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Old 03-12-2013, 10:22 AM   #1
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ZL1 vs n/a modded SS

What would win in a race a stock ZL1 or an SS with heads, cam, ud pully, ported tb?
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Old 03-12-2013, 12:39 PM   #2
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the ss would have to have supporting suspension mods but i dont see why one of lethal racings 500hp n/a monsters couldnt take a stock zl1 with the right supporting suspension/tire mods
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Old 03-12-2013, 02:26 PM   #3
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im cam only and street tires, makin 461/423 and run a 12.0 . thats on a 1400 da day. so ya a fully bolton cam heads would put a hurt on a zl1. in my opinion. but its gonna be close either way. this is drag racing only tho.

the extra weight and heat soak is killin the drag racing side of the zl1.
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:18 AM   #4
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im cam only and street tires, makin 461/423 and run a 12.0 . thats on a 1400 da day. so ya a fully bolton cam heads would put a hurt on a zl1. in my opinion. but its gonna be close either way. this is drag racing only tho.

the extra weight and heat soak is killin the drag racing side of the zl1.
With that time you would beat 95% of the stock ZL1s out there
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Old 03-13-2013, 07:23 AM   #5
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the ss would have to have supporting suspension mods but i dont see why one of lethal racings 500hp n/a monsters couldnt take a stock zl1 with the right supporting suspension/tire mods
For a drag race, not true. My KB Camaro was making 550+rwhp and no suspension mods and I was doing fine.
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I would line my SS up with any stock ZL1, I think it would be a good race.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:45 AM   #7
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A "race" is a bit vague to argue. It takes much more than increased hp to compete against a ZL, aside from aesthetics the cars a very different.
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Old 03-13-2013, 09:52 AM   #8
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Personally I feel a cammed SS would rip apart a ZL1 in a straight line. As a matter of fact a cammed SS would keep up with a GT500
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Ya a big cammed ss is gonna take a stock zl1 by a little bit! A head cam car would kill it. As long as were not talking a 13 gt500 then ya I would still put money on the SS! Add a few goodies to a zl1 and the Ss is getting killed though!
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I've beaten several ZL1s with my bolt ons setup. It's all about getting off the line fast.
Wouldn't want to try one at any other race than a 1/8 or 1/4 mile drag.
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I believe it, a bolton car with tires at the strip would be tuff to beat for a so so driver in the z.
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:00 PM   #12
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Personally I feel a cammed SS would rip apart a ZL1 in a straight line. As a matter of fact a cammed SS would keep up with a GT500
GT500 2013, hell no!!!!! Unless its a 500rwhp Camaro with all the supporting mods(gear, skinny, weight reduction,etc).

As for a ZL1, I think a vell prepped boltons SS can take it. A cammed one is a sure win.
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Old 03-17-2013, 02:55 PM   #13
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Makes me wish I would have bought an SS and thrown the extra $$ into mods. Oh well, too late now. Just have to mod the ZL1 I guess.
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:11 PM   #14
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I think it just depends on, the day, track and driver. The best fast list for a stock ZL1 so far is 11.7, and with a few bolt on's low 11's ...
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Makes me wish I would have bought an SS and thrown the extra $$ into mods. Oh well, too late now. Just have to mod the ZL1 I guess.
its not so much the car, ppl are figuring out let the oil temps get to opp temp . let the car cool off do a quick start up and quick lil burn out and hit it. if ppl started doing that it would help alot. the z is one hell of a car. its just in stock form its a good car . but it really comes alive with some simple mods. dont let ppl fool u.
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:44 PM   #16
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Makes me wish I would have bought an SS and thrown the extra $$ into mods. Oh well, too late now. Just have to mod the ZL1 I guess.
1/4th mile time is just one measure of the car. You can build a V6 to be faster than a stock ZL1 in the 1/4th mile, but it won't have all the extra stuff and probably won't compete in the road course without a lot of other mods that have to be swapped on. Even then, it will never compare to the ride you will get on the street. The ZL1 is an all the time all conditions performer.
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:31 PM   #17
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I think a auto heads/cam/stall SS with DR's making around 460RWHP would have no problem vs a ZL1 with DR's at the drag strip.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:34 AM   #18
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It also depends on who is driving. A guy in town has a '13 gt500, and he could not take me in my SS bolt on only.
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Old 03-18-2013, 12:17 PM   #19
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It also depends on who is driving. A guy in town has a '13 gt500, and he could not take me in my SS bolt on only.
Awesome, those are the posts I like to see.
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When I was cammed and full bolt ons with stock heads I hit high 11s and low 12s all night long. Best I've ever seen a ZL1 do is a 12.3 with average being 12.6-12.8
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Old 06-27-2013, 01:24 PM   #21
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When I was cammed and full bolt ons with stock heads I hit high 11s and low 12s all night long. Best I've ever seen a ZL1 do is a 12.3 with average being 12.6-12.8
What kind of power were you making and was that on P-zeros? I've been curious what my car would do in the 1/4 since I got the blower, but I haven't been to the track since last year. Back then, I was full bolt-ons and 3.70 gears and my best was 12.8 (although, I'm not a very experienced drag racer, so there was room for improvement). I was making about 350-ish rwhp. Now I'm at about 500 rwhp. I've wondered if I could make it out of the 12's with P-zeros.
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Old 07-21-2013, 01:10 AM   #22
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It also depends on who is driving. A guy in town has a '13 gt500, and he could not take me in my SS bolt on only.
That guy does not know how to drive his 13 GT500...... If he had his nannies off the car is actually slower(if you can't drive) as it wont hook until third, with the nannies on it hooks up better but you can feel the power loss in the engine as the ECM reduces the power to compensate for wheel-spin. If you know how to drive this car with the nannies off it flies.
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Old 07-21-2013, 04:25 PM   #23
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Makes me wish I would have bought an SS and thrown the extra $$ into mods. Oh well, too late now. Just have to mod the ZL1 I guess.
The LSA engine is much stouter than the LS3. Go with a 417 stroker (since your in there add a cam and forged internals), swap the 1.9 for a 2.3 maggie or whipple, and crank the boost up to about 14 psi and you are looking at 725-750 to the wheels my friend!
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Old 07-21-2013, 05:33 PM   #24
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Well my car makes 476 wheel which is ~560 crank. So 20 less than a ZL1 but it weighs less as well. Plus you have to factor in boost and such. I think I could take a bone stock one but once they do anything it's over. Especially a pulley.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:13 PM   #25
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My car is N/A with Lethal Racing Night Fury cam, Heads, LT Headers, Corsa, Vararam, and all supporting bolt ons. 508 RWHP. Seems to me that a ZL1 would have tough time getting around this one.
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