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Old 03-30-2013, 02:57 PM   #375
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"Sedan racing" goes back to the original SCCA Trans Am Series...as opposed to "Formula" cars, or "Sports" cars, or...

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Old 03-30-2013, 03:36 PM   #376
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:48 PM   #377
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To the question on this thread,.....no. I don't think GM missed the mark on making the Z28 a track car. They have the ZL1 and the 1LE, which are both great daily drivers and track cars, if need be.
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Old 03-30-2013, 09:50 PM   #378
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People should read the first two posts in this thread.
http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286046
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Old 03-30-2013, 10:30 PM   #379
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OG's never had real radio's, speakers, or air conditioning. We didn't have comfy powered seats with heat. Shoot, we didin't even have powered door locks or windows. Do you honestly think the few minor inconviences associated with the 2014 Z/28 would stop us from purchasing it? We would have died for factory racing brakes, rear axle technology to transfer torque more effectively, DSSV dampers that are space program technology....and an aero package designed in a wind tunnel to provide downforce at speed. Not to mention a 427 CID powerplant that rev's to 7,100 RPM....with a warranty. The Z/28 is the cat's meooow man. It's the pinacle for Camaro's as we speak...
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Old 03-30-2013, 11:24 PM   #380
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OG's never had real radio's, speakers, or air conditioning. We didn't have comfy powered seats with heat. Shoot, we didin't even have powered door locks or windows. Do you honestly think the few minor inconviences associated with the 2014 Z/28 would stop us from purchasing it? We would have died for factory racing brakes, rear axle technology to transfer torque more effectively, DSSV dampers that are space program technology....and an aero package designed in a wind tunnel to provide downforce at speed. Not to mention a 427 CID powerplant that rev's to 7,100 RPM....with a warranty. The Z/28 is the cat's meooow man. It's the pinacle for Camaro's as we speak...
No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.
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Old 03-30-2013, 11:37 PM   #381
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OG's never had real radio's, speakers, or air conditioning. We didn't have comfy powered seats with heat. Shoot, we didin't even have powered door locks or windows. Do you honestly think the few minor inconviences associated with the 2014 Z/28 would stop us from purchasing it? We would have died for factory racing brakes, rear axle technology to transfer torque more effectively, DSSV dampers that are space program technology....and an aero package designed in a wind tunnel to provide downforce at speed. Not to mention a 427 CID powerplant that rev's to 7,100 RPM....with a warranty. The Z/28 is the cat's meooow man. It's the pinacle for Camaro's as we speak...
Amen brother. This car is an absolute beast. I have driven cars without a radio or A/C for years and didn't bug me at all. Who needs a radio when you have an LS7 with dual mode exhaust to listen to?

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No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.
How many people but ZL1s compared to other Camaros? Should that stop GM from building them?
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Old 03-30-2013, 11:45 PM   #382
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No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.
.....hmmm, not sure. A totally redesigned car in it's front and tail. Carbon ceramic brakes, DSSV dampers, helical cut gears in new rear axle configuration....hood heat diffuser, aero package side, nose, and tail. Recaro seats, Tremec 6060 tranny, 3.91 final drive gear, A/C delete, 300 pounds lighter than a ZL1....one speaker, wiring delete.....that's for starters....oh, 19" square dedicated rims with Pirelli performance rubber....and I didn't mention an LS7 with a trick cold airbox...., yes, not one for masses consumption price wise, but one for masses adulation performance wise whether or not we can afford it.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:16 AM   #383
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Amen brother. This car is an absolute beast. I have driven cars without a radio or A/C for years and didn't bug me at all. Who needs a radio when you have an LS7 with dual mode exhaust to listen to?



How many people but ZL1s compared to other Camaros? Should that stop GM from building them?
Totally different animal. The ZL1 is not a $65,000+ track toy and track toy only. The guy who is able to buy a track car for that kind of money has a few cars and is more of a collector. Most of these will end up sitting in a warehouse/garage somewhere collecting dust. I'm glad they built the car but standard features such as the carbon brakes push this car into the wrong target audience for GM.
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Old 03-31-2013, 12:44 AM   #384
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Only the 1Gen was a Z/28. The others 2Gen - 4Gen were Z28. The 1Gen was built to race first and be sold for the street second. Therefore the 2014 Z/28 is back to its original design. Most cars with this type content would have an R after the name. The Z/28 doesn't need that.
My memory my be really rusty here, but I thought the original Z/28 meant the upgraded '67 roadable racer. Later, Z28 was an option code for the similar package.

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Old 03-31-2013, 01:56 AM   #385
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Totally different animal. The ZL1 is not a $65,000+ track toy and track toy only. The guy who is able to buy a track car for that kind of money has a few cars and is more of a collector. Most of these will end up sitting in a warehouse/garage somewhere collecting dust. I'm glad they built the car but standard features such as the carbon brakes push this car into the wrong target audience for GM.
I said pretty much the same thing on another thread.
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:49 AM   #386
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For those of you who think this car is designed for the casual weekend racer who goes to track events 3 or 4 times a year you couldn't be more wrong. This car isn't just a weekend track car for the HPDE driver. This car is going to win races. It's the basis for a killer race car that's going to shake up the semi-pro/pro racing world. I expect to see this car winning it's class in long events like Le Mans, Daytona, etc.

The original Z/28 was built in enough quantities to qualify it as a "street" car so it could compete in the Trans Am series, but it was never intended to be just a street car. It was built to win races and this new one is following that rationale. I fully expect this new generation car to carry on the hallowed name and tradition of the Z/28 with full pride and honors.
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Totally different animal. The ZL1 is not a $65,000+ track toy and track toy only. The guy who is able to buy a track car for that kind of money has a few cars and is more of a collector. Most of these will end up sitting in a warehouse/garage somewhere collecting dust. I'm glad they built the car but standard features such as the carbon brakes push this car into the wrong target audience for GM.
Who says it's a track only car? I don't believe in garage queens or safe queens when it comes to my firearms. If I could swing a Z/28, I would drive it. No radio doesn't bother me at all.
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:14 AM   #388
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GM should open the order process and let you choose which f'n engine you want in any Camaro. An LS3 485, An ASA, An LS7, or an LS9....

Pwr windows, radio, AC, Sunroof, My link, you want em, you got em.....

It's all about the mighty dollar. Too bad they didn't spend the money on engineering a reliable transmission to go in their 40K SS/RS burn me once shame on you, burn me twice, shame on me....
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Old 03-31-2013, 04:22 AM   #389
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I race my 450rwhp SS with stock 6sp tranny every weekend and drive it to work during the week. 30k miles and about 30 timeslips and tranny is still kickin. Some people have bad luck and others don't. Sell me your LS3 and go buy a LS7 to throw in you car. I got am S-10 looking for a heart transplant.
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Old 03-31-2013, 05:13 AM   #390
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No but I think the $65,000+ price tag will stop 99.9% of those who begged GM for it from buying it! They missed the price point ball.
Compare that price to some of the Supercars, and how do you think it missed the price point? I'm sure we'll see some info over the Summer how competitive the Z/28 will be compared to those we are familiar with overseas. and 99.9%? - c'mon, exaggerate a little?
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:59 AM   #391
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If they just wanted to produce a track novelty car, I wish they would have used the "Hot Wheels" version instead of turning it into something it hasn't been in previous generations. There's always the C7 to look at, that team did a great job.
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