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Old 04-12-2013, 08:31 AM   #576
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Thing is, will they do it the right way this time or will pressure for things like the appearance-oriented tire size stagger rule the day once again?


I'd really like to think that Ford's decision to go with the 3-link way back when the decision was made to retain the stick axle in the S197 was influenced at least a little by internet forum discussions concerning 3-links that had taken place as far back as the 2001-2002-2003 time frame.

That would give me a little more confidence that they're paying attention to what the people who would drive their cars this hard really expect. The Camaro team already gets it, first with the 1LE and now with the Z/28.


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Old 04-12-2013, 12:25 PM   #577
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Recall those tag lines you see in advertising: "MSRP. Dealers may sell for less"? Well, in most jurisdictions, isn't it also "fair" that "Dealers may sell for whatever they can get"?

Less...more...in between...

Seems to be the way "free enterprise" works...which BTW isn't free, or even inexpensive, necessarily.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:59 PM   #578
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Seems to be the way "free enterprise" works...which BTW isn't free, or even inexpensive, necessarily.
Yes.

Truly free markets (free enterprise) don’t really exist. Every market has some rules and boundaries that restrict freedom of choice. A market looks free only because people so unconditionally accept its underlying restrictions that they fail to see those restrictions.

How ‘free’ a market is cannot be objectively defined. It is essentially a political definition. The usual standard claim by free-market economists that they are trying to defend the market from politically motivated interference by the government is false. Government is always involved, and those free-marketeers are as politically motivated as anyone.

Overcoming the myth that there is such a thing as an objectively defined ‘free market’ is a first step towards understanding markets and capitalism.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:25 PM   #579
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I respect your differing opinion, would you care to elaborate why you don't see an upside for Ford?
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Old 04-14-2013, 07:51 PM   #580
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I put out the 100K price...and here's some of my reasons why....After reading most of the posts discussing the pros and cons of this Z/28 from racers, the GM folks, and all the other interested members, what sticks out most to me is this: (gonna paraphrase best I can)...

"The car is targeted for a sub-set of those who actually track their cars"...

"Z/28 has out performed more than just the ZL1, but other more exotic and way more expensive track cars...."

"It's street-legal, but not meant for the street"...

"It's production numbers will be limited"...

Those ideas and others, tell me that this is definitely "Not the car for you...if...etc."...(Definitely not for me)...

It is the "Halo Car" and a "game-changer"....

I think the rationale for comparing it's features and pricing as if it's another assembly line car, like the ZL1 and even the Corvettes, to try and guesstimate a price for the Z/28 are way off and do not, and cannot apply to this car....It is beyond any leap-frog game to compete with lot sales for a comparable Ford or Dodge...It's gonna be a world-class competitor and winner on the world-stage...and will be priced accordingly...

...Not trying to be a downer or negative at all...I think when it comes to what we expect or what we think this car is all about, we haven't really seen anything yet...and the price will fall into that category also...
Gm already stated the z/28 wouldn't be limited and from a business owner and enthusiast perspective 100,00 is astronomical for this type camaro. Maybe I'll just buy a copo and call it A REAL GOOD DAY!!
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Old 04-14-2013, 07:55 PM   #581
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I remember when the ZL1 was announced...all the equipment it had standard...the outrageous performance figures started trickling out.....And everyone was guessing $60-$65 base price.

At some point...Fbodfather made a comment that I hadn't heard before...but it was brilliant, and I'll never forget it:

" **lists what it's made of, and what it can do** but despite all this, it's a Chevy - and that means value."


I think that applies here.

The Z/28 is made of expensive everywhere you look.....but it's a Chevy. And that's worth something.
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Old 04-14-2013, 07:57 PM   #582
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I remember when the ZL1 was announced...all the equipment it had standard...the outrageous performance figures started trickling out.....And everyone was guessing $60-$65 base price.

At some point...Fbodfather made a comment that I hadn't heard before...but it was brilliant, and I'll never forget it:

" **lists what it's made of, and what it can do** but despite all this, it's a Chevy - and that means value."


I think that applies here.

The Z/28 is made of expensive everywhere you look.....but it's a Chevy. And that's worth something.
EXACTLY!
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^, true,...many are going off into the deep end and predicting 70's, 80's even up to 100K. That's not going to happen, alot of people will be back peddling on this one.
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The Z/28 is made of expensive everywhere you look.....but it's a Chevy. And that's worth something.
Correct. It's a CHEV...but NOT a Cadillac...

I think a CTS-V should be the gla$$ ceiling, NOT the Z/28...
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^, true,...many are going off into the deep end and predicting 70's, 80's even up to 100K. That's not going to happen, alot of people will be back peddling on this one.
lol...We'll see...But if it isn't worth 100k, I ain't buying one for sure!!...lol
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Old 04-14-2013, 08:57 PM   #587
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I remember when the ZL1 was announced...all the equipment it had standard...the outrageous performance figures started trickling out.....And everyone was guessing $60-$65 base price.

At some point...Fbodfather made a comment that I hadn't heard before...but it was brilliant, and I'll never forget it:

" **lists what it's made of, and what it can do** but despite all this, it's a Chevy - and that means value."


I think that applies here.

The Z/28 is made of expensive everywhere you look.....but it's a Chevy. And that's worth something.
So true. I am still thinking it will be below 60k. I believe GM understands the target market pretty well.
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lol...We'll see...But if it isn't worth 100k, I ain't buying one for sure!!...lol
...try filling up the pool first next time........
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I understand gm has to cater to certain individuals every now and then . The z/28 was purposely built for those who wanted something they didn't have to pitch any extras into it for their accomplishment . Then comes along individuals like I who just have to break into it and unleash its terror . Oboy ! I Can't wait
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Old 04-15-2013, 04:53 PM   #590
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So true. I am still thinking it will be below 60k. I believe GM understands the target market pretty well.
I've given this a lot of thought and I actually have to retract my complaints or me being naive to its probable price. They built this car exactly as it should have been built. No exceptions and charge what they want.

Here's where it gets interesting. Many on this board wanted a factory LS7 camaro. Not many asked for it to be a track superstar. They wanted a gutted out high performance street brawler with an LS7. Ppl kept saying Z/28 because they hadn't made one yet and figuring that's what it should've been because for 3 decades it WAS just a badge; called it a Z/28 not realizing that they were asking for a true track beast.

So how about it GM? How about a $45-$50k street brawling machine naturally aspirated?
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Dude!! As much as I would love to see this happen. I don't think it's possible for 5 gen 1le
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I've given this a lot of thought and I actually have to retract my complaints or me being naive to its probable price. They built this car exactly as it should have been built. No exceptions and charge what they want.

Here's where it gets interesting. Many on this board wanted a factory LS7 camaro. Not many asked for it to be a track superstar. They wanted a gutted out high performance street brawler with an LS7. Ppl kept saying Z/28 because they hadn't made one yet and figuring that's what it should've been because for 3 decades it WAS just a badge; called it a Z/28 not realizing that they were asking for a true track beast.

So how about it GM? How about a $45-$50k street brawling machine naturally aspirated?
Don't despair, brother!...lol...The LS7 is pricier than you think...They don't build cars with a swap-meet, mix-n-match, let's make a deal mentality...I thought perhaps an LSA engine would become available after the ZL1 came out, to be put into a run of the mill, bare-bones SS...(Bargain base-ment priced, of course...lol) That would've been street brawler enough for me...but, nope, no such luck...

Just sayin', if you think we're gonna see an LS7 in anything other than this Z/28, don't hold your breath...lol....It's pretty clear they aren't gonna go the "Z28" route again, for a lot of reasons, all good IMO....

....The car you want is gonna be a modded out LS3 or a good used ZL-1...and you can shed weight on it to your heart's content....The engines they have to choose from to drop in these cars, is limited...And IMO they have maxed out with all the possible combos already that will be seen from the factory....

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Want that engine!

After owning a 06,06,& 10 Z06 would love to have that engine in a Camaro. I wish Chevy would include it as an engine option for the 2SS. I want to be able to drive it on the road with all the other creature comforts of the normal 2SS. Live in the midwest where potholes are everywhere and with those tires (almost slicks) and the low tire sidewalls they would be out-of-round the first week. I know Chevy reads these posts so maybe the 2015 model the engine will be an available option.
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After owning a 06,06,& 10 Z06 would love to have that engine in a Camaro. I wish Chevy would include it as an engine option for the 2SS. I want to be able to drive it on the road with all the other creature comforts of the normal 2SS. Live in the midwest where potholes are everywhere and with those tires (almost slicks) and the low tire sidewalls they would be out-of-round the first week. I know Chevy reads these posts so maybe the 2015 model the engine will be an available option.
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And how much would you be willing to pay for the optional LS7?
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And how much would you be willing to pay for the optional LS7?
$45k tops. Why would it cost anymore if you left an SS as is? LS7s are not THAT expensive. You must subtract an LS3 from the price of that LS7. You can't add it on top of the price of an SS because you're not getting 2 engines. The harness needed and dry sump configured into the car? A 2SS would be $45k. 1SS $42k?
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$45k tops. Why would it cost anymore if you left an SS as is? LS7s are not THAT expensive. You must subtract an LS3 from the price of that LS7. You can't add it on top of the price of an SS because you're not getting 2 engines. The harness needed and dry sump configured into the car? A 2SS would be $45k. 1SS $42k?

As good as this sounds,you can't just slap an LS7 in an SS and call it a day. Well,you could,but GM certainly isn't going to do it without the upgraded associated parts necessary to warranty it for 100k miles.
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$45k tops. Why would it cost anymore if you left an SS as is? LS7s are not THAT expensive. You must subtract an LS3 from the price of that LS7. You can't add it on top of the price of an SS because you're not getting 2 engines. The harness needed and dry sump configured into the car? A 2SS would be $45k. 1SS $42k?
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As good as this sounds,you can't just slap an LS7 in an SS and call it a day. Well,you could,but GM certainly isn't going to do it without the upgraded associated parts necessary to warranty it for 100k miles.
I agree with Wondering. If GM were to have an LS7 available to put in, they would need to go through the drivetrain and suspension to warranty it and that cost $. I would say it would be in the neighborhood of 48k as a base for the 2SS, before any options. And don't forget the ADM's unless you can get it from a dealer like Rogers Chevrolet
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