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Old 04-01-2013, 06:53 PM   #676
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We all thought that about the Z06, ZR1,and the ZL1. After the first year dealers had them in there show rooms at discounted prices. Right now there are two dealers within 30 miles of my house that have ZL1s for under invoice and the last time I was in Fort Lauderdale you could buy a new ZR1 for $13,000 under sticker. If you want one you will be able to get one, maybe just not the very first ones.
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I don't understand why so many are hammering this vehicle. It is built for track purposes. If you want a daily driver, get a SS or a V6. The Z/28 is not build specifically for daily driver purposes. It can be, but with all the components going into this vehicle.. It is built to kick ass on the track.

Scott, Al, and the Camaro team pretty much did everything we had on our Z/28 list. Applause to them.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:32 PM   #678
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maybe no ZL1 , lets see how fast people attitude will change and now everyone will want the Z28 after ripping on the SS shown yesterday
It's actually amazing how much losing that stupid strip of chrome helps the overall appearance of the car.

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Old 04-02-2013, 09:43 PM   #679
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I don't understand why so many are hammering this vehicle. It is built for track purposes. If you want a daily driver, get a SS or a V6. The Z/28 is not build specifically for daily driver purposes. It can be, but with all the components going into this vehicle.. It is built to kick ass on the track.

Scott, Al, and the Camaro team pretty much did everything we had on our Z/28 list. Applause to them.
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Old 04-02-2013, 11:34 PM   #680
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The only problem I have with the refresh, not really Z/28 related, is that they were too lazy to do the same to the ZL1 front end. Aerodynamics sounds like a complete copout to me... And word Mr. Wyndham. How the f do people not understand whay the frack the Z/28 was designed for. Chevy said it... At least 100 forum members have said it... Seriously people...
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Old 04-03-2013, 02:14 PM   #681
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The only problem I have with the refresh, not really Z/28 related, is that they were too lazy to do the same to the ZL1 front end. Aerodynamics sounds like a complete copout to me... And word Mr. Wyndham. How the f do people not understand whay the frack the Z/28 was designed for. Chevy said it... At least 100 forum members have said it... Seriously people...
Not lazy...not a copout. Aerodynamics.

The ZL1 will get the new rear end, with a specific diffuser...but the front end and hood stays for functional reasons. (And I'm sure...because it looks badass)
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.....it's going to be difficult to get with a Spring '14 build, and then maybe a full year build before the model change. I am seriously contemplating trading in my ZL1 for it. I am really enamoured by this vehicle. Awesome....awesome ride....now, getting an allocation. That's the fly in the ointment.
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Old 04-04-2013, 09:20 AM   #683
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:59 AM   #684
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Not lazy...not a copout. Aerodynamics.

The ZL1 will get the new rear end, with a specific diffuser...but the front end and hood stays for functional reasons. (And I'm sure...because it looks badass)
It's a complete copout. You cannot tell me that they couldn't make the ZL1 aerodynamics work with a new front fascia. Yes it would require a different look but to deny that it's lazy is if ignorant. It is lazy, they looked at the ZL1 and said "hmm we don't want to redo the design it testing for aerodynamics with the front fascia... Let it look like the old model no big deal."

The stupid part is they are putting the ugly part (IMHO) of the refresh on the ZL1. It doesn't matter anyways since I won't trade either of my cars for anything past a 13'...

If Ford kept the 2009 front end on only the GT500 and updated the backend they would get crucified...
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It's a complete copout. You cannot tell me that they couldn't make the ZL1 aerodynamics work with a new front fascia. Yes it would require a different look but to deny that it's lazy is if ignorant. It is lazy, they looked at the ZL1 and said "hmm we don't want to redo the design it testing for aerodynamics with the front fascia... Let it look like the old model no big deal."

The stupid part is they are putting the ugly part (IMHO) of the refresh on the ZL1. It doesn't matter anyways since I won't trade either of my cars for anything past a 13'...

If Ford kept the 2009 front end on only the GT500 and updated the backend they would get crucified...
I just don't agree. And I'm sorry you feel that way...especially since you appear to be making assumptions without having any first-hand knowledge of meetings held or discussions with the designers/engineers.
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They are leaving the front end the same on the ZL1? That's strange. It's not going I match the rest of the lineup.
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Just some thoughts:

To me the new front fascia upper grille seems to have less area which I suspect would offer less cooling on a car where heat is already somewhat of an issue. Assuming that is true they are not going to hurt the performance by updating the cosmetics. It is also possible the downforce levels would be changed in a negative way as the ZL1 hood is different from the new vented hood. So I don't think it is being lazy, just knowing they perfected the design already and don't want to mess with it. Clearly they took cues from the ZL1 for the new fascia.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:42 PM   #688
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I just don't agree. And I'm sorry you feel that way...especially since you appear to be making assumptions without having any first-hand knowledge of meetings held or discussions with the designers/engineers.
You are entitled to your opinion and I can see, the ZL1 having cooling problems as it is, how them shrinking the top grill would only make things worse. They could adjust the aerodynamics, that's a fact. It would affect certain things yes but if they really wanted to they could have given the ZL1 a new front end.

Regardless it is going to look kinda ridiculous with the new rear end with the old front. I despise everything about the new rear end though so I might be bias...
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Agree to disagree. I don't think it'll look ridiculous...haven't heard anyone complaining about the ZL1's nose. If anything, it might look more purposeful and more distinct.

Personally, I was actually pretty interested to know why the Z/28s front end wasn't changed a little more from the normal piece.

One thing is true, as was mentioned in here...They learned/discovered that when the lower opening is bigger than the upper opening, the car takes on a more lean, sporty look. They learned this from the ZL1...the lower grille for which was designed to function...and function demanded BIG. So in effect, the ZL1's front end could be considered "in between" the original design and the refresh.

EDIT: Also...no cooling "problems" for ZL1 in OE form. Higher cooling needs, sure, due to the blower and higher overall power...but most of the cooling air for the heat exchanger comes from the lower air dam, anyways.
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I would safely say the Z/28 was tested in a wind tunnel, they would not go through the front and rear design changes the way they just for funsies or on a whim. The ZL1 was extensively tested in a wind tunnel, the tailight changes have not been disclosed, nor the shape or design of the rear fascia, decklid, spoiler, lower aero panel and rear diffuser. The rear would reflect the style refresh of the 2014 is all they said. Lets wait and see before anyone passes harsh judgement. Let's not jump the gun.
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Old 04-06-2013, 08:05 PM   #691
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I always said I can live without my A/C but what about rainy days it's hot? Also, I have always had a nice sound system in my car but after hearing the V8 turning on and accelerating in these cars I don't really care about it (the sound system) anymore. No HID's either. Hmm! I can sacrifice that. Especially with the ceramic brakes. I have always said with other cars, especially luxury cars, I'll give up the heated steering wheel in exchange for dual exhaust. A little bit of sacrifices but I'm sold!
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Old 04-08-2013, 09:12 PM   #692
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The z28 is the only way I will change my vote from dislike to holy f I love.... Great work GM.
anyone know the msrp for the 2014 2z8?
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anyone know the msrp for the 2014 2z8?
No. We could possibly be a year away from knowing it. You won't miss it on this site once its announced.
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Have the colors been released yet. I have only found mention of there being 5 choices.
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Stick shift only.
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Have the colors been released yet. I have only found mention of there being 5 choices.
As of right now those are the only colors being offered.
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What were the 5 colors though?
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Agree to disagree. I don't think it'll look ridiculous...haven't heard anyone complaining about the ZL1's nose. If anything, it might look more purposeful and more distinct.

Personally, I was actually pretty interested to know why the Z/28s front end wasn't changed a little more from the normal piece.

One thing is true, as was mentioned in here...They learned/discovered that when the lower opening is bigger than the upper opening, the car takes on a more lean, sporty look. They learned this from the ZL1...the lower grille for which was designed to function...and function demanded BIG. So in effect, the ZL1's front end could be considered "in between" the original design and the refresh.

EDIT: Also...no cooling "problems" for ZL1 in OE form. Higher cooling needs, sure, due to the blower and higher overall power...but most of the cooling air for the heat exchanger comes from the lower air dam, anyways.
The ZL1 front end is ahead of its time. Just a classic front end.
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What were the 5 colors though?
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285431

Look at the first PDF. Lots of good info. I believe they were Black, Silver Ice Metallic, Ashen Grey, Summit White, and Red Hot.
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