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Old 04-04-2013, 10:13 AM   #324
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Common cars come at common prices . This is a legendary z /28 , cost somewhere in the 70's . Let's be realistic
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:20 AM   #325
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"the accountants will surely be convinced to follow that guideline with cheer and goodwill toward fellow consumer enthusiasts....(not)"



Providing a reliable product, that performs, at a fair price is how GM once had brand loyalty that locked up 50% of the NA car market (now less than 20% +/-)

There is a way to build a brand that achieves a higher level of Customer loyalty and trust. I have suggested one, many others are possible.

It will never be back to what it was because the Consumer has changed, we have created what we are getting (buying offshore made goods just to stretch the dollar with no thought towards the consequences).

You are right why should GM extend any goodwill if we do not provide any loyalty in return, we are the mercenaries that will jump ship for a better deal at XYZ brand.

If one side or the other extends an olive branch (trust) first good times may reappear in America

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Old 04-04-2013, 10:23 AM   #326
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While GM may not be too concerned with selling high volume of these cars and at a steep profit, they certainly are not going to take a loss on them either..my guess..$64,995 oh yeah, plus GG TAX!

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Old 04-04-2013, 10:29 AM   #327
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Whatever it will be I don't believe it will be more than the ZL1
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:33 AM   #328
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Its going to cost more than the ZL1, I believe GM already stated that or something similiar with it being slotted above the ZL1.

As others said, this car has so many exclusive go fast goodies in it, all of those come at price.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:35 AM   #329
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Whatever it will be I don't believe it will be more than the ZL1
I don't know why you wouldn't believe that it's going to be more than the ZL1, since GM has already said it's going to be.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:36 AM   #330
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$ 64,995 is better than 70K or 75K

Now anyone with a $ 60,995?

GM can make a boat load from racing accessories dedicated to the Z28, even with just having re-branded current product manufactures in their catalog.

Sell the Z28 at cost, make the money on the the 10's of thousands of dollars of consumables required to track it.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:40 AM   #331
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$ 64,995 is better than 70K or 75K

Now anyone with a $ 60,995?

GM can make a boat load from racing accessories dedicated to the Z28, even with just having re-branded current product manufactures in their catalog.

Sell the Z28 at cost, make the money on the the 10's of thousands of dollars of consumables required to track it.
Don't forget the clone builders....

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Old 04-04-2013, 10:42 AM   #332
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...that's the ticket......post how much we are wliling to pay, the accountants will surely be convinced to follow that guideline with cheer and goodwill toward fellow consumer enthusiasts....(not)
You're easily one of my favorite members on this site!!

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Old 04-04-2013, 11:04 AM   #333
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"the accountants will surely be convinced to follow that guideline with cheer and goodwill toward fellow consumer enthusiasts....(not)"



Providing a reliable product, that performs, at a fair price is how GM once had brand loyalty that locked up 50% of the NA car market (now less than 20% +/-)

There is a way to build a brand that achieves a higher level of Customer loyalty and trust. I have suggested one, many others are possible.

It will never be back to what it was because the Consumer has changed, we have created what we are getting (buying offshore made goods just to stretch the dollar with no thought towards the consequences).

You are right why should GM extend any goodwill if we do not provide any loyalty in return, we are the mercenaries that will jump ship for a better deal at XYZ brand.

If one side or the other extends an olive branch (trust) first good times may reappear in America

Take a dose of optimism twice a day, I guarantee you will feel better in the morning.
Actually, realism is the best approach, and although I like your rose colored glasses approach, it won't work. Maybe I agree with "we are getting what we created" in one aspect. WE asked for this car, gave our expectations and requests from a collectors standpoint and input,...but, they, GM, can't give away the candy store after creating a monumental machine, based principally upon our requests, because we don't have the expendable income to afford it. It's a purpose built one off ride. And no one should bitch about how many they make, or what the price is.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:05 AM   #334
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$ 64,995 is better than 70K or 75K

Now anyone with a $ 60,995?

GM can make a boat load from racing accessories dedicated to the Z28, even with just having re-branded current product manufactures in their catalog.

Sell the Z28 at cost, make the money on the the 10's of thousands of dollars of consumables required to track it.
Yeah , somewhere in that neighborhood . If 5,000 dollar difference make or break u then maybe you can't afford it in generally speaking. Like I said lets be realistic
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:36 AM   #335
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"Actually, realism is the best approach, and although I like your rose colored glasses approach, it won't work. Maybe I agree with "we are getting what we created" in one aspect. WE asked for this car, gave our expectations and requests from a collectors standpoint and input,...but, they, GM, can't give away the candy store after creating a monumental machine, based principally upon our requests, because we don't have the expendable income to afford it. It's a purpose built one off ride. And no one should bitch about how many they make, or what the price is." __________________

Correct the Collector/Speculator can pay what the market will bear, I was thinking about the racer instead.
No classification yet but I think the Z28 would be competitive against 911's (the tamer of the many RS3 versions), and the special light weight M3's, perhaps even stock Ferrari's.

I just thought if one where to put forth the effort, time and money to compete in a racing series at a high level, they could at least subsidize the initial purchase price of the car. Other manufacturers do it as well.

My use of the word of "goodwill" was misplaced as you so appropriately pointed out (I admit I laughed at how efficiently you shot down my notion) any decision on GM's part will be based on a solid business case or marketing campaign.

The only "goodwill" one can expect from GM is a yearly donation to the United Way or other worthy cause.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:48 AM   #336
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"Don't forget the clone builders...."


Good point, If GM only produces 10% to 20% of actual demand, clones will be a good business if costs can be kept in check by using some cheaper knock offs.

As we all know buying the parts alone (from GM) costs more than the complete package, then the clone builder needs to mark up and cover labor.

However, there are many offshore manufacturers that can digitize and copy any part made in the US (except for ceramic rotors, only a few capable suppliers out there)
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:59 AM   #337
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:28 PM   #338
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"Don't forget the clone builders...."


Good point, If GM only produces 10% to 20% of actual demand, clones will be a good business if costs can be kept in check by using some cheaper knock offs.

As we all know buying the parts alone (from GM) costs more than the complete package, then the clone builder needs to mark up and cover labor.

However, there are many offshore manufacturers that can digitize and copy any part made in the US (except for ceramic rotors, only a few capable suppliers out there)
I was thinking more of the modding Camaro owners.... buying fender flairs, spoilers, and other cosmetic Z/28 parts (think ZL1 front fascia craze). Then some will want the wheels and maybe some suspension parts... (think 1LE)

I doubt GM anticipated the amount of extra ZL1 fascias they'd sell. Stands to reason many of the Z/28 parts will trickle down into the rest of the line up.

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Old 04-04-2013, 12:29 PM   #339
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LS7 (w/ dry sump) + 4k
Carbon Ceramic Brakes + 6-8k ( yes Carbon Ceramic Brakes are that expensive )
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19" Forged Wheels + 2k ( the optional 21's are 700 ea i find this conservative )
High Performance Track tires + $500
Bits of shiny Carbon fibre + 2k
Limited production + God knows how much

and this is not including all the other changes just the big ones

I say $61,995+ EASILY and I think that is a conservative guess

Oh and that is before your friendly neighborhood Chevrolet dealership mark up!
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Old 04-04-2013, 01:11 PM   #340
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I think GM should still derive many benefits even if sold at a loss, there would be a stampede of potential buyers originally looking at a Boss or GT500.
While it may be true...in terms of technological advances, performance lessons learned, and maybe even a chest-thumping factor....

Not gonna happen. No way...

EDIT: Btw...the dry sump system is extra $$ on top of the LS7 itself...
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