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Old 03-27-2013, 01:01 PM   #1
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2014 Z/28 vs ZL1

Any thoughts.. Might be too early to tell as we dont know how much weight was cut off the Z/28 but worth talking about..
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:11 AM   #2
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The Z/28 will be around 3800 lbs, 300 less than the ZL1 while its down some 70 hp.
I'd give the ZL1 the advantage in a straight line, the Z/28 will have the advantage on a road course.
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:47 AM   #3
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Z/28 will have a better gear ratio although being down 70 hp it will accelerate through the gears better and hook better IMO....
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Z/28 for the win, less weight, lower rear gear.
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Old 03-31-2013, 03:19 AM   #5
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We've got a long time to wait. No doubt the Z/28 will be the king at the track but the strip might be a different story.. With the technology the ZL1 has, launch control, MR, ect.. I give the upper hand to the ZL1.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:52 PM   #6
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I don't understand the z/28.... stripped out, no ac, etc. Yet still weighs 3800 lbs !! Damn. lol, it's like trying to make a really fat chic athletic by removing some leg fat. Yeah she's lighter but didn't really change anything. Like a 400 lb person bragging about losing 30 lbs.

I don't understand why GM can't engineer a car better then that, it's simply ridiculous. 500 hp dry sump ls7 ? GM made 505 in the Ls7 Z06 nearly a decade ago.... c'mon! Yeah I know they have issues working with the outdated Zeta platform, but that's just laziness.... ford gets 444 hp from the 302 and gm gets 500 hp from their 427. Ford guys have nothing to worry about.
as soon as the ricer math comes out you fail.
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Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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I don't understand the z/28.... stripped out, no ac, etc. Yet still weighs 3800 lbs !! Damn. lol, it's like trying to make a really fat chic athletic by removing some leg fat. Yeah she's lighter but didn't really change anything. Like a 400 lb person bragging about losing 30 lbs.

I don't understand why GM can't engineer a car better then that, it's simply ridiculous. 500 hp dry sump ls7 ? GM made 505 in the Ls7 Z06 nearly a decade ago.... c'mon! Yeah I know they have issues working with the outdated Zeta platform, but that's just laziness.... ford gets 444 hp from the 302 and gm gets 500 hp from their 427. Ford guys have nothing to worry about.
Yes, Chevrolet went with the Zeta platform at the time which was basically all they had to use the Camaro for, which is also used for sedans. Yes it is heavy, and there is only so much you can do with the platform. Its not like the Mustang chasis, which is mustang only.

The Z/28 adds all the extra track equipment, like coolers, as well as the strengthened and heavier driveline the ZL1 has, but yet is 300 lbs less. I'd imagine it it didn't have these extras, you'd be looking at 400 - 500 lbs lost at least!

By the way the Z/28 will murder, rape, insert whatever other dominating word you can think of here, any ford product where it is meant to compete...on the track...with turns.

GM has proven they can engineer a superb light chasis....hence the Alpha platform which has a long and short wheelbase version.

My God man. Used to have an ounce of respect for you, but lately you've just gotten annoying. Keep it up and we can easily punt you off the site.

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They both win imo. They are both awesome Camaros.
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You and I don't agree much, but amen brother.
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as soon as the ricer math comes out you fail.
I can't stop laughing everytime you post....that dude's comment at the bottom about the Z06 automatic has me rolling. Its still as funny as the day he posted it. And Ford has nothing for the Camaro in turns...the GT500 keeps up ok on a few tracks. Until they put a real suspension under it. Gonna be hard for them to compete stock for stock. And I don't see Ford coming out with a competitor for the Z28...I wouldnt pay 70,000+ for a mustang
But for the question at hand...the Z28 is going to beat the ZL1 at everything. People have already shown they can get better times without LC so thats moot. And I don't know much about the Pirelli's that are on the Z. But the loss of 300+ pounds and the tires should put in in the win column for the strip also
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I can't stop laughing everytime you post....that dude's comment at the bottom about the Z06 automatic has me rolling. Its still as funny as the day he posted it. And Ford has nothing for the Camaro in turns...the GT500 keeps up ok on a few tracks. Until they put a real suspension under it. Gonna be hard for them to compete stock for stock. And I don't see Ford coming out with a competitor for the Z28...I wouldnt pay 70,000+ for a mustang
But for the question at hand...the Z28 is going to beat the ZL1 at everything. People have already shown they can get better times without LC so thats moot. And I don't know much about the Pirelli's that are on the Z. But the loss of 300+ pounds and the tires should put in in the win column for the strip also
i haven't seen him around much since that comment

what confuses me about the z\28 is the weight. only 300 pounds less than the zl1 with all that weight reduction, and it doesn't even have the heavier rear diff and shafts? sounds like it should be 300 pounds less than an ss...
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Couple months ago we a few of us were at the track playing with one of my buddies 2010 Z06 automatic.Between 4 of us NO ONE was able to get out of the 12's.

I believe torque managnent was killing us that night, when launching the car would take off and fall flat on it's face.
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Yes, Chevrolet went with the Zeta platform at the time which was basically all they had to use the Camaro for, which is also used for sedans. Yes it is heavy, and there is only so much you can do with the platform. Its not like the Mustang chasis, which is mustang only.

The Z/28 adds all the extra track equipment, like coolers, as well as the strengthened and heavier driveline the ZL1 has, but yet is 300 lbs less. I'd imagine it it didn't have these extras, you'd be looking at 400 - 500 lbs lost at least!

By the way the Z/28 will murder, rape, insert whatever other dominating word you can think of here, any ford product where it is meant to compete...on the track...with turns.

GM has proven they can engineer a superb light chasis....hence the Alpha platform which has a long and short wheelbase version.

My God man. Used to have an ounce of respect for you, but lately you've just gotten annoying. Keep it up and we can easily punt you off the site.

You've worn out your welcome around here.
Actually the Mustang Chasis is also based on a sedan platform, the one the underpinned the Lincoln LS and Jaguar S-Type 5 years before the Mustang. Mind you the Mustangs version is quite modified including the exclusion of the IRS.


Back to the subject at hand, Z28 in all performance contests, some by a little, some by a lot.
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And Ford has nothing for the Camaro in turns...the GT500 keeps up ok on a few tracks. Until they put a real suspension under it.
That is true brother.
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That 444Hp boss you mention gets trounced by the fat girl Zl1. It'll be the same with the z28. Maybe we should throw a G37 into the mix so both ford & chevy will have something to beat up on.
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i haven't seen him around much since that comment

what confuses me about the z\28 is the weight. only 300 pounds less than the zl1 with all that weight reduction, and it doesn't even have the heavier rear diff and shafts? sounds like it should be 300 pounds less than an ss...
Brakes are heavier but wheels lighter, so its a draw here.. But the lighter glass, less option and some weight stripped out should be a good 100lbs off..
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Street/Strip ford owns......track --> chevy owns. Went to the dragstrip tuesday night my friend's 13 automatic 5.0 premium with a tune from aed, cai and axleback running 11.2 on the stock pirelli's. I didn't see any Camaro ss's that night running anything even remotely close to that and some had cams and whatever else. Next mustang will be very interesting for sure. That new Z28 is going to be a beast on the track plus it's damn good looking!
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Street/Strip ford owns......track --> chevy owns.
Okay have to ask... Do you really have an original GNX, meaning not a Grand National turned into a GNX look alike?
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11.2??? You mean 12.2 right? At 11.2 that's the fastest bolt on 5.0 in the galaxy.
11.2 in the 1,000 foot mark maybe....
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That 444Hp boss you mention gets trounced by the fat girl Zl1. It'll be the same with the z28. Maybe we should throw a G37 into the mix so both ford & chevy will have something to beat up on.
Or...put a 5.0 in a G37????? WHAT??!! DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND??!?!?!



But seriously...yeah, Ford needs to lay off the marketing the horsepower and stop milking a 15 year old platform. I'm tired of submitting to internet argument about road course times. That's right...can't even argue that stuff on the internet.
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Or...put a 5.0 in a G37????? WHAT??!! DID I JUST BLOW YOUR MIND??!?!?!



But seriously...yeah, Ford needs to lay off the marketing the horsepower and stop milking a 15 year old platform. I'm tired of submitting to internet argument about road course times. That's right...can't even argue that stuff on the internet.
5.0 ?? Ain't nobody got time for that!

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5.0 ?? Ain't nobody got time for that!

LSx swap!


Reminds me of an appropriate joke I once heard. It involves comparing the difference between a person who tends to have a perpetual sunburn between their back and head & their possession of a chevy small block to a mentally handicapped individual taking a popular medication (sold by pfizer) for men which improves blood-flow to a particular area of their anatomy. The punch line was "Nothing, they'll stick it in anything"

I'll let the rest of you figure out the concise version for yourselves.
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11.2??? You mean 12.2 right? At 11.2 that's the fastest bolt on 5.0 in the galaxy.
I forgot he also has a Boss 302 intake (good for 7500 rpms and 25+ hp)....He ran a 11.2, not 12.2 ..I was shocked.
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Okay have to ask... Do you really have an original GNX, meaning not a Grand National turned into a GNX look alike?
I have an original GNX # 245 but I'm thinking about selling it for something newer. It's not my daily driver of course and I bought in 1996.
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Any thoughts.. Might be too early to tell as we dont know how much weight was cut off the Z/28 but worth talking about..
Chevy says Z/28 is three seconds faster around a track...

I'm betting the ZL1 might have the lead in a drag race...

ZL1 will be more comfortable to drive on the road, but the Z/28 will feel more direct...

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