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Old 03-28-2013, 09:07 AM   #101
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After reading a few posts - I simply came here to respond to a couple of them because I realized that too many people don't understand what the original intent of the Z/28 really was.......:

go back and read the history of WHY the Z28 was introduced in the first place.

Don't 'guess' and don't try to 'interpret' - because some of us were actually around back then! (I didn't mean that as a shot -- but.......)

Tidbit: the 1967 Z28 didn't have Z28 anywhere on the car - it was simply an option code (RPO) that essentially said: "This is the car we're building to compete in SCCA's Trans Am racing series. All others beware!" It was not meant to be a daily driver - and this new Z/28 is not meant to be a daily driver. it will "separate the men from the boys" so to speak....... If you want comfort -- this is not the car for you.....


We stayed true to the original intent. Want a stereo radio? Go buy a ZL1 or a
1LE or an SS and make mods.

The Z/28 is essentially a race car.

Sorry that some of you don't like that.....but we have to make hard decisions and I stand behind this Z/28 'til the cows come home.

I don't like to be this abrupt - but I'm operating on very little sleep - it's been a long week -- and frankly my patience is running a bit thin with people who don't understand what a Z/28 really is meant to be........


(....oh - and for those of you who are nay-sayers? I wish you could have heard the remarks about the new Z/28 - people at the unveil were blown away.......)
This is the real Z28 the way it had to be, so thank you all for the car, this is the way Z/28 was meant to be, to the members that say we Want a stereo radio in the Z/28 , you have the best stereo of all, its called a LS7 did you not hear it on the video.
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I think for the most part , people could care less about the AC and stereo (I know I don't care). People are a little miffed because this thing is going to cost $70-75k (speculation based on GM saying this will be at the apex of the Camaro Tier). People have been clammering since 2010 for a Z-28 and now GM builds a $75k, LIMITED PRODUCTION, track car? Don't get me wrong, it's bad ass, but why a limited numbers car? It should come as a $45k base with options for all the bells and whistles.
..... and that's what I don't understand.....

Not since 1969 has GM been so true to the heritage of the Z/28... the 70's, 80's and 90's cars were watered down versions. The new car is a 69 Z/28 with 2014 technology. (or close enough)

Check out the MSRP's from 1969
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I haven't been warned in a while, so here goes.......

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU SPOILED BRATS?????

You don't like the new Z/28? FINE! Just quit bitching!

Go back and read what a lot of the old-timers, that knew what a Z/28 was, have been saying what a 5th gen car should be....... GM NAILED IT!

You bitch because it doesn't have A/C... really? Get the friggin A/C option! sheesh.

You bitch because it doesn't have a radio.... TOUGH! Go buy a honda and fill the back seat with 12's and amps, or whatever you kids are doing nowadays.

You bitch because it's going to be expensive..... It has a LS7 with the dry sump system intact! It also has the drivetrain to handle that power all.day.long.

It has brakes that are only found on high dollar exotics! I'm amazed they did that, very cool!

It has high dollar Recaro's that will keep you comfy while you're pulling hard G's thru the corners... SWEET!

This car has all the bells and whistles a Z/28 needs, without all the fluff it doesn't.

WELL DONE GM!!!



I've read most all of the Z/28 posts... for a few years now... I'm really disappointed that the younger generation doesn't even know what the car is.




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Old 03-28-2013, 09:16 AM   #104
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This makes me laugh....Some people wanted a true track/race car..Well now you have it. And your complaining..Let me say this. If you want a track car with all the options go get a 1LE. This car was built for the track plan and simple. Alot of people wanted a true race car and now you have it.

And to the person that said keep under 40 with an LS7 what are you smoking because I want some of it. The motor alone is 15k.

Think before you post on how they missed the mark. The team did a great job on the car. This car isn't for everyone and they knew that going in.

Until you really understand what is involved on getting a new car to market then don't put your 2 cents in. It costs more to have a car without a/c then to have one with.
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GM has covered every hole with the 5th gen and people are crying about the Z/28

Everything you guys are crying about is in the ZL1 buy that and be happy..

If this is about the Z/28 badge buy them and put them on your car and be that guy...


And as far as missing the boat? HAHA GM will sell everyone of them and the list will be long for the wait for one..
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This makes me laugh....Some people wanted a true track/race car..Well now you have it. And your complaining..Let me say this. If you want a track car with all the options go get a 1LE. This car was built for the track plan and simple. Alot of people wanted a true race car and now you have it.

And to the person that said keep under 40 with an LS7 what are you smoking because I want some of it. The motor alone is 15k.

Think before you post on how they missed the mark. The team did a great job on the car. This car isn't for everyone and they knew that going in.

Until you really understand what is involved on getting a new car to market then don't put your 2 cents in. It costs more to have a car without a/c then to have one with.

Agreed.. We live in the give me what I want for nothing generation..

These guys need to learn how to get their learn on and edumacate themselfs..
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The fenders are acid dipped aluminum they made the car very light weight. Scott told those of us lucky enough to be at the unveiling all about it. I over heard an engineer say it was 3seconds faster on the track then the zl1
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This makes me laugh....Some people wanted a true track/race car..Well now you have it. And your complaining..Let me say this. If you want a track car with all the options go get a 1LE. This car was built for the track plan and simple. Alot of people wanted a true race car and now you have it.

And to the person that said keep under 40 with an LS7 what are you smoking because I want some of it. The motor alone is 15k.

Think before you post on how they missed the mark. The team did a great job on the car. This car isn't for everyone and they knew that going in.

Until you really understand what is involved on getting a new car to market then don't put your 2 cents in. It costs more to have a car without a/c then to have one with.
Why should people be thankful for a car they can't afford? People wanted a Z/28 so they could buy one. You didn't think people wanted a Z/28 so they could just talk about how fast it is? I just don't see how people here need to be attacked for wishing they had a shot in hell of buying a Z/28. Seems elitist to me.
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..... and that's what I don't understand.....

Not since 1969 has GM been so true to the heritage of the Z/28... the 70's, 80's and 90's cars were watered down versions. The new car is a 69 Z/28 with 2014 technology. (or close enough)

Check out the MSRP's from 1969
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http://www.oldride.com/library/1969_...et_camaro.html

You tell people to "shut up" and that they are "borderline trolling", well you DEFINITELY are. This forum is for people to express their opinions, just because you don't agree, doesn't make anyone else wrong.
I think there are folks that were just blindsided by this. If you were saving and waiting for a Z/28 and then find out it's just a track car it's a bit of a disappointment. There's no point in even discussing the price.

I'm not a fan of Mustangs and could stand to get a new car. I was waiting for this announcement for 2 years. If you're happy with this version of the Z/28, good for you.
If I feel like GM just took the Z/28 badge and threw it in the mud, that's my opinion.
I'm not happy about it at all. There's nothing I can do about it, I just have to find another vehicle that CAN be a daily driver.
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Why should people be thankful for a car they can't afford? People wanted a Z/28 so they could buy one. You didn't think people wanted a Z/28 so they could just talk about how fast it is? I just don't people here need to be attacked for wishing they had a shot in hell of buying a Z/28. Seems elitist to me.

Again!!! It would not be a true Z/28!!! You guys are looking at the badge name not what the car is and should be and is..

All the other models have what you guys want and wish to have except the badge..
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Why should people be thankful for a car they can't afford? People wanted a Z/28 so they could buy one. You didn't think people wanted a Z/28 so they could just talk about how fast it is? I just don't see how people here need to be attacked for wishing they had a shot in hell of buying a Z/28. Seems elitist to me.

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Again!!! It would not be a true Z/28!!! You guys are looking at the badge name not what the car is and should be and is..

All the other models have what you guys want and wish to have except the badge..
I am happy that you are happy and may be able to go out and get one...the rest of us 99% will just have to read about them in magazines and then it will piss us off more because we will be reminded that we can't get one!
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After reading a few posts - I simply came here to respond to a couple of them because I realized that too many people don't understand what the original intent of the Z/28 really was.......:

go back and read the history of WHY the Z28 was introduced in the first place.

Don't 'guess' and don't try to 'interpret' - because some of us were actually around back then! (I didn't mean that as a shot -- but.......)

Tidbit: the 1967 Z28 didn't have Z28 anywhere on the car - it was simply an option code (RPO) that essentially said: "This is the car we're building to compete in SCCA's Trans Am racing series. All others beware!" It was not meant to be a daily driver - and this new Z/28 is not meant to be a daily driver. it will "separate the men from the boys" so to speak....... If you want comfort -- this is not the car for you.....


We stayed true to the original intent. Want a stereo radio? Go buy a ZL1 or a
1LE or an SS and make mods.

The Z/28 is essentially a race car.

Sorry that some of you don't like that.....but we have to make hard decisions and I stand behind this Z/28 'til the cows come home.

I don't like to be this abrupt - but I'm operating on very little sleep - it's been a long week -- and frankly my patience is running a bit thin with people who don't understand what a Z/28 really is meant to be........


(....oh - and for those of you who are nay-sayers? I wish you could have heard the remarks about the new Z/28 - people at the unveil were blown away.......)
Fbodfather, you gave us even MORE than we (us old faithful Z28 guys) asked for in the Z28 threads. As you know for years we've been carrying the torch while numbskulls would pop in to call us fools for believing. This Z28 I put on level with cars like the GT3 911's and such. To say I'm impressed does not even get close to how I feel about what you've done.

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After reading a few posts - I simply came here to respond to a couple of them because I realized that too many people don't understand what the original intent of the Z/28 really was.......:

go back and read the history of WHY the Z28 was introduced in the first place.

Don't 'guess' and don't try to 'interpret' - because some of us were actually around back then! (I didn't mean that as a shot -- but.......)

Tidbit: the 1967 Z28 didn't have Z28 anywhere on the car - it was simply an option code (RPO) that essentially said: "This is the car we're building to compete in SCCA's Trans Am racing series. All others beware!" It was not meant to be a daily driver - and this new Z/28 is not meant to be a daily driver. it will "separate the men from the boys" so to speak....... If you want comfort -- this is not the car for you.....


We stayed true to the original intent. Want a stereo radio? Go buy a ZL1 or a
1LE or an SS and make mods.

The Z/28 is essentially a race car.

Sorry that some of you don't like that.....but we have to make hard decisions and I stand behind this Z/28 'til the cows come home.

I don't like to be this abrupt - but I'm operating on very little sleep - it's been a long week -- and frankly my patience is running a bit thin with people who don't understand what a Z/28 really is meant to be........


(....oh - and for those of you who are nay-sayers? I wish you could have heard the remarks about the new Z/28 - people at the unveil were blown away.......)
ha ha ha they were probably just blown away because being that close to it, they could feel how expensive it would be and felt pick-pocketed just being in the same building!! LOL
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http://www.oldride.com/library/1969_...et_camaro.html

You tell people to "shut up" and that they are "borderline trolling", well you DEFINITELY are. This forum is for people to express their opinions, just because you don't agree, doesn't make anyone else wrong.
I think there are folks that were just blindsided by this. If you were saving and waiting for a Z/28 and then find out it's just a track car it's a bit of a disappointment. There's no point in even discussing the price.

I'm not a fan of Mustangs and could stand to get a new car. I was waiting for this announcement for 2 years. If you're happy with this version of the Z/28, good for you.
If I feel like GM just took the Z/28 badge and threw it in the mud, that's my opinion.
I'm not happy about it at all. There's nothing I can do about it, I just have to find another vehicle that CAN be a daily driver.
This! I was so excited watching the unveil live yesterday, then came the rest. Per GM: Top-tiered Camaro (at least a price of $70k probably) and pretty much a stripped down, rough riding track car. I'm not arguing, it is no doubt cool as Hell! I was more expecting a 1LE type set-up though. Maybe a base of $45k with a list of options you can choose from. Good job GM, but the limited production and PROBABLE price is leaving a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths that have been waiting years for this.
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Why should people be thankful for a car they can't afford? People wanted a Z/28 so they could buy one. You didn't think people wanted a Z/28 so they could just talk about how fast it is? I just don't see how people here need to be attacked for wishing they had a shot in hell of buying a Z/28. Seems elitist to me.
OK so why would they bring another car out just like the others? Say you took a 1LE slapped a LS7 and the brakes on it would still be more than a ZL1.

Again the motor is 15K alone..

And if you did that then people would say this is just stupid. Why would I pay for a for a 1LE with a LS7 in it when I can get a s/c for alot less and be just has fast..

Either way you go people will not be happy.
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I am happy that you are happy and may be able to go out and get one...the rest of us 99% will just have to read about them in magazines and then it will piss us off more because we will be reminded that we can't get one!

For the record I'm not getting one nor do I want one.. The difference is I know what this car should be and is..

I also know that what they put into it is not cheap and will cost money..

Price the motor, Suspension, Seats, and come back and tell me this car should cost as much as an SS..
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I'm not happy about it at all. There's nothing I can do about it, I just have to find another vehicle that CAN be a daily driver.
Why not a ZL1? What is it missing for you other than a Z/28 badge?
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THIS!

This Z28 will return soooooo much in marketing for GM it would make them money without being sold. It will be compared to cars costing much much much more and will blow them away. There is now a Camaro for everyone who could want one. Want a Camaro with all the goodies and performance buy the ZL1. Want a track star for a very low price buy a 1LE. Want a boulevard cruiser Camaro the SS fits the bill. Want a sporty inexpensive Camaro buy a V6. Want a true racecar for the street?...May I introduce you to the Z28.
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My only gripe is that it is dressed up and ready to go to a party... but there isn't one to go to.

Late 1960's SCCA stock under 5.0 Liter class was the place for Camaro to compete in sanctioned races against the competition back in the day. "Win on Sunday - Sell on Monday". It was the ONLY reason we were given a Z/28 in the first place. Not exactly unhappy with the new Z but something just seems to be "missing" here.

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I dont care what your arguments are, some of you guys just want a badge to show off.
My 97 Z28, as much as i love it, does not do the brand justice. This car does.
If its not for you theres a ZL1 or 1LE that fits the need.
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Why not a ZL1? What is it missing for you other than a Z/28 badge?
I though I'd go for a used 45th or 1LE if anything, although I am not a fan of cloth seats.
Quite frankly, I've been waiting for the Z/28 announcement for so long, thinking that it was going to be affordable if GM was staying true to their roots.
After yesterdays announcement, I'm so disgusted by the price that I'm not sure I'll buy a Camaro at all or any other GM product. I'll have to think on that one.
If I wanted something in the Vette to Viper price range, I'd look at those vehicles.
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Question for all the haters.
Whats your ideal Z28?
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"true to the heritage"


http://www.oldride.com/library/1969_...et_camaro.html

You tell people to "shut up" and that they are "borderline trolling", well you DEFINITELY are. This forum is for people to express their opinions, just because you don't agree, doesn't make anyone else wrong.
I think there are folks that were just blindsided by this. If you were saving and waiting for a Z/28 and then find out it's just a track car it's a bit of a disappointment. There's no point in even discussing the price.

I'm not a fan of Mustangs and could stand to get a new car. I was waiting for this announcement for 2 years. If you're happy with this version of the Z/28, good for you.
If I feel like GM just took the Z/28 badge and threw it in the mud, that's my opinion.
I'm not happy about it at all. There's nothing I can do about it, I just have to find another vehicle that CAN be a daily driver.
The Camaro lineup has NEVER been more diverse in it's history than it is today..... they even offered a BIW for the ala carte folks.

Just what in the Sam Hill does it take to make you happy???

... and yes, the Z/28 is true to it's 1st gen heritage... in performance and price. Actually, in some ways, it's excelled... is that what makes you sad?

Sure they've mixed the RPO and COPO codes around a bit, big deal.

Here's the part I don't get..... you can get the Camaro in ~10 variations, from economical to track king and all in-between..... what more do you want???
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