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Old 03-30-2013, 03:36 PM   #376
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To the question on this thread,.....no. I don't think GM missed the mark on making the Z28 a track car. They have the ZL1 and the 1LE, which are both great daily drivers and track cars, if need be.
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OG's never had real radio's, speakers, or air conditioning. We didn't have comfy powered seats with heat. Shoot, we didin't even have powered door locks or windows. Do you honestly think the few minor inconviences associated with the 2014 Z/28 would stop us from purchasing it? We would have died for factory racing brakes, rear axle technology to transfer torque more effectively, DSSV dampers that are space program technology....and an aero package designed in a wind tunnel to provide downforce at speed. Not to mention a 427 CID powerplant that rev's to 7,100 RPM....with a warranty. The Z/28 is the cat's meooow man. It's the pinacle for Camaro's as we speak...
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OG's never had real radio's, speakers, or air conditioning. We didn't have comfy powered seats with heat. Shoot, we didin't even have powered door locks or windows. Do you honestly think the few minor inconviences associated with the 2014 Z/28 would stop us from purchasing it? We would have died for factory racing brakes, rear axle technology to transfer torque more effectively, DSSV dampers that are space program technology....and an aero package designed in a wind tunnel to provide downforce at speed. Not to mention a 427 CID powerplant that rev's to 7,100 RPM....with a warranty. The Z/28 is the cat's meooow man. It's the pinacle for Camaro's as we speak...
No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.
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OG's never had real radio's, speakers, or air conditioning. We didn't have comfy powered seats with heat. Shoot, we didin't even have powered door locks or windows. Do you honestly think the few minor inconviences associated with the 2014 Z/28 would stop us from purchasing it? We would have died for factory racing brakes, rear axle technology to transfer torque more effectively, DSSV dampers that are space program technology....and an aero package designed in a wind tunnel to provide downforce at speed. Not to mention a 427 CID powerplant that rev's to 7,100 RPM....with a warranty. The Z/28 is the cat's meooow man. It's the pinacle for Camaro's as we speak...
Amen brother. This car is an absolute beast. I have driven cars without a radio or A/C for years and didn't bug me at all. Who needs a radio when you have an LS7 with dual mode exhaust to listen to?

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No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.
How many people but ZL1s compared to other Camaros? Should that stop GM from building them?
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No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.
.....hmmm, not sure. A totally redesigned car in it's front and tail. Carbon ceramic brakes, DSSV dampers, helical cut gears in new rear axle configuration....hood heat diffuser, aero package side, nose, and tail. Recaro seats, Tremec 6060 tranny, 3.91 final drive gear, A/C delete, 300 pounds lighter than a ZL1....one speaker, wiring delete.....that's for starters....oh, 19" square dedicated rims with Pirelli performance rubber....and I didn't mention an LS7 with a trick cold airbox...., yes, not one for masses consumption price wise, but one for masses adulation performance wise whether or not we can afford it.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:16 AM   #383
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Amen brother. This car is an absolute beast. I have driven cars without a radio or A/C for years and didn't bug me at all. Who needs a radio when you have an LS7 with dual mode exhaust to listen to?



How many people but ZL1s compared to other Camaros? Should that stop GM from building them?
Totally different animal. The ZL1 is not a $65,000+ track toy and track toy only. The guy who is able to buy a track car for that kind of money has a few cars and is more of a collector. Most of these will end up sitting in a warehouse/garage somewhere collecting dust. I'm glad they built the car but standard features such as the carbon brakes push this car into the wrong target audience for GM.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:44 AM   #384
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Only the 1Gen was a Z/28. The others 2Gen - 4Gen were Z28. The 1Gen was built to race first and be sold for the street second. Therefore the 2014 Z/28 is back to its original design. Most cars with this type content would have an R after the name. The Z/28 doesn't need that.
My memory my be really rusty here, but I thought the original Z/28 meant the upgraded '67 roadable racer. Later, Z28 was an option code for the similar package.

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Old 03-31-2013, 01:56 AM   #385
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Totally different animal. The ZL1 is not a $65,000+ track toy and track toy only. The guy who is able to buy a track car for that kind of money has a few cars and is more of a collector. Most of these will end up sitting in a warehouse/garage somewhere collecting dust. I'm glad they built the car but standard features such as the carbon brakes push this car into the wrong target audience for GM.
I said pretty much the same thing on another thread.
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For those of you who think this car is designed for the casual weekend racer who goes to track events 3 or 4 times a year you couldn't be more wrong. This car isn't just a weekend track car for the HPDE driver. This car is going to win races. It's the basis for a killer race car that's going to shake up the semi-pro/pro racing world. I expect to see this car winning it's class in long events like Le Mans, Daytona, etc.

The original Z/28 was built in enough quantities to qualify it as a "street" car so it could compete in the Trans Am series, but it was never intended to be just a street car. It was built to win races and this new one is following that rationale. I fully expect this new generation car to carry on the hallowed name and tradition of the Z/28 with full pride and honors.
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Totally different animal. The ZL1 is not a $65,000+ track toy and track toy only. The guy who is able to buy a track car for that kind of money has a few cars and is more of a collector. Most of these will end up sitting in a warehouse/garage somewhere collecting dust. I'm glad they built the car but standard features such as the carbon brakes push this car into the wrong target audience for GM.
Who says it's a track only car? I don't believe in garage queens or safe queens when it comes to my firearms. If I could swing a Z/28, I would drive it. No radio doesn't bother me at all.
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:14 AM   #388
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GM should open the order process and let you choose which f'n engine you want in any Camaro. An LS3 485, An ASA, An LS7, or an LS9....

Pwr windows, radio, AC, Sunroof, My link, you want em, you got em.....

It's all about the mighty dollar. Too bad they didn't spend the money on engineering a reliable transmission to go in their 40K SS/RS burn me once shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me....
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:22 AM   #389
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I race my 450rwhp SS with stock 6sp tranny every weekend and drive it to work during the week. 30k miles and about 30 timeslips and tranny is still kickin. Some people have bad luck and others don't. Sell me your LS3 and go buy a LS7 to throw in you car. I got am S-10 looking for a heart transplant.
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Old 03-31-2013, 05:13 AM   #390
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No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.
Compare that price to some of the Supercars, and how do you think it missed the price point? I'm sure we'll see some info over the Summer how competitive the Z/28 will be compared to those we are familiar with overseas. and 99.9%? - c'mon, exaggerate a little?
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If they just wanted to produce a track novelty car, I wish they would have used the "Hot Wheels" version instead of turning it into something it hasn't been in previous generations. There's always the C7 to look at, that team did a great job.
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I don't think so. There will be those that'll be disappointed. I respect that alot...but like Scott was saying and what I've read echoed here is that its gone back to its roots, back to those who've really loved the Z/28 for what it was and hated where it went throughout the years.

I think with all the versions of Camaro you can get now...its nice to see a model come out directed to the enthusiasts, I mean really directed it seems. You just don't see that anymore unless you look at Porsche (911 GT3), BMW (M3 GTS), or Mercedes (AMG Black Series). There are others that don't come to mind at the moment...

They made the COPO...can't register it or drive it other than a qtr mile at a time. Now this...a Camaro set up to do the deed 3 seconds quicker (I still can't believe it).

You know I watch the video of the ZL1 ripping up the Nurburgring and have to say....this Z/28 will do it approx. 3 seconds quicker than that?? Don't get me wrong, I believe it can with the enhancements mentioned. Lower weight, better brakes, body enhancements...just amazing--can't wait to see the videos. Popcorn awaits!!!
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If they just wanted to produce a track novelty car, I wish they would have used the "Hot Wheels" version instead of turning it into something it hasn't been in previous generations. There's always the C7 to look at, that team did a great job.
So a car that bests the ZL1 by 3 seconds is just a novelty...

...and upgraded almost exactly like it was in 69 as a road-racer first with cowl induction, beefy brakes, wide tires...etc

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For those of you who think this car is designed for the casual weekend racer who goes to track events 3 or 4 times a year you couldn't be more wrong. This car isn't just a weekend track car for the HPDE driver. This car is going to win races. It's the basis for a killer race car that's going to shake up the semi-pro/pro racing world. I expect to see this car winning it's class in long events like Le Mans, Daytona, etc.

The original Z/28 was built in enough quantities to qualify it as a "street" car so it could compete in the Trans Am series, but it was never intended to be just a street car. It was built to win races and this new one is following that rationale. I fully expect this new generation car to carry on the hallowed name and tradition of the Z/28 with full pride and honors.
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Who says it's a track only car? I don't believe in garage queens or safe queens when it comes to my firearms. If I could swing a Z/28, I would drive it. No radio doesn't bother me at all.
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Exactly, I am considering to go for it.
Doc is correct; even though it's street legal, it's really a track car. The tires have a tread rating of 60 (see pic below) that carry a R designation for Racing. Even though they're DOT approved Pirelli recommends driving on dry pavement only. As with most street/race tires they also have less tread compared to a normal street tire. so if you drive on the street plan on another set of wheels and tires or buying new tires a lot.

For record; Chevy nailed the Z/28 perfectly imo. It's probably the purest performance car to hit the market in a long time. Also consider racing improves the breed and you can bet they will gather data and experience from this car and apply it to the upcoming 6th gen.

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So a car that bests the ZL1 by 3 seconds is just a novelty...

...and upgraded almost exactly like it was in 69 as a road-racer first with cowl induction, beefy brakes, wide tires...etc

http://musclecars.howstuffworks.com/...camaro-z28.htm
Yep, it is. I'm sure it'll put up a good track score.
While you're at it, include links on the Gen 2/3/4.
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Yep, it is. I'm sure it'll put up a good track score.
While you're at it, include links on the Gen 2/3/4.
Why would I do that when everything about the 5th Gen has been based on the 1st Gen.

Maybe you'll get your 2/3/4th gen wishes with the 6th Gen, but the same old I don't like the Z/28 posts are pretty weak.
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Why would I do that when everything about the 5th Gen has been based on the 1st Gen.

Maybe you'll get your 2/3/4th gen wishes with the 6th Gen, but the same old I don't like the Z/28 posts are pretty weak.
I feel the same way about using one specific year to support an opinion, instead of all the previous "Z"s. I wouldn't call that being "true to the heritage" but it is what it is.
I'm curious to see what they do with the Gen 6, but I have no desire to see the Z/28 name anymore. If they're turning into a novelty car, stick to your guns and keep it that way. There were other options to fill the "track gap" but whatever. I think it was designed to go up against Ford at that track, not with the consumer in mind.
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I feel the same way about using one specific year to support an opinion, instead of all the previous "Z"s. I wouldn't call that being "true to the heritage" but it is what it is.
I'm curious to see what they do with the Gen 6, but I have no desire to see the Z/28 name anymore. If they're turning into a novelty car, stick to your guns and keep it that way. There were other options to fill the "track gap" but whatever. I think it was designed to go up against Ford at that track, not with the consumer in mind.

Because everyone needs a 60K garage statue.
There's a difference between a true Z/28 and a consumer Z28. A true Z/28 isn't a "novelty" car, it's a race car produced in enough quantities to qualify for running in racing series that require a production car that's sold on the street. That's what the original Z/28 was, and that's what this new Z/28 is. It's not aimed at the consumer, it's aimed at the racer/racing team.

The Z28 was aimed at the consumer, just like the IROC cars which were stickered to look like the racing IROC cars so consumers could drive around in something that had the labels of the racing cars but was just a street car. And they were priced accordingly because consumers on the street DON'T need ANY of the features of a true IROC or Z/28 car.

As for the "60k garage statue" remark, you'd be amazed at the money people have spent on their "non-novelty" 2010, 2011, 2012 Camaros. Many are at that 60k mark and higher so just because you don't want to spend that much on a Camaro doesn't mean others don't or won't.

Do you go racing? No? Then this new Z/28 is not designed for nor intended for you. Do you go to a few HPDE events a year? The 1LE is the model for you. Why not a Z/28 for HPDE? Although it would be killer, it's going to be expensive to run. Going through $3k worth of tires every other weekend event is not practical. A 1LE will be more than capable for all but a very few weekend warriors and the tires (which they'll go through) will be much cheaper.

This new Z/28 is going to bring racing glory to the Camaro name. And in a few years they may come out with a Z28 street car which will be basically like a 1LE but with Z28 badging for the consumer who likes to wear a Kobe Bryant jersey around town even though there's no way they'll ever even be on a pro basketball court, much less play pro basketball.
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