for about 45 minutes before the run and it was only 45 degrees that night
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I'm getting cams installed on Thursday, and hoping to gain about 50 to 60 rwh. Will I stand a chance once I get my cams ?
I only put 1 cam in my car and dyno'd 466 RWHP. Putting in more than one should do the trick if you can get them to fit......
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This is where you went wrong. That statement implies a ss will come out on top. With all things being equal the Camaro is going to be a 10th or two slower every time. Simple drag racing 101. 300 pd. Lighter car with a solid axle is going to go faster. Doesn't matter if your talking street tires or slicks. The Mustang is designed to do better in a straight line. Trust me I own A SS and a Mustang.
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It is what it is. Sorry camaro's can't do it as easy.

Look.at my car. I went 10.3@133 on my old tune.
4000 for blower
300 for boss intake
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1250 for bigs little's.
That was all took for me to go 10.3. I did all work myself besides tune. Its really that easy. And with right setup n/a its that easy to go 10.8-11.3. Most just don't have the right parts, tuning time in their cars.

Hell I know camaro's going 10.8-11.3 with cam only. But yet a lot guys think need heads, blower, blah blah. Its all maximizing the setup. Which 95% of people don't do. They read to much BS on forums or a buddies buddy said this and that and do it. Then wonder why its not working for them.

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Really, lol so have a blown car that runs 10 lmao! Wow I am now done with this
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Really, lol so have a blown car that runs 10 lmao! Wow I am now done with this
Well being my car stock with a tire beat your cammed time I wouldn't talk if I was you. Oh it also did it with cai/tune/dr's. Then again with bolt ons and that was a manual. But yep my blown car with stock engine/stock headers/stock trans/full weight is faster then all but what 6 out of 30 blown camaro's with stock displacement, and tey all have cam/heads/meth. And wow im on 11lbs 93 octane. So looks like its my win. Hell then look ones with 427's and blowers and crap don't even go as fast.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013
Hmm faster then your cammed heap. You are one them guys that don't know how to set your sit up,


Point was about maximizing setups. Not wasting money of BS mods thinking your going to go faster. CHoosing the right headers/cai/cam/etc etc.

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Your missing Ehab's point. He doesn't want to just run a better 1/4 mile then me, he wants to trap higher. A cam isn't going to get him 7.5 mph. We go to Atco together so the weather conditions/ track prep are the same.
It will if he gets right setup. Plus a tire. He's killing him self with tat 2.160ft. Why people try to get best ET/Trap on street tires is just stupid. Then wonder why they run so slow or not as expected. So yes its very capable he can out et/trap you.

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I never ran my car down the track bone stock. A week after I got it, I bought a Torq speedlab mail order tune and the intake. so I'm not sure exactly how much mph it picked up.



Last week @ atco there was another 2012 5.0 with an intake, boss IM, cat delete, AED tune and axleback running 11.9-12.1 119+ with 3.31 gears on stock tires. Im not saying every mustang with those mods will trap that high but its possible. There are alot of other variables to consider, one mainly being DA
And at Cecil there was a guy that went 12.0 with just tires. So really you guy suck at driving with all them mods. I would say seeing tat extra trap cause of the air and spin.
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Well being my car stock with a tire beat your cammed time I wouldn't talk if I was you. Oh it also did it with cai/tune/dr's. Then again with bolt ons and that was a manual.


Point was about maximizing setups. Not wasting money of BS mods thinking your going to go faster. CHoosing the right headers/cai/cam/etc etc.
Dont talk? Ya I am pretty sure I could beat my own cam time with tires and no cam too! Big deal, I know what it takes to run solid times, those were not my intensions with my first set of a few mods. Ill let you know when I set out for getting my car setup for running at the strip.
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Dont talk? Ya I am pretty sure I could beat my own cam time with tires and no cam too! Big deal, I know what it takes to run solid times, those were not my intensions with my first set of a few mods. Ill let you know when I set out for getting my car setup for running at the strip.
My car don't just run at the strip. Hell 99% of time I run on street I'm on my 65whp less street tune. And have yet to have any issues.

I can't wait for my wife to finally pick out her camaro. Why cause it will be setup rigt. And crush what others have done. Running some the best times. Cause I will do it right instead of just throwing money and parts at it like most.

Let me know when that cammed car runs a decent time. And anything other then low 11's isn't decent.

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I'm a Mustang owner also. Those prices seam a little on the light side. Are some of thse used prices?

You dont have to be as good of a driver in the ZL1 thanks to launch control coupled with no lift shift straight from the factory and magnetorheological suspension.

Amen. way more to running good times than power. I only put down about 460 to the wheel in the old stang but I expect to be very close to 10s. But thats with a drag suspension and slicks.

I'm always at Atco. let me know hwen you guys are going again.


Last week @ atco there was another 2012 5.0 with an intake, boss IM, cat delete, AED tune and axleback running 11.9-12.1 119+ with 3.31 gears on stock tires. Im not saying every mustang with those mods will trap that high but its possible. There are alot of other variables to consider, one mainly being DA
The average for those mods is usally in the 115-116.[/QUOTE]
Just have to know hwere to get parts, I bought my blower from Beefcakeracing AKA Terry Reeves, used militray discounts or black friday sales to get others. And bought a Boss intake wen first came out from Tousley Ford. I didn't sit watch them jump in price liek most people.

You could just got bigs/littles for $550 shipped for rims over xmas as every one was getting rid of the unilug racestars.

Oh I also got my new Dynatech driveshaft for $580 shipped.
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This thread makes me smile. Loving reading this stuff. (not being sarcastic here)
Let's not forget a GOOD tune helps out huge. Those 5.0's,.....man, they got some nasty torque when you start modding them puppies. Love those 5.0's 'stangs. A beautiful and nice running machine.
I agree the OP should look into a better wheel/tire setup for the track. That will help a lot. Good luck.
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Just raced earlier a 5.0 that runs a 12.3@118

We did 3 20 rolls my 10' l99 pulled on him by a car or 2 lol
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I'm the owner of the 2012 5.0 At the time I ran 11.89@121 I only had an Airriad intake, boss manifold, cat deletes, email tune and flowmaster axleback. I have trapped 118 with just intake and tune. I'm not hiding anything. I now have pypes long tubes and a dyno tune. hopefully I will be able to trap around 123mph. My numbers may seem a little high but if you visit a mustang forum, you will see similar mustangs running those those numbers
Who did your tune, if I may ask? Was it VMP or Brenspeed? A GOOD tune is very helpful waking up mods like these on a 5.0. Your car seems to run pretty awesome from what I read here. I like it man!
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My car don't just run at the strip. Hell 99% of time I run on street I'm on my 65whp less street tune. And have yet to have any issues.

I can't wait for my wife to finally pick out her camaro. Why cause it will be setup rigt. And crush what others have done. Running some the best times. Cause I will do it right instead of just throwing money and parts at it like most.

Let me know when that cammed car runs a decent time. And anything other then low 11's isn't decent.
I agree with you that most people are doing just what you said. We can agree on that, just for your FYI... My cam is TINY 218/228 .556 .565 on the bone stock valve train, it is FAR from being a low 11-10 sec cam. My car wont be setup for a wile, Ill be happy with mid 11s with it in the DA I run in. Once I get the cash saved for uprades I want and get my driving down.... then I will be swaping for a much more agressive cam and tune. I still need to upgrade my exhaust and intake on top of it so there is still more in it even with this cam. I wont really know were this little cam will get this car for a wile, I want to run a full race wheel tire setup, one piece drive shaft, stiffen up the rear suspension and start taking it from there. but the plan is to run low 11s high 10s cam only.
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