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Old 09-02-2013, 11:50 AM   #1
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Anyone ever hear of New World gas ?

We just had a new gas/mini mart open in my area. The gas is New World gas. The prices are low compared to surrounding Sunoco and Shell stations: $3.49/gal for 87 if you pay cash and $3.59/gal for credit. I believe the 93 octane was around $3.81...

I never heard of New World gas and don't want to put inferior fuel in my car. Has anyone heard of them ?

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We just had a new gas/mini mart open in my area. The gas is New World gas. The prices are low compared to surrounding Sunoco and Shell stations: $3.49/gal for 87 if you pay cash and $3.59/gal for credit. I believe the 93 octane was around $3.81...

I never heard of New World gas and don't want to put inferior fuel in my car. Has anyone heard of them ?

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Different companies put different things into their gas.. I would do research about it first.
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New market / gas station , they need to be lower than the competition in order to bring people in

Gas is a highly goverment controlled and complex production / regulations etc
Most of the gas come from the very same refinery , and as it leaves the fuel depot , differents brands add differents additives , that's all there is to it
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just hope their not affiliated to the new world order
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Maybe they are getting gas from the new world?
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If it does not say "top-Tier" gas then you dont know what you are getting . That is why GM recommends it .
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so wrong . do some research, I did and learned a lot
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Different companies put different things into their gas.. I would do research about it first.

yea, about 5 gallons per 10k gallon tanker trunk. it's all the same
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If it does not say "top-Tier" gas then you dont know what you are getting . That is why GM recommends it .

yes you do. you know you are getting gas that is 99.99999999% the same as the gas at every other station in your area. every retail outlet in your area is buying their gas from one of only a couple distributors. drive buy the nearest wholesale distributor and you'll see trucks from every retailer there filling up.
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yes you do. you know you are getting gas that is 99.99999999% the same as the gas at every other station in your area. every retail outlet in your area is buying their gas from one of only a couple distributors. drive buy the nearest wholesale distributor and you'll see trucks from every retailer there filling up.
Well i live in Louisiana, where alot of oil comes from (the gulf). And we have refineries galore down here. All owned by different companies, Citgo, ExxonMobil, Conoco, Valero, Shell, etc.

Each one of those companies refines their own crude oil into their own gasoline, then adds their own additives, and sells it at their own gas stations.

Im not saying the fuels are very different but they dont all come from one or two refineries and change the name. Shell may have a more stringent refining process with more regulations or standards, than the conoco one for example.

Its my impression that the big gas stations refine their own, where the no name ones like "Discount Zone" or "Race Trac" just take what they can get from anywhere that will give it.

I personally believe that you cant go wrong with any of the bigger names like Shell, Exxon, etc.

Edit: After reading an article done by a chemist, it reinforces some of my points and answers some of the ones im unsure on: http://www.vettenet.org/octane.html

Though they all refine and make their own fuel, besides the no name brand places, exxon may borrow base gasoline from shell to save on shipping, etc. Exxon still adds their own additives though.

This means that the different top tier refineries probably have the same standards for base gasoline (so they can trade), then do their own additives. That article is a great read.
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With that thought...I'd be cautious
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New market / gas station , they need to be lower than the competition in order to bring people in
^^^ This was my first thought ^^^

Never heard of it. Sounds like a OPEC plot to me.
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Well i live in Louisiana, where alot of oil comes from (the gulf). And we have refineries galore down here. All owned by different companies, Citgo, ExxonMobil, Conoco, Valero, Shell, etc.

Each one of those companies refines their own crude oil into their own gasoline, then adds their own additives, and sells it at their own gas stations.

Im not saying the fuels are very different but they dont all come from one or two refineries and change the name. Shell may have a more stringent refining process with more regulations or standards, than the conoco one for example.

Its my impression that the big gas stations refine their own, where the no name ones like "Discount Zone" or "Race Trac" just take what they can get from anywhere that will give it.

I personally believe that you cant go wrong with any of the bigger names like Shell, Exxon, etc.

Edit: After reading an article done by a chemist, it reinforces some of my points and answers some of the ones im unsure on: http://www.vettenet.org/octane.html

Though they all refine and make their own fuel, besides the no name brand places, exxon may borrow base gasoline from shell to save on shipping, etc. Exxon still adds their own additives though.

This means that the different top tier refineries probably have the same standards for base gasoline (so they can trade), then do their own additives. That article is a great read.

first off all, the crude oil is bought and sold on the global market. Texas oil could be heading for toykyo, while oil from sadi arabia may be what exxon is refining in texas.

second, the gas that is refined is sold to wholesalers. it does not go from the refinery to the gas station. most of the time, it is delivered to the wholesaler through pipelines, not trucks.

thirdly, the pipeline network is shared, and gas from many refineries will travel through those same pipes. it would impossible to separate it.

fourth, all gas has to meet very stringent standards set forth by the government. that more than anything keeps it all about the same.

and lastly, it's at the distributors that the tiny amount of additives are put in the gas.


a retail gas station is privately owned. at least the shell's, Exxon's and so forth. the large chains like walmart, sheets, and so forth of course aren't. but the private retailers can purchase gas from wherever they want.

this pretty much explains how it works
http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/i...gasoline_where

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Every last bit of gasoline in Phoenix is delivered to the area through one of a few pipelines. The difference is in the additive package added by the local distributor with guidelines from whatever company purchases it. All the tankers here fill up at the same places.

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Well i live in Louisiana, where alot of oil comes from (the gulf). And we have refineries galore down here. All owned by different companies, Citgo, ExxonMobil, Conoco, Valero, Shell, etc.

Each one of those companies refines their own crude oil into their own gasoline, then adds their own additives, and sells it at their own gas stations.

Im not saying the fuels are very different but they dont all come from one or two refineries and change the name. Shell may have a more stringent refining process with more regulations or standards, than the conoco one for example.

Its my impression that the big gas stations refine their own, where the no name ones like "Discount Zone" or "Race Trac" just take what they can get from anywhere that will give it.

I personally believe that you cant go wrong with any of the bigger names like Shell, Exxon, etc.

Edit: After reading an article done by a chemist, it reinforces some of my points and answers some of the ones im unsure on: http://www.vettenet.org/octane.html

Though they all refine and make their own fuel, besides the no name brand places, exxon may borrow base gasoline from shell to save on shipping, etc. Exxon still adds their own additives though.

This means that the different top tier refineries probably have the same standards for base gasoline (so they can trade), then do their own additives. That article is a great read.
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first off all, the crude oil is bought and sold on the global market. Texas oil could be heading for toykyo, while oil from sadi arabia may be what exxon is refining in texas.

second, the gas that is refined is sold to wholesalers. it does not go from the refinery to the gas station. most of the time, it is delivered to the wholesaler through pipelines, not trucks.

thirdly, the pipeline network is shared, and gas from many refineries will travel through those same pipes. it would impossible to separate it.

fourth, all gas has to meet very stringent standards set forth by the government. that more than anything keeps it all about the same.

and lastly, it's at the distributors that the tiny amount of additives are put in the gas.


a retail gas station is privately owned. at least the shell's, Exxon's and so forth. the large chains like walmart, sheets, and so forth of course aren't. but the private retailers can purchase gas from wherever they want.

this pretty much explains how it works
http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/i...gasoline_where


both good posts. the links you both posted definitely explain the reality of the situation much better. for those interested, here's a couple more I found that do a pretty good job of explaining in lay terms. ultimately, it seems all four are saying the same thing and should help to put this argument to rest (it won't).

http://www.cartalk.com/content/today...s-station-next

http://money.msn.com/saving-money-ti...7-893358cdc8b6
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first off all, the crude oil is bought and sold on the global market. Texas oil could be heading for toykyo, while oil from sadi arabia may be what exxon is refining in texas.

second, the gas that is refined is sold to wholesalers. it does not go from the refinery to the gas station. most of the time, it is delivered to the wholesaler through pipelines, not trucks.

thirdly, the pipeline network is shared, and gas from many refineries will travel through those same pipes. it would impossible to separate it.

fourth, all gas has to meet very stringent standards set forth by the government. that more than anything keeps it all about the same.

and lastly, it's at the distributors that the tiny amount of additives are put in the gas.


a retail gas station is privately owned. at least the shell's, Exxon's and so forth. the large chains like walmart, sheets, and so forth of course aren't. but the private retailers can purchase gas from wherever they want.

this pretty much explains how it works
http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/i...gasoline_where
This.

Gasoline is gasoline is gasoline. It is oil refined down to a particular chemical formula. That's it... all the same.
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on a more serious note , I always run Sunoco 93, don't understand trying to save .10 or .20 cents a gallon when you got a 18 gallon tank it's only a few bucks a tankful, if I was looking to save money on gas I wouldn't have bought a v8 camaro
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first off all, the crude oil is bought and sold on the global market. Texas oil could be heading for toykyo, while oil from sadi arabia may be what exxon is refining in texas.

second, the gas that is refined is sold to wholesalers. it does not go from the refinery to the gas station. most of the time, it is delivered to the wholesaler through pipelines, not trucks.

thirdly, the pipeline network is shared, and gas from many refineries will travel through those same pipes. it would impossible to separate it.

fourth, all gas has to meet very stringent standards set forth by the government. that more than anything keeps it all about the same.

and lastly, it's at the distributors that the tiny amount of additives are put in the gas.


a retail gas station is privately owned. at least the shell's, Exxon's and so forth. the large chains like walmart, sheets, and so forth of course aren't. but the private retailers can purchase gas from wherever they want.

this pretty much explains how it works
http://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/i...gasoline_where
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If it is "All the same" Why would GM in the owners manuel tell you to use only Top-Tier gasoline ? These companies that are top-tier have to pay Additional fee's I think $35,000 a year to have their gasoline rated and be allowed to put that top tier sticker on the pump , Might not sound like alot but ,if it is not then why dont all of them do that? You can think it is a scam and oil is oil gas is gas , But I tend to believe that GM would not have even brought this up and put in the owners manuel if there was not some benefit, I figure they all charge the same in my state , so might as well go with the top-tier gas? I do know one place fleet-farm around here and I was talking to the manager and she told me that they do not have any detergents in their gasoline , Needless to say I never went back to them , Also I never put Ethanol in my V6 either , Screw that corn crap .
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Gasoline is gasoline is gasoline. It is oil refined down to a particular chemical formula. That's it... all the same.
yep. 8 carbon atoms bonded together, hence the name octane
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If it is "All the same" Why would GM in the owners manuel tell you to use only Top-Tier gasoline ? These companies that are top-tier have to pay Additional fee's I think $35,000 a year to have their gasoline rated and be allowed to put that top tier sticker on the pump , Might not sound like alot but ,if it is not then why dont all of them do that? You can think it is a scam and oil is oil gas is gas , But I tend to believe that GM would not have even brought this up and put in the owners manuel if there was not some benefit, I figure they all charge the same in my state , so might as well go with the top-tier gas? I do know one place fleet-farm around here and I was talking to the manager and she told me that they do not have any detergents in their gasoline , Needless to say I never went back to them , Also I never put Ethanol in my V6 either , Screw that corn crap .

you can bonk all you want. the link I provided, form the department of energy no less, explains how it works. the top tier thing is simply marketing. and since there are tens of thousands out there like you who swallow it up, the 35k a year is money well spent .

all gas has some detergents in them, it's required by regulations. and since ethanol is added at the refinery, your most likely burning it in your car. virtually all gas now contains some ethanol. the EPA requires that refiners use X number of gallons of it, and that number goes up every year. it's why some places are starting to see 15% blends. marinas are about the only place you'll find gas without ethanol anymore.
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Last year I was at a station connected with a local chain of grocery stores and took some time to talk to a tanker driver who was filling the tanks. He said that the base gas for all of the stations comes from the same pipeline and tank farm but each truck load includes the additives specified for a particular brand. The stuff at that particular station was just base gas with the required detergents and per cent of ethanol. When he's delivering to a Shell station, the machine puts in the proper additives at the tank farm. Same with the other "name" brands. I'll stick with top tier.
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you can bonk all you want. the link I provided, form the department of energy no less, explains how it works. the top tier thing is simply marketing. and since there are tens of thousands out there like you who swallow it up, the 35k a year is money well spent .

all gas has some detergents in them, it's required by regulations. and since ethanol is added at the refinery, your most likely burning it in your car. virtually all gas now contains some ethanol. the EPA requires that refiners use X number of gallons of it, and that number goes up every year. it's why some places are starting to see 15% blends. marinas are about the only place you'll find gas without ethanol anymore.
So when I put in 91 octane and its says "Contains NO Ethanol " Its a lie? I call BS on it . There might be trace amounts , I doubt very much it contains 15% , Most gas contains some detergents in them , It is the Top Tier gases that apply the right amount , Guess i am guilty of swallowing it all up . But if you are wrong and you are putting in cheap gas that clogs everything up over some miles , It is you who will pay the price by saving a couple of pennies per gallon for the inferior detergents /Gas . Like I said Wisconsin makes all stations make the same profit per gallon or should I say they make all stations make at least a certain % per gallon sold , Which has created a market where they all charge exactly the same in each city , So it makes no sense for me to choice a station which does not carry top-tier gas , In fact in my area there is only 1 and that is Kwik-Trip , Shell BP Exxon Mobil etc , none carry this label, And as far as Ethonal I refuse to buy it in any of my vehicles and gladly pay more for better mpg and not supporting this corn fuel
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All good discussions..Food for thought for sure. I thought maybe it was a chain from down south or in the western part of the country and someone would recognize it. I googled the hell out of it looking for reviews and found nothing. The only link I could find was the announcent it was in my town

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