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Old 06-19-2009, 02:54 AM   #1
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OT: Radar Detector for your camaro?

Off Topic : Theres no doubt that most of us will be going over hte speed limit in our new toys.... i mean rides... but no one wants to get a speeding ticket... so are any of you getting radar dectors for your new cars? if so could you link me to a good one because ive never had one before but im thinking about getting one...
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Old 06-19-2009, 03:01 AM   #2
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These threads never end up well no matter what forum you are on. You have the Valentine 1 guys & the Passport Guys. Personally I have a V1 & a Passport 8500. I vote for Valentine 1. There is a new passport series with all kinds of bells & whistles, but for the price & the update ability on the V1, I say V1.

Detection range is about the same for both detectors, but the V1 is much brighter & louder, and that comes in handy to me due to owning loud cars & listening to loud music. Also I like the arrow's & bogey counter.
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All radar detectors do is tell you the Police already know how fast you're going. Save your money.
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All radar detectors do is tell you the Police already know how fast you're going. Save your money.

well if they tell u where the police are, then hmmm, wouldnt u slow down?
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well if they tell u where the police are, then hmmm, wouldnt u slow down?
i always thought the detectors would only work when the radar gun is actually on and pointed at you.... by that time, its pretty much too late, no?

And even if it works only when the cop has the radar ON, but pointed at someone else... he's already got it pointed at someone ELSE. i.e. not you... how are you supposed to slow down in the short amount of time between him pointing it at some crappy car and switching it to your eye catching camaro?
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This is my middle of the road detector, used for information/entertainment purposes only.

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Old 06-19-2009, 03:48 PM   #11
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can you tell me how you wired that to your car
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can you tell me how you wired that to your car
Right now I just have it plugged in to the front power outlet. I just ordered a hard wire cord with a inline fuse that I'll tie into a spare/empty fuse spot in the driver side fuse box. Very easy to access, right behind the panel next to the driver side left air vent. Just plug in a spade into the line side of the empty fuse spot and ground the negative. The inline fuse will be at the start of the circuit and buried behind the fuse box panel.
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Old 06-19-2009, 05:54 PM   #13
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i always thought the detectors would only work when the radar gun is actually on and pointed at you.... by that time, its pretty much too late, no?

And even if it works only when the cop has the radar ON, but pointed at someone else... he's already got it pointed at someone ELSE. i.e. not you... how are you supposed to slow down in the short amount of time between him pointing it at some crappy car and switching it to your eye catching camaro?
this is what i have always heard too, basically if you're radar detector is going off its too late.

for me its not a huge problem as I dont generally speed too much (cruise control 5 above) but i am curious as to the answer
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Detectors can warn you if they are tagging cars in front of or behind you. Yes if you are all alone on a deserted stretch of road and it goes off, well its letting you know you are about to see Red and Blues.
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i always thought the detectors would only work when the radar gun is actually on and pointed at you.... by that time, its pretty much too late, no?

And even if it works only when the cop has the radar ON, but pointed at someone else... he's already got it pointed at someone ELSE. i.e. not you... how are you supposed to slow down in the short amount of time between him pointing it at some crappy car and switching it to your eye catching camaro?
Yep. Detectors/jammers are good for one thing, to let you know about the cop hiding on the other side of the hill or around a blind curve clocking other drivers. Once your car has been tagged, it's too late.
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Old 06-19-2009, 06:28 PM   #16
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Also depends on the system they are using. If its radar, you have a few seconds to react. If its Lidar and it goes off, your nabbed.

There are some ways to delay Lidar backscatter. You can use a license protector sheet (almost all enforcement officers tag your front license with lidar), that has a scattering film. That will delay the signal back at the Lidar, which 'may' give you time to react. However, the enforcement officer will know that he's been scattered and WILL check your front license. It is illegal in most states to interfere with speed detection devices, so you may go from a minor speeding infraction to a much larger hit for obstruction of the law.
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Old 06-19-2009, 06:31 PM   #17
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On the radar detector subject - I have a question.

I plan to hang my radar detector clipped to the passenger side sun visor. I usaully just hardwire it by splicing into the 12v power from the autodimming mirror, and tuck the cabling into the headliner. This prevents having to go down the pillar and fish though the headliner.

Has anyone done this yet? If so, can you tell me which wires you used? Some of the wires are active all the time for the garage door/universal remote buttons, and the wire for the mirror should only come on when the car is on.

If no one has done this, I'll figure it out with a multimeter and post some instructions. I was just trying to save time.

My car should be here this week, and I will put the radar detector in within the first couple days.
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Old 06-19-2009, 06:51 PM   #18
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i always thought the detectors would only work when the radar gun is actually on and pointed at you.... by that time, its pretty much too late, no?

And even if it works only when the cop has the radar ON, but pointed at someone else... he's already got it pointed at someone ELSE. i.e. not you... how are you supposed to slow down in the short amount of time between him pointing it at some crappy car and switching it to your eye catching camaro?
Soo... Basically its like this..

There are three major types of speed detection in use.

Radar, which is a wide band detection. The officer just needs to be pointed in your general direction to catch your speed. However, they are not very accurate, and can be challenge in ~ 5-8 MPH. Most officers won't even bother stopping you unless they can tag you for 10 over using Radar.

A detector will pick up a radar that is turned on within its range, regardless if its pointed at you or not. Detectors have been very good at the radar signal for many years.

Next is Lidar. Lidar is a narrow wave detection beam, that needs to be pointed directly at your vehicle to clip a speed off it. The officer will not turn it on, until they have you in their sights. It also, only needs to be on for a few seconds, and your nabbed. It does require the beam to be pointed at the most reflective object on the car if they want a better distance, so the front license is tagged typically (all states use a highly reflective material just for this reason).

Lidar is almost impossible to dispute and is accurate up to 2 MPH. Unless you can baffle the officer and judge in the courtroom with physics, diagrams, and models, you're screwed. Most enforcement agencies have converted from Radar to Lidar by now because of this.

The only way to get around a Lidar reading is to jam/scatter the beam. There are a number of ways to do it, like flat black as a car color, obscuring your front license, etc.

So a detector pinging off a Lidar, will squak if you, or someone in your close proximity got painted with it. If you're behind someone, you may be able to slow down enough in time. If you're all alone, your toast. Also... watch out for LE that paint the car in front, but pull you over. They'll keep the reading on the car in front of you, and show it to you as your speed. They will do this tactic, because they can't pull you both over.

Microwave was also used as a detector signal, but a court ruling banned microwave speed detectors because of potential health problems. But Microwave was the most accurate based on speed and position.

So a detector isn't a complete waste of $$. Especially if your driving through some backwoods county sherrif area, that doesn't have Lidar yet.
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thanks shadow, that was actually really informative! Most of the times when I would think i'd need a detector would be in that open road scenario, so i think i will have to just try and rely on common sense and keep my eyes open lol. Thanks for the info
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Old 06-21-2009, 09:20 PM   #20
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Off Topic : Theres no doubt that most of us will be going over hte speed limit in our new toys.... i mean rides... but no one wants to get a speeding ticket... so are any of you getting radar dectors for your new cars? if so could you link me to a good one because ive never had one before but im thinking about getting one...
Right now the most bang for the buck is Escorts Ebay store selling factory refurbished 8500's for $150. I just picked one up to add to the fleet. The first one had a problem with excessive laser falsing but this was corrected under warranty. You can spend a little or a lot for protection. Stick with BEL, Escort or Valentine. You can debate brands and spend a ton on countermeasures but a good detector can provide cost effective protection. One good intercept pays for the unit. A junk unit is a waste of money on false security.

That said, the Mark 1 eyeball and a brain are the best defense. Read up on technique, use a "rabbit" and moderate yourself in traffic to avoid sticking out.

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i always thought the detectors would only work when the radar gun is actually on and pointed at you.... by that time, its pretty much too late, no?

And even if it works only when the cop has the radar ON, but pointed at someone else... he's already got it pointed at someone ELSE. i.e. not you... how are you supposed to slow down in the short amount of time between him pointing it at some crappy car and switching it to your eye catching camaro?
It all depends on what and how they are using.State trooper's in Texas use Ka band so when i go on long road trips it works well.I get a hit saying low power Ka band,then about 1/2 a mile(sometimes further) i come up on a trooper with someone pulled over.They leave theirs on,but Dallas city officers use Laser alot.That when you need the detector/jammer.It gives you time to slow down and turn off the jamming so they can get a reading,just a lower reading. Also you still have to use common sense,when coming to a hill that you don't know what's on the other side it's usually good to slow down , Blind corners too.
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Personally i have both an escort 8500 and a valentine 1. the V1 cost more but is worth every penny IMO. The V1 has better coverage, longer than the escort and it has a sensor that shoots out the back window of the car. I also love that it has a directional sensor with arrows to try and help point out where the signals are coming from. It will does a better job of filtering signals for what is actually a threat and will tell you how many signals are present. I will post pics soon but i got a blendmount for it as well and the install looks real clean. It hangs just under my rear view mirror with the power cord running up into the roof tucked down the a pillar. It allows the V1 to see all the raod in front and back of me. I have had my 2SS for 5 days now and i recently drove from detroit michigan to birmingham alabama (744 miles) and it worked like a dream. It found the cops with way more than enough warning for me to slow down and change lanes, which was frequent because it doesnt feel like a thing doing 90+ in that car because it is so smooth. I love it.
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Soo... Basically its like this..

Radar, which is a wide band detection. The officer just needs to be pointed in your general direction to catch your speed. However, they are not very accurate, and can be challenge in ~ 5-8 MPH. Most officers won't even bother stopping you unless they can tag you for 10 over using Radar.
Microwave was also used as a detector signal, but a court ruling banned microwave speed detectors because of potential health problems. But Microwave was the most accurate based on speed and position.
Hate to break this to you, but radar IS microwave.
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Old 06-26-2009, 02:21 AM   #24
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Guys, here is my two cents. As far as my credibility goes well i travel as a courier from indianapolis to st louis and back 4 days a week in a toyota corolla. Thats 570 miles round trip. So I did my research before buying and I ended up buying the vector 995 made by Beltronics, they also have the stealth sti which is pretty much my radar detector but stealth. I believe i paid 190$ for mine 2 yrs ago which is well worth it. You do not need a valentine unless the area in which you live is patrolled by laser, they are great for laser, but really how fast can you react. Every radar detector is different and make sure you get to know it before you rely on it. I usually travel 78-80 mph in a 65 on the interstate. I've traveled 210,000 miles, and no ticket. Really if you go any faster you can't slow down fast enough. The cops tend to give you 8-10 mph. So use this to your advantage.
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Personally i have both an escort 8500 and a valentine 1. the V1 cost more but is worth every penny IMO. The V1 has better coverage, longer than the escort and it has a sensor that shoots out the back window of the car. I also love that it has a directional sensor with arrows to try and help point out where the signals are coming from. It will does a better job of filtering signals for what is actually a threat and will tell you how many signals are present. I will post pics soon but i got a blendmount for it as well and the install looks real clean. It hangs just under my rear view mirror with the power cord running up into the roof tucked down the a pillar. It allows the V1 to see all the raod in front and back of me. I have had my 2SS for 5 days now and i recently drove from detroit michigan to birmingham alabama (744 miles) and it worked like a dream. It found the cops with way more than enough warning for me to slow down and change lanes, which was frequent because it doesnt feel like a thing doing 90+ in that car because it is so smooth. I love it.
I also have a V1 and I have 2 problems with it....1) too many false alarms...plain and simple, I have got into a few sticky situations because 1/2 the time I can't trust whether its a real threat or not...2) no red light/camera detection (ie gps). These are becoming more and more prevalent and GPS based detection of these is essential because they don't use radar to catch you, you just get a ticket in the mail weeks later.
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