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Old 05-29-2013, 10:13 PM   #601
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A new issue ive recently incountered. Would the Range cause a hesitant start? I started my car and it didn't start for a little while. After it did, it sounded real choppy for a little bit before it got back to normal.
We wouldn't affect anything except for the AFM. We don't have control over anything else.
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Old 05-29-2013, 10:16 PM   #602
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I dont know why so many people are having trouble with these? this little piece of heaven IMO is worth it! I have subs in my car and even though I have the car off, in sitting over a week the battery drains. so for me it would be common sense to unplug ANY accessory you have in/on your vehicle if you plan on having it sit for more than 72 hours. I need to get my range before they stop making them!
We will not stop making them. Frankly - we've been a little bit overwhelmed with the demand.

The Camaro is touchy. We love you guys but the car is tough. Trust us, this is the best solution that we have come to, thus far. You guys are pretty sophisticated about vehicles. For those who are not - the light thing is scary.

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Old 05-29-2013, 10:18 PM   #603
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Even if there were no glitches at all, I'd still un-plug it anyway....Then each time you forget to plug it back in, you'll appreciated it even more when you re-install it...lol...

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We will not stop making them. Frankly - we've been a little bit overwhelmed with the demand.

The Camaro is touchy. We love you guys but the car is tough. Trust us, this is the best solution that we have come to, thus far. You guys are pretty sophisticated about vehicles. For those who are not - the light thing is scary.

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i was joking about the not making them anymore part. i support you guys 100%
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So I figure since I am the “unofficial” range tester (LOL) I’d report back on the latest FW and some other issues people have encountered.

Version 3 seems to be the most stable. With version 1 & 2 I was able to replicate the lights at will, with version 3 I have only be able to get it to happen 1 time and that was shortly after receiving it. So while I think version 3 is a vast improvement there is still a chance, although much less likely you’ll experience the lights.

Regarding the lights, I have ZERO concern over them. I have both confirmed with the dealer and my own ODB reader that the codes do not show up. I have even scanned it while the lights were on and the scanner showed no codes. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, to clear the lights all you need to do is remove the key for about a minute and restart (no need to remove the device), this will clear the lights. Someone mentioned ealier in the thread to open and close the door as this help complete the electrical shutdown, I have done it both ways and it seems there is no difference.

Regarding the battery drain, I’ve had all the FW’s and all 3 at one time or another have been in the car for 2-3 days without starting and I have had no issue, but it was only 2-3 days. As with others a dying battery to me is more concerning then some random lights. It’s not often my car goes more than 3 days without starting but in can happened and I really don’t want to “have to” remember to pull the device, so I agree we need a fix for this. A switch would be nice or maybe just a complete shutdown of the unit although I am not sure either is possible. I am thinking I may keep the older version as I believe it draws less power but I am waiting from Range on this. Not sure how this will be addressed but I'd like to see some resolution to this issue.

Regarding the car not starting/rough start, I have yet to experience this so I cannot comment. What I will say is I have done extensive testing and I’m sure if it were the range device causing this it would have happened to me by now.

Regarding the cover coming off and the reliability of the ODB II port itself, I have had the device in and out many times, and never did the cover come off (but something IMO Range should look into if they are recommending frequent removal of the device). I think it’s because I grab the unit from the sides and not the font and back. So either do it this way or maybe put a zip tie on the cover, I would not glue the cover in case it ever has to be opened. As for the port itself, I have no idea on how long it would last with the unit going in and out a lot but this is a simple fix that both takes stress off the port and hides the unit. I am going to buy the below adaptor, these come in several sizes so it’s all about preference.

I still highly recommend the unit and would not hesitate to buy it again if needed. Any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.
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Old 05-30-2013, 12:45 PM   #606
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So I figure since I am the ďunofficialĒ range tester (LOL) Iíd report back on the latest FW and some other issues people have encountered.

Version 3 seems to be the most stable. With version 1 & 2 I was able to replicate the lights at will, with version 3 I have only be able to get it to happen 1 time and that was shortly after receiving it. So while I think version 3 is a vast improvement there is still a chance, although much less likely youíll experience the lights.

Regarding the lights, I have ZERO concern over them. I have both confirmed with the dealer and my own ODB reader that the codes do not show up. I have even scanned it while the lights were on and the scanner showed no codes. As I mentioned earlier in the tread, to clear the lights all you need to do is remove the key for about a minute and restart (no need to remove the device), this will clear the lights. Someone mentioned ealier in the thread to open and close the door as this help complete the electrical shutdown, I have done it both ways and it seems there is no difference.

Regarding the battery drain, Iíve had all the FWís and all 3 at one time or another have been in the car for 2-3 days without starting and I have had no issue, but it was only 2-3 days. As with others a dying battery to me is more concerning then some random lights. Itís not often my car goes more than 3 days without starting but in can happened and I really donít want to ďhave toĒ remember to pull the device, so I agree we need a fix for this. A switch would be nice or maybe just a complete shutdown of the unit although I am not sure either is possible. I am thinking I may keep the older version as I believe it draws less power but I am waiting from Range on this. Not sure how this will be addressed but I'd like to see some resolution to this issue.

Regarding the car not starting/rough start, I have yet to experience this so I cannot comment. What I will say is I have done extensive testing and Iím sure if it were the range device causing this it would have happened to me by now.

Regarding the cover coming off and the reliability of the ODB II port itself, I have had the device in and out many times, and never did the cover come off (but something IMO Range should look into if they are recommending frequent removal of the device). I think itís because I grab the unit from the sides and not the font and back. So either do it this way or maybe put a zip tie on the cover, I would not glue the cover in case it ever has to be opened. As for the port itself, I have no idea on how long it would last with the unit going in and out a lot but this is a simple fix that both takes stress off the port and hides the unit. I am going to buy the below adaptor, these come in several sizes so itís all about preference.

I still highly recommend the unit and would not hesitate to buy it again if needed. Any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.


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Old 05-30-2013, 01:01 PM   #607
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Old 05-31-2013, 07:09 PM   #608
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I am just going to keep my current version (2nd version I think). The battery drain on the latest version wouldnt work for me as it is not unusual for my car to go a few days without being driven plus when I do have it at work, I normally eat in my car for lunch with the radio on (draining the battery in itself). Not worth having to worry about unplugging it.
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Old 05-31-2013, 08:02 PM   #609
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I am just going to keep my current version (2nd version I think). The battery drain on the latest version wouldnt work for me as it is not unusual for my car to go a few days without being driven plus when I do have it at work, I normally eat in my car for lunch with the radio on (draining the battery in itself). Not worth having to worry about unplugging it.
Version 1 and 2 seem to drain to, although probably slower. Palmer has version 1 and his battery died.


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Old 05-31-2013, 08:07 PM   #610
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Version 1 and 2 will drain it to, although probably slower. Palmer has version 1 and his battery died.

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I guess the question is , exactly how much more drain does the latest version have than the other versions?

My car just sat with my version 2 plugged in for about 4 or 5 days and started no problem. I wasn't even aware that the first couple versions could have a continuous drain after the car was turned off.
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So I figure since I am the ďunofficialĒ range tester (LOL) Iíd report back on the latest FW and some other issues people have encountered.

Version 3 seems to be the most stable. With version 1 & 2 I was able to replicate the lights at will, with version 3 I have only be able to get it to happen 1 time and that was shortly after receiving it. So while I think version 3 is a vast improvement there is still a chance, although much less likely youíll experience the lights.

Regarding the lights, I have ZERO concern over them. I have both confirmed with the dealer and my own ODB reader that the codes do not show up. I have even scanned it while the lights were on and the scanner showed no codes. As I mentioned earlier in the thread, to clear the lights all you need to do is remove the key for about a minute and restart (no need to remove the device), this will clear the lights. Someone mentioned ealier in the thread to open and close the door as this help complete the electrical shutdown, I have done it both ways and it seems there is no difference.

Regarding the battery drain, Iíve had all the FWís and all 3 at one time or another have been in the car for 2-3 days without starting and I have had no issue, but it was only 2-3 days. As with others a dying battery to me is more concerning then some random lights. Itís not often my car goes more than 3 days without starting but in can happened and I really donít want to ďhave toĒ remember to pull the device, so I agree we need a fix for this. A switch would be nice or maybe just a complete shutdown of the unit although I am not sure either is possible. I am thinking I may keep the older version as I believe it draws less power but I am waiting from Range on this. Not sure how this will be addressed but I'd like to see some resolution to this issue.

Regarding the car not starting/rough start, I have yet to experience this so I cannot comment. What I will say is I have done extensive testing and Iím sure if it were the range device causing this it would have happened to me by now.

Regarding the cover coming off and the reliability of the ODB II port itself, I have had the device in and out many times, and never did the cover come off (but something IMO Range should look into if they are recommending frequent removal of the device). I think itís because I grab the unit from the sides and not the font and back. So either do it this way or maybe put a zip tie on the cover, I would not glue the cover in case it ever has to be opened. As for the port itself, I have no idea on how long it would last with the unit going in and out a lot but this is a simple fix that both takes stress off the port and hides the unit. I am going to buy the below adaptor, these come in several sizes so itís all about preference.

I still highly recommend the unit and would not hesitate to buy it again if needed. Any questions, please do not hesitate to ask.





Where can I pickup that adapter ?
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Old 05-31-2013, 08:29 PM   #612
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Where can I pickup that adapter ?
Hey,

Do a search on odbII extender, you'll come up with a ton of options.
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I have been using this since day one. It allows me to tuck the unit into the "pocket" above and to the left of the drivers left foot. No problems with it at all.
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I guess the question is , exactly how much more drain does the latest version have than the other versions?

My car just sat with my version 2 plugged in for about 4 or 5 days and started no problem. I wasn't even aware that the first couple versions could have a continuous drain after the car was turned off.


I have left the device plugged for 5 days mon-fri and car started just fine. I guess im a lil confused now as i thought it had on/off logic. Is that not the case? If its draining the batter is it that its turning on when the car is completly off? Where is it drawing power to do that if car is off?
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I really want one, but I would like to see some improvements. I would be upset finding the battery dead, because I forgot to pull it out..
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Old 06-01-2013, 01:52 PM   #616
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If I order mine this month, is there a specific firmware version I will receive? I also have noticed some pictures of the Range device have a bluish LED glow and others have a orange-like color to it. Is it random the color or firmware I will receive?
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:21 PM   #617
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If I order mine this month, is there a specific firmware version I will receive? I also have noticed some pictures of the Range device have a bluish LED glow and others have a orange-like color to it. Is it random the color or firmware I will receive?
I believe the blue is the AFM Deactivator; and red is the AFM Activator
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Old 06-01-2013, 08:41 PM   #618
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I believe the blue is the AFM Deactivator; and red is the AFM Activator
I've only seen and know of the blue color.


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Old 06-02-2013, 10:49 AM   #619
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i just recieved mine yesterdad what firmware do i have pluged in and drove i love it just read reviews and went and took out scared to use after reading all this stuff my sku #is ra003
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i just recieved mine yesterdad what firmware do i have pluged in and drove i love it just read reviews and went and took out scared to use after reading all this stuff my sku #is ra003
Scared if what? There is no reason to remove it unless the car will sit for a period of time.


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I still highly recommend the unit and would not hesitate to buy it again if needed.
Same here. I am disappointed that it needs to be unplugged during extended periods (more than 3 days) of not starting the car though. As stated earlier, my car sat for 8 days and the battery was dead. Nothing. Couldn't even unlock the doors with remote. Something I'll just have to be aware of, I guess.
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Same here. I am disappointed that it needs to be unplugged during extended periods (more than 3 days) of not starting the car though. As stated earlier, my car sat for 8 days and the battery was dead. Nothing. Couldn't even unlock the doors with remote. Something I'll just have to be aware of, I guess.
What version was it?
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What version was it?
He got the very 1st unit, so version 1.


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Same here. I am disappointed that it needs to be unplugged during extended periods (more than 3 days) of not starting the car though. As stated earlier, my car sat for 8 days and the battery was dead. Nothing. Couldn't even unlock the doors with remote. Something I'll just have to be aware of, I guess.
Hey Palmer:
Your version should not drain the battery. The first two firmware versions have hard off logic. I've had my truck parked for 20 days. Started no problem.

The latest version will almost completely eliminate the lights problem. There is a small drain on the battery. If you plan to store your vehicle for 3-4 days, please remove the device.

We feel that this is the best compromise for AFM deactivation with no warranty concerns. Given that I answer most of the customer service calls (as some of you know) - I feel more comfortable eliminating the potential for CELs, etc. Most of the folks running our product are daily drivers, so battery doesn't seem to be a huge deal. Again, if you have the earlier firmware - you are welcome to keep it.

While we will continue to try to make our device better - we know now that we can't eliminate the lights without a bit of power draw. For those on the fence, this is likely as refined as we will be able to deliver. The power steering communication on this vehicle is just fickle.

Thanks again, guys. Lastly - we're bringing Summit on as a dealer and we will most likely have to sunset the CAMARO5 discount in order to maintain pricing. We probably only have 2 more weeks that we can offer that.

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