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Old 03-28-2013, 03:08 PM   #188
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That's true. But it doesn't mean GM should jack up the price to insure it doesn't make it to the track or be suitable for garage queens. Right? I mean stripped down it shouldn't cost what they're going to charge for it. Plain and simple.
That's not why the price will be high. Are they removing a few things? Yes but it's peanuts in terms of cost savings. The real cost is in the brakes, engine, rear-end, wheels and tires. It costs money to design, build, acquire and test this stuff.

Please stop thinking this is a stripped down car. The car is going to be expensive and rightfully so.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:12 PM   #189
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Welp, that about wraps it up then. FbodFATHER has spoken. If ya don't have around $70-75k, then ya don't have a car. Forget about ever owning a Z/28, mod the Hell out your current ride and be happy!
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:15 PM   #190
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Fbodfather, I wish to thank you and the entire Camaro team for putting together such an awesome Z/28! I have been a Camaro owner and fan since the '60s, having bought new Camaros in '67 (RS) and '69 (Z/28). I was beginning to believe that we'd never see another Z/28 built with the heritage of the original Z/28, the Camaro team has knocked it out of the ballpark and I'm ecstatic! You've always said to "keep the faith" and that practice has finaslly paid a very handsome dividend.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:16 PM   #191
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As a Camaro enthusiast and dealership employee, I'm super stoked at the Camaro lineup now. Even though I dispise the hood extractor and chrome on the front bumper of RS cars, I think the lineup is the best it has been since 1969. We're pretty lucky to have such a wide array of cars to choose from. I've been a dealership employee for a long time and this is the best lineup of cars I've ever seen.

If you're complaining about the Z28 being too expensive, you only want the car for the badge. If the 1LE were badged Z28, you would be doing cartwheels with excitement and singing praises to GM. You should be doing that anyway. The Z28 was just a badge for a long time. It's finally getting back to where it all began.

Bravo to GM for building this car and not making it a badge like it was for the better part of 30 years.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:17 PM   #192
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I wish I could afford a new Z/28, but I'll be content with my 1LE for now. I owned a '69 Z/28 with standard steering, and a radio. Wonder if the younger generation could imagine wrenching that steering wheel around, with out power assist, and hearing that DZ 302 screaming through the chambered exhaust. The Z/28 is back to it's roots with a vengence.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:18 PM   #193
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It seems regardless of price the Z/28 (beside the name) is not what those arguing want anyway. What if GM offered the Camaro with others options and at other pricepoints...Oh they DO!
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:19 PM   #194
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"voice of wisdom and reason"
At least you have a sense of humor...

I HAVE to have a sense of humor! Look at the bashing in the past three days.

People are carrying on about tail-lights to the point that you'd think the world was coming to an end.

We unveiled a legendary car yesterday -- and yet no matter WHAT we do - we have people saying horrible things......

...and ONE person wanting to "take it to Camaro5Fest" --

People - how 'bout we stop and think before we post? How 'bout we realize that just because we don't always get what we want doesn't mean that others are completely wrong or that "..the Disciples should be fired!...."

Yeah -- I'm just hootin' it up here............
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:21 PM   #195
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Welp, that about wraps it up then. FbodFATHER has spoken. If ya don't have around $70-75k, then ya don't have a car. Forget about ever owning a Z/28, mod the Hell out your current ride and be happy!
WHERE did I say $70-75K?

Please do not put words in my mouth.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:26 PM   #196
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You are absolutely right. We ARE limiting the market for this car. It is not for everyone.

I'm trying to decide exactly what the issues are here and I'm starting to believe it's because we have two schools of thought here:

The first school wants the Z/28 to go back to its roots. (Hint: did you note that the car is a "Z/28" and not a "Z28"??? -- go do your homework.......)

The second school wants a Z/28 (I should say in this instance "Z28" that can be built 15 bazillion different ways........)

We made a decision and we're sticking to it. The "Z/28" is a hallowed moniker that became 'less and less' to some people over the years.....

If you are not happy the way the Z/28 is configured, we offer you:

>SS/L99

>SS/LS3

>SS/1LE/LS3

>ZL1


And if that's not enough for you - you may want to consider ordering a 1LE and then modding or dropping your own LS7 engine in the engine bay........


Lastly - and I'll say it again (pay attention!) CAFE STANDARDS! Get used to them or vote our electeds in Washington out of office...........
So from today's stand point will the ZL1 be the moniker that has track/comfortability in one? I guess what I'm asking is will it be available for the 6th Gen and stick to the format from the 5th Gen.

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Old 03-28-2013, 03:31 PM   #197
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WHERE did I say $70-75K?

Please do not put words in my mouth.
Sorry, I wasn't quoting you. It's just what has been speculated on here. GM said it will be the top-tier Camaro and well, the ZL1 is around $60k, so speculation leads us to those numbers.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:38 PM   #198
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Look no company is perfect and GM certainly is not. History proves this for GM and many many companies.

That said, I defy anybody on this board to provide sound reason why GM has not only hit a home run with the Z/28 but completely hit it out of the park with the 5th Generation platform!

I grew up in the 70's and by the time I got my license the muscle ERA was over. What we have available to us as performance enthusiasts, right now, is as good as any time in history.

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Old 03-28-2013, 03:44 PM   #199
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Sorry, I wasn't quoting you. It's just what has been speculated on here. GM said it will be the top-tier Camaro and well, the ZL1 is around $60k, so speculation leads us to those numbers.
Wonder why it's a big mystery...I would have thought part of a "Reveal" would be reveal the price, as well...How long is this Price bs gonna last before anybody knows?
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VERY WELL PUT and well thought out!



OK Mr. Twisty - I need to add Mr. GearBangr to the will as well...........
Curious to know the era when they both were raised I could be wrong but it seems those that were grew up in the era of the original Z/28 is happy and those they grew up with the 3-4th Gen are disappointed? Not saying its a complete bad thing but maybe we expected something else then what we have. Not taking anything away from what GM has done though so don't take that the wrong way. Hard to explain I guess.

Can you build a time machine for those who weren't around so we can witness this so called greatness? Im not being sarcastic either part of me is jealous that i wasnt around. Hmmm. That would be great idea for a commercial plot for the Z/28.

Either way, I'm sticking by the brand. So 30-40 years from now I can say the 2014 Z/28 is what started things back to the way it should have been.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:47 PM   #201
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Wonder why it's a big mystery...I would have thought part of a "Reveal" would be reveal the price, as well...How long is this Price bs gonna last before anybody knows?
You do realize that the car that was unveiled was a pre production car, right? I'm sure they still have some testing, evaluation and certification that has to be done. They probably don't have every little detail on the car worked out yet. Once all of that is ironed out, they can get the price hammered out.
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You do realize that the car that was unveiled was a pre production car, right? I'm sure they still have some testing, evaluation and certification that has to be done. They probably don't have every little detail on the car worked out yet. Once all of that is ironed out, they can get the price hammered out.
I hear ya, but thought maybe other than "top tier" or whatever they may have thrown out a teaser estimate themselves...all good...just hoping a price would show up to stop some of the debate/arguing...lol...
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I think the car is perfect! I hope one day I have one, I feel like I did when i first seen the 5th gen concept! Good job gm, you guys built my dream car even better!
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:54 PM   #204
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I am completely amazed at the majority of the negitive reactions from people on this forum about the best camaro ever produced. It getting more praise on the challenger forum than here. Chevy is on fire lately with everything they do. Don't worry about the whiners Scott. Real car people can see that you nailed it with this car. I'm sure you'll have no trouble selling everyone you decide to build
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