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Old 03-29-2013, 10:13 PM   #323
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This is what we wanted, not a Trans-AM series entry car like they produced.
http://www.netcarshow.com/chevrolet/2008-camaro_ls7_concept/

All they had to do was stick an LS7 in a 1LE package for another $5k and slap a z/28 badge on it.

What GM built should be labeled CAMARO COPO "Trans-AM PRO series" or something.

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Old 03-29-2013, 10:31 PM   #324
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But then all the old fogies trying to re-live the past would not have a Z/28 to talk about.
If one wanted to relive the past wouldn't they purchase a 1Gen Z/28?
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:37 PM   #325
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This is what we wanted, not a Trans-AM series entry car like they produced.
http://www.netcarshow.com/chevrolet/2008-camaro_ls7_concept/

All they had to do was stick an LS7 in a 1LE package for another $5k and slap a z/28 badge on it.

What GM built should be labeled CAMARO COPO "Trans-AM PRO series" or something.


Obviously GM did not think that was good enough. Nothing stopping you from building a car that way and I'm sure it would be a great car but that isn't enough. If you read the Z/28 forums before the 2014 Z/28 was revealed, you could see all the arguments made by a few people, including myself. A lot of us agreed that the 1LE was a good starting point but more had to be done before it was a Z/28. GM exceeded our expectations by a mile but did so by taking what we had built and making it even better than we though could be done.
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Old 03-29-2013, 10:46 PM   #326
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Meh.....for me I'd much rather have the zl1
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:05 PM   #327
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Yea, but wouldnt you want the car to be all it can be? I dont get it. GM goes all out and gives the public a no compromise camaro upgrading EVERYTHING and people are still not happy. This is not a run of the mill SS. This is a purpose built factory track car. They went to great lengths to give us a car that lives up to the Z/28 name. Would you rather have a "Z/28" stickered car with color coded interior pieces and "Z/28" stitched on the headrests and T-tops and fuzzy dice or what they gave us? Too many posers here.
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:08 PM   #328
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Old 03-29-2013, 11:28 PM   #329
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Good question. Seems like there's an entire house of people that could have done so instead of lobbying all this time for GM to produce a new version.

Look, I am as happy as the next guy that GM did produce this car, but I also understand why a lot of people aren't. Yes, the original z/28 was built for a specfic purpose, but for the vast majority of people not born in the 1940's/'50's the Z28 name represents something else entirely.
I find it interesting how you differentiated the 2 Z's from different era's. The Z/28 from the late 60's and the Z28 from 1977 1/2 to 20002. The one's starting from 77 1/2 were watered down versions of the 60's and early 70's.

So, if GM is following a pattern, it's the same recipe as before. Bide your time and you will get the watered down version - due to what is the main driving factor in the bottom of my sig.

I was born in the 60's and I grew up with the Late 2nd Gen's and 3rd Gens and I wish to have experienced what those guy's did from the 60's. I'm sure if I had lived in that 60's era back then as a young man, I probably couldn't afford it getting it new, but there is always the possibility of owning secondhand. Nothing wrong with that.
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Old 03-30-2013, 12:33 AM   #330
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Yea, but wouldnt you want the car to be all it can be? I dont get it. GM goes all out and gives the public a no compromise camaro upgrading EVERYTHING and people are still not happy. This is not a run of the mill SS. This is a purpose built factory track car. They went to great lengths to give us a car that lives up to the Z/28 name. Would you rather have a "Z/28" stickered car with color coded interior pieces and "Z/28" stitched on the headrests and T-tops and fuzzy dice or what they gave us? Too many posers here.
I think you've hit the nail on the head. If GM designed this car by committee -- or by allowing us to choose the feature set -- it would be terrible. Instead they took a bold approach, for modern-day GM -- they gave the engineers free rein to maximize the performance of this platform.

As a result, this is a hard-core car. A lot of the complaints I'm hearing seem to be more that the car is not what the complainer wants. The bolder the car, the more likely it is to piss some people off. I'm glad GM took an uncompromising approach on this car. Is the Z/28 right for everyone? Of course not -- and it's a better car because of that. That fact will make it even more desirable down the road, I believe.

Personally, I'm THRILLED about the Z/28. I was getting ready to buy a Boss 302 Laguna Seca for track day use. Though that's not a bad car, I had a running feud with my cousin when we were kids. He was a Ford guy, but I was a Chevy guy. Enough said...
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Old 03-30-2013, 01:24 AM   #331
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GM put what was necessary into the Z/28 to bring back the feel of the original. Not everyone could have one new then, nor now. Nor should they. This is the next best thing to a race car you're going to get off the showroom floor. It isn't for everyone.

Too many folks are thinking about a 1982 Z/28 (as an example). It was nice, it was fast, it was comfortable, but it was a watered-down version of what the car was in 1967. They've gone back to their roots and I think that's a good thing.

This car won't be for everyone. Lots of guesses as to the price (note: guesses). Some reasonable guesses, but guesses none the less. Will it be expensive? Yes. Most of us won't be able to afford one new. Buy one used in a few years. Wait for a C6 Z/28 that someone mentioned a day or two ago.

With the CAFE standards driving mandated mileage up, the Z/28 will get watered down again just like happened in the 70s and 80s. Or, if GM chooses to keep it pure, the price will go WAY up. The CAFE penalties apply to the GM fleet as a whole. A Z/28 drags down the average for the fleet making penalties more likely for GM. They have to either enginer the rest of the fleet for even greater mileage or pay the cost. Guess what, that CAFE penalty is going to get passed on in sticker price. Think they're going to raise the price of a Malibu to cover the cost of a Z/28's mileage?

Nope.

As much as I'd love to have a Z/28 badge on my Camaro, it isn't going to happen. The Z/28 needs to stay based on it's original form, and I think GM has nailed it. I need a DD and so as much as it pains me, A Z/28 isn't in my future. Maybe a 1LE, probably not a ZL1, maybe a modded out 2SS/RS.

But the point is, GM has given all of us the choices to find the Camaro that fits each of us. Don't cry because you can't get the badge you want, instead get the performance and comfort combination that works for you and THEN look at what badge you end up with. Then revel in that badge and boast about it all day.

After all, you could be driving a Mustang....
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Old 03-30-2013, 02:34 AM   #332
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...and I for one am VERY happy they did...

BTW, does your "Barley Street Legal" ZL1, as per sig, "hop" down the street/road/track? Or does it BARELY get there?
Stay on point of the topic at hand, not sidebar distractions about a misspelled word in my sig photo. Obviously that is a typo, which hasnít been corrected in the art work, so donít humor yourself with trying to act intelligent in a condensing way, your attempt at debasing humor is not funny, nor is it entertaining. The error has also been pointed out well before your observation, so no other comment from you is wanted, desired, or needed on that.
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Old 03-30-2013, 04:23 AM   #333
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Love the idea/concept of the new Z/28 but surprised at what price is expected to be. Do not see how GM can justify over $52k for it. Yes i realize it has the LS7 and carbon brakes, but also does NOT have mag suspension, a/c, stereo, HUD, carbon hood insert, HID lights, HD half shafts, HD rear diff (as in the ZL1), center gauge console etc. stripped down the way it is, it seems reasonable to expect no more than $12k over current 1LE pricing?
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:12 AM   #334
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One thing you have to give credit to GM for is the choice's you have. Many great trim levels to choose from and the Z28 is welcome edition imo.
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Old 03-30-2013, 07:26 AM   #335
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All this whining over CAFE standards makes me scratch my head. They're building cars that perform off the factory floor better than could be built by racing teams back in the day but you guys are pissed because it also gets 30+ MPG? The V6 hag more horsepower than nearly every Camaro produced before it but it's watered down? I'm going to buy stock in kleenex when the 6th gen comes with the 2 liter turbo yet still outperforms the 5th gen SS. Also without the guy currently in the whitehouse there'd be no GM today.
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Old 03-30-2013, 08:11 AM   #336
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