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Old 03-11-2013, 07:33 PM   #1
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Next big project

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Might try to get the roll bars in this weekend.
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:36 AM   #2
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Awesome! So much for the back seat though. Man I wish it was legal to have a removable cross bar... What color did you go with?
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Old 03-12-2013, 05:44 AM   #3
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Awesome! So much for the back seat though. Man I wish it was legal to have a removable cross bar... What color did you go with?
I'm not worried about FIA legal. I am doing road courses and am a long way from doing any serious competition. I want safety. My roll bars are fully removable - there is a locking point (tube clamps) 6-8 inches up from each attachment point.

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...mp_p_1467.html

Am going to mount the seats on a plate that will fit into the OEM mount points, and bolt down with two bolts. I want to be able to get the seats, harnesses, and roll bars installed in <1 hour for track days and am sure I can do it. I still take the kids to school many days in my car, so need the back seat.
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:47 AM   #4
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Old 03-12-2013, 07:43 AM   #5
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Awesome
From your sig line you look like you have an interesting setup as well. Do you have pix of your seats/harnesses? and do you have a roll bar? Would love to see where all your stuff is anchored as I will be anchoring in a week or so.
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Old 03-12-2013, 10:52 AM   #6
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Look here:

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...there are many pictures
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:40 PM   #7
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Very cool. Hey, what did you find happens to the air bags when you remove stock seats? Do they all deactivate, or does it just flash an error message on the console? And can you clear the error message easily?

I have an SLP boost gauge sitting in a box, ready to install Instructions read like it takes a lot of trimming and shaving to get things to fit. Looks like the same housing as yours but the gauge can be made to fit without cutting the back, I think.

I was thinking of ordering the same bumper inserts that you have and turning them into functional brake ducts. You consider that? Enough room in behind?

My bumper is all chipped to hell from rocks. How much was your bumper repaint?

Are the LEDS that came with the bumper insert kids white-white or blue-white? I don't like my current aftermarket P13W bulbs because they have a real blueish tinge to them.

Sorry for all the questions but cool to find someone who looks like they are 6-12 months ahead of me in my mod progress
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Old 03-13-2013, 03:19 AM   #8
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Currently the two airbags are not connected. This I will do in camaro-tuning.com
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I'm not worried about FIA legal. I am doing road courses and am a long way from doing any serious competition. I want safety. My roll bars are fully removable - there is a locking point (tube clamps) 6-8 inches up from each attachment point.

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...mp_p_1467.html

Am going to mount the seats on a plate that will fit into the OEM mount points, and bolt down with two bolts. I want to be able to get the seats, harnesses, and roll bars installed in <1 hour for track days and am sure I can do it. I still take the kids to school many days in my car, so need the back seat.
Very cool and I hear you about hauling the kids which is the only reason I have not put a bar in yet. My car sees time on the drag strip as well and future plans will put it into the required roll bar category so a removable setup like yours won't work (wish it was legal though). Until I get to that point where it is a requirement, I'll be able to keep hauling the kids around.
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:34 PM   #10
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pulling out interior

seats, rear panels, etc., out

chipping out sound deadening material now
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Old 03-15-2013, 09:35 PM   #11
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that's enough for tonight

insulation scraped out, one shot shows primer on so it doesn't rust. More tomorrow.
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Old 03-15-2013, 09:49 PM   #12
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I'm not worried about FIA legal. I am doing road courses and am a long way from doing any serious competition. I want safety. My roll bars are fully removable - there is a locking point (tube clamps) 6-8 inches up from each attachment point.

http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/...mp_p_1467.html

Am going to mount the seats on a plate that will fit into the OEM mount points, and bolt down with two bolts. I want to be able to get the seats, harnesses, and roll bars installed in <1 hour for track days and am sure I can do it. I still take the kids to school many days in my car, so need the back seat.
My RPM install was over a year ago. Went with Carbon Fiber finish-great looking and very good quality mfg-BUT-unless there have been some MAJOR design changes I can't fathom a 1 hour change? Hope I'm wrong. I sold mine and went with a permanent cage. Damn chasing timeslips required the change. Goodluck and keep the pic's coming
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Old 03-16-2013, 08:20 AM   #13
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My RPM install was over a year ago. Went with Carbon Fiber finish-great looking and very good quality mfg-BUT-unless there have been some MAJOR design changes I can't fathom a 1 hour change? Hope I'm wrong. I sold mine and went with a permanent cage. Damn chasing timeslips required the change. Goodluck and keep the pic's coming
My roll bars have tube clamps at all attachment points. I wanted to be able to leave the feet attached to the car and just take unscrew the tube clamps and take the hoops out. I realize that this means its not FIA legal but I am not at that stage yet. By the time I am actually competing in a few years the kids will be driving themselves and I won't need a back seat

Hope to do the rest of the install later today. A little worried about the fact that some fuel/brake lines are right by the passenger side plate. Will likely wrap them with tubing and zip tie it on. Do you remember what you did there? Don't want them to rub
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My roll bars have tube clamps at all attachment points. I wanted to be able to leave the feet attached to the car and just take unscrew the tube clamps and take the hoops out. I realize that this means its not FIA legal but I am not at that stage yet. By the time I am actually competing in a few years the kids will be driving themselves and I won't need a back seat

Hope to do the rest of the install later today. A little worried about the fact that some fuel/brake lines are right by the passenger side plate. Will likely wrap them with tubing and zip tie it on. Do you remember what you did there? Don't want them to rub
Actually closer to 2 years from install but I don't remember any rubbing issues with plates. I was pretty much a 'gopher' for a fabricator friend They are close though and you can't be too careful so some 'tubing wrap' and zip ties sound like good insurance. I understand your use of the 'tube clamps' but with my bar it had to be tweaked to be bolted in. I hope this doesn't lead to stress and alignment issues when you remove the bar from the 'feet'.
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First shot, putting the bar in.

Second shot, mostly in place, starting to drill holes

Third shot - damn backing plates didn't come pre-drilled so I have to figure out exactly where to drill them. Major PITA.

Starting to worry a bit because if there is any tension in the bar from the way it is mounted, I won't be able to put the tube clamps back together once I take them out (!!)

Fit is not perfect - some angles not right. May try putting on 4-5 washers as spacers between the car body and the mounting plates. Dunno. That will be tomorrow.
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Front brackets mounted. Took a while to get the holes lined up - not easy at all. Note the mis-drilled holes in the bottom plate in the attached pic. If it really bothers me I'll get new mounting plates - easy to swap off the bottom.

Still concerned with tension on the tube clamps so drilled out all the holes in the body to 7/16ths. I am mounting each plate exactly where it wants to be and shimming up behind all plates so that there is no tension. Hopefully will work.

Also got some thick rubber washers and will sandwich one between two regular washers behind the rear mounting plates, just to make sure the plates have at least a little flexibility. Don't think that would compromise crash performance because each plate is held in place with hardened steel nylock nuts. The rubber would just be between the plates and the body, to give a little flex.

Wrapped the brake lines and the fuel lines with rubber hose and ziptied. Took the shot below, and then decided to wrap it again with another layer just in case

With the two forward mounting plates torqued down tight, I wanted to test the attachment points. Undid the bolts holding the tube clamps together and the darn thing wouldn't separate. Had to hit it a bunch with a rubber mallet and eventually it popped apart. Paint jamming it up. Filed all connecting surfaces in the tube clamps flat and even beveled the edge a little just so that the surfaces can slip together easily. Once the filing is done, they connect very nicely and easily.

Will work on the rear mounting points tomorrow
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These are tube clamps. Both sides identical, the pieces slide together and then bolt in. In theory, a great idea. In practice, a bitch. They have to be exactly perfectly aligned to work. Am going to try beveling the edges by 5 thousandths to make installation and removal easier.
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Flex is not something I'd want on a bolt mounting location. Thats what allows a lateral shear load that could snap a bolt or increase the stress on the threads to the point of failure. I would have it rigid. Maybe its compressed enough it won't matter but when the whole point of the cage is safety I wouldn't compromise there.

The clamps would be far easier to align if they weren't fully welded in until after mock-up but I guess that ship has sailed.
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Flex is not something I'd want on a bolt mounting location. Thats what allows a lateral shear load that could snap a bolt or increase the stress on the threads to the point of failure. I would have it rigid. Maybe its compressed enough it won't matter but when the whole point of the cage is safety I wouldn't compromise there.

The clamps would be far easier to align if they weren't fully welded in until after mock-up but I guess that ship has sailed.
I hear you. For me, beveling the leading edges a bit so that the pieces can slip in place better is worth it. Won't change the bulk of the solid steel connection points, just entry points (so to speak). I'm pretty sure this would not compromise anything. It won't be flexible or loose once it's together.
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No I'm talking the rubber washers under the plate. Granted there's 4 bolts but the structural engineer in me says "Danger Will Robinson!" Over time any vibration/loosening could shear a bolt or the threads.
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No I'm talking the rubber washers under the plate. Granted there's 4 bolts but the structural engineer in me says "Danger Will Robinson!" Over time any vibration/loosening could shear a bolt or the threads.
Ah - gotcha. Yeah. We tried the rubber washers, didn't do any good (once compressed, maybe isolates some vibration but provides no flex.) Took 'em out. It's steel on steel now. Thanks for the suggestion - good point!
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OK cool. Even something as random as the different expansion/contraction rates from temperature between rubber and steel could be enough to cause slack. Or the rubber degrading over time. Then vibration will slowly compromise the bolt threads or generate lateral point loads and you'd never notice until that oh shit moment when you need the cage and they snap. Steel on steel all the way with some loctite after final mockup. Any flex will introduce some bad ju-ju so if you need flex to make it work rethink the mounting method.
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Beveling the tube clamps by even tiny amounts makes a huge difference in getting the bars in and out. But, once they are all the way in, they are locked solid. Really nice.

It takes 2 minutes for 2 guys to pick up the bar, walk it into the car, place the rears, bang a bit with a rubber mallet to get all the way in, place the fronts, bang them in. Huge difference from before.

A few minutes to thread in the bolts (2 per tube clamp) and it is ready to rock.

I need to do some final fit and finish this weekend around the mounting plates and adjusting the angles on one of the post a bit, but this is close to done now.
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Back from vacation. Going to try to finish this project. Roll bars do not line up right on the rear fenders (angle is off) and so need to be either spaced out or cut and re-welded. Going to visit a local guy who builds race cars tomorrow so we can get this finalized.
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Ever think about running http://www.sscc.us/ With that setup you could run the Grand sport cless with a tech(top speed)of 165 mph
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