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Old 03-28-2013, 01:41 PM   #176
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I haven't been warned in a while, so here goes.......

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU SPOILED BRATS?????

You don't like the new Z/28? FINE! Just quit bitching!

Go back and read what a lot of the old-timers, that knew what a Z/28 was, have been saying what a 5th gen car should be....... GM NAILED IT!

You bitch because it doesn't have A/C... really? Get the friggin A/C option! sheesh.

You bitch because it doesn't have a radio.... TOUGH! Go buy a honda and fill the back seat with 12's and amps, or whatever you kids are doing nowadays.

You bitch because it's going to be expensive..... It has a LS7 with the dry sump system intact! It also has the drivetrain to handle that power all.day.long.

It has brakes that are only found on high dollar exotics! I'm amazed they did that, very cool!

It has high dollar Recaro's that will keep you comfy while you're pulling hard G's thru the corners... SWEET!

This car has all the bells and whistles a Z/28 needs, without all the fluff it doesn't.

WELL DONE GM!!!



I've read most all of the Z/28 posts... for a few years now... I'm really disappointed that the younger generation doesn't even know what the car is.

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When my wife says she like the thought of a Z/28, I think GM did it right!! Considering we own a ZL1.
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Please send me your mailing address -- and your full name - as I am going to leave all my earthly belongings to you in my will as I'm so grateful for your voice of wisdom and reason.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:48 PM   #180
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Here's my take on this.... and maybe I'm in left feild as well but hear me out a sec.

After reading the statement that Mr. Settlemire made earlier in the thread... I think GM has somewhat built this bed for themselves... not bashing but check it out.

So the Z28 was born to race... in 1967 and years later... yes we know that. But, what followed was the birth of the "Z28" Camaro that most of us know as the Camaro to go get in the 80's and 90's and even 2000's... up until 1996 when the Z28 was built by GM and sent to SLP to have the SS package installed so then the SS was the car to go get.

Where did GM go wrong in my opinion? They took the RPO Z28 and made it the everyday sports car with the creature comforts, the style, the go fast motor, an affordable sports car... and put em on the dealer lots, cause there was no other option for Camaro unless you wanted a V6 Camaro or Corvette which most couldn't afford then or needed more than 2 seats.

So fast forward to 2010.... I think everyone was expecting to see "that" car again... The Z28 that handles good, the badges, the leather interior and amenities, go fast motor.... Not the race car that it was orginally set out to be and new race car that it's gonna be. I'm not saying it's GM's fault for this uproar, but I don't think they done themselves any favors by making it the prime Camaro to get for so many years through the 80's, 90's and early 2000's, because that is what set the expectations for so many here and it's not what people were expecting.

I like the car... its options, and what it stands for... even though I really have no use for it cause I don't race or have a track to go to. So that brings us to the ZL-1... which I think IS "that" car we were so used to seeing over the last 25 years, just with different badges.

....and what I'd say to you is that if we did the exact opposite, we'd be getting bashed from those whose opinions are 180 degrees from yours.

LOOK AT THE LINEUP...... WE BUILD A CAMARO FOR (quoting Alfred Sloan) "every purse and every purpose"

(......you younguns -- go read up on Mr. Alfred Sloan.....also Mr. Vince Piggins......)
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Please send me your mailing address -- and your full name - as I am going to leave all my earthly belongings to you in my will as I'm so grateful for your voice of wisdom and reason.
"voice of wisdom and reason"
At least you have a sense of humor...
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:55 PM   #182
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Why should people be thankful for a car they can't afford? People wanted a Z/28 so they could buy one. You didn't think people wanted a Z/28 so they could just talk about how fast it is? I just don't see how people here need to be attacked for wishing they had a shot in hell of buying a Z/28. Seems elitist to me.

And to you I would reply that we had a lot of really upset Camaro Enthusiasts - those who have been enthusiasts for 40+ years in many cases - and others not that long but who loved the Z/28 moniker and thought we'd thrown the name in the mud by putting it on cars with less than 200 hp.........

They were upset for many years and some others weren't.

We can't (nor can any manufacturer) keep everyone happy.

We (as custodians of the brand) believe we did what needed to be done.

(....I also suspect we'll have people applying Z28 emblems -- note I did not say Z/28 - on their Camaros.....even though they're not real Z/28s....)
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:59 PM   #184
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I dont care what your arguments are, some of you guys just want a badge to show off.
My 97 Z28, as much as i love it, does not do the brand justice. This car does.
If its not for you theres a ZL1 or 1LE that fits the need.
VERY WELL PUT and well thought out!



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Old 03-28-2013, 02:01 PM   #185
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You are absolutely right. We ARE limiting the market for this car. It is not for everyone.

I'm trying to decide exactly what the issues are here and I'm starting to believe it's because we have two schools of thought here:

The first school wants the Z/28 to go back to its roots. (Hint: did you note that the car is a "Z/28" and not a "Z28"??? -- go do your homework.......)

The second school wants a Z/28 (I should say in this instance "Z28" that can be built 15 bazillion different ways........)

We made a decision and we're sticking to it. The "Z/28" is a hallowed moniker that became 'less and less' to some people over the years.....

If you are not happy the way the Z/28 is configured, we offer you:

>SS/L99

>SS/LS3

>SS/1LE/LS3

>ZL1


And if that's not enough for you - you may want to consider ordering a 1LE and then modding or dropping your own LS7 engine in the engine bay........


Lastly - and I'll say it again (pay attention!) CAFE STANDARDS! Get used to them or vote our electeds in Washington out of office...........
And thanks to you I did do my homework many moons ago..

I know more about the Camaro line then I ever thought I would..
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:04 PM   #186
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Check out the options and price of the '69, and you want to try and tell me that the 2014 is "true to it's 1st gen heritage" ? No, it's not.
I was hoping that it would be. I'm not sad, more mad than anything else.
I'd love a Camaro Z/28 that wasn't designed to be a garage queen.
GM has other ideas. I'll just keep looking, maybe the new 'Cuda will look better than some of the renders online.

We aren't talking 1969 Camaro Z/28.....we are talking the original Z/28.

There's a subtle difference.

Further - that was 1969 -- this is 2013.

We didn't have crash standards in 1969

We didn't have CAFE in 1969

We didn't live in a litigious society in 1969

And -- apparently we lived in a more reasonable and polite society back then........

Please go price an LS7. Then tell me how you'd offer a car (knowing that every manufacturer has to get to 50+ mpg by 2022 and it's an upward slope.

I'll say this again: CAFE WILL NECESSARILY PRICE V8 PERFORMANCE HIGHER AND HIGHER....... That's not something that GM or Ford wants - but it's something we must comply with.
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If people are complaining about the estimated price then they do not understand the cost of go fast goodies.

Obviously there is a group here who wish this car was watered down to a price point they can afford but to those people I ask "how different would a car like that be to what Chevrolet is offering now"?


OK Mr Twisty and Gear Bangr - move over - gotta make room for Mr. Hylton in the Will.............
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That's true. But it doesn't mean GM should jack up the price to insure it doesn't make it to the track or be suitable for garage queens. Right? I mean stripped down it shouldn't cost what they're going to charge for it. Plain and simple.
That's not why the price will be high. Are they removing a few things? Yes but it's peanuts in terms of cost savings. The real cost is in the brakes, engine, rear-end, wheels and tires. It costs money to design, build, acquire and test this stuff.

Please stop thinking this is a stripped down car. The car is going to be expensive and rightfully so.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:12 PM   #189
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Welp, that about wraps it up then. FbodFATHER has spoken. If ya don't have around $70-75k, then ya don't have a car. Forget about ever owning a Z/28, mod the Hell out your current ride and be happy!
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Fbodfather, I wish to thank you and the entire Camaro team for putting together such an awesome Z/28! I have been a Camaro owner and fan since the '60s, having bought new Camaros in '67 (RS) and '69 (Z/28). I was beginning to believe that we'd never see another Z/28 built with the heritage of the original Z/28, the Camaro team has knocked it out of the ballpark and I'm ecstatic! You've always said to "keep the faith" and that practice has finaslly paid a very handsome dividend.
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As a Camaro enthusiast and dealership employee, I'm super stoked at the Camaro lineup now. Even though I dispise the hood extractor and chrome on the front bumper of RS cars, I think the lineup is the best it has been since 1969. We're pretty lucky to have such a wide array of cars to choose from. I've been a dealership employee for a long time and this is the best lineup of cars I've ever seen.

If you're complaining about the Z28 being too expensive, you only want the car for the badge. If the 1LE were badged Z28, you would be doing cartwheels with excitement and singing praises to GM. You should be doing that anyway. The Z28 was just a badge for a long time. It's finally getting back to where it all began.

Bravo to GM for building this car and not making it a badge like it was for the better part of 30 years.
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I wish I could afford a new Z/28, but I'll be content with my 1LE for now. I owned a '69 Z/28 with standard steering, and a radio. Wonder if the younger generation could imagine wrenching that steering wheel around, with out power assist, and hearing that DZ 302 screaming through the chambered exhaust. The Z/28 is back to it's roots with a vengence.
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It seems regardless of price the Z/28 (beside the name) is not what those arguing want anyway. What if GM offered the Camaro with others options and at other pricepoints...Oh they DO!
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"voice of wisdom and reason"
At least you have a sense of humor...

I HAVE to have a sense of humor! Look at the bashing in the past three days.

People are carrying on about tail-lights to the point that you'd think the world was coming to an end.

We unveiled a legendary car yesterday -- and yet no matter WHAT we do - we have people saying horrible things......

...and ONE person wanting to "take it to Camaro5Fest" --

People - how 'bout we stop and think before we post? How 'bout we realize that just because we don't always get what we want doesn't mean that others are completely wrong or that "..the Disciples should be fired!...."

Yeah -- I'm just hootin' it up here............
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Welp, that about wraps it up then. FbodFATHER has spoken. If ya don't have around $70-75k, then ya don't have a car. Forget about ever owning a Z/28, mod the Hell out your current ride and be happy!
WHERE did I say $70-75K?

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You are absolutely right. We ARE limiting the market for this car. It is not for everyone.

I'm trying to decide exactly what the issues are here and I'm starting to believe it's because we have two schools of thought here:

The first school wants the Z/28 to go back to its roots. (Hint: did you note that the car is a "Z/28" and not a "Z28"??? -- go do your homework.......)

The second school wants a Z/28 (I should say in this instance "Z28" that can be built 15 bazillion different ways........)

We made a decision and we're sticking to it. The "Z/28" is a hallowed moniker that became 'less and less' to some people over the years.....

If you are not happy the way the Z/28 is configured, we offer you:

>SS/L99

>SS/LS3

>SS/1LE/LS3

>ZL1


And if that's not enough for you - you may want to consider ordering a 1LE and then modding or dropping your own LS7 engine in the engine bay........


Lastly - and I'll say it again (pay attention!) CAFE STANDARDS! Get used to them or vote our electeds in Washington out of office...........
So from today's stand point will the ZL1 be the moniker that has track/comfortability in one? I guess what I'm asking is will it be available for the 6th Gen and stick to the format from the 5th Gen.

Thank you.
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WHERE did I say $70-75K?

Please do not put words in my mouth.
Sorry, I wasn't quoting you. It's just what has been speculated on here. GM said it will be the top-tier Camaro and well, the ZL1 is around $60k, so speculation leads us to those numbers.
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Look no company is perfect and GM certainly is not. History proves this for GM and many many companies.

That said, I defy anybody on this board to provide sound reason why GM has not only hit a home run with the Z/28 but completely hit it out of the park with the 5th Generation platform!

I grew up in the 70's and by the time I got my license the muscle ERA was over. What we have available to us as performance enthusiasts, right now, is as good as any time in history.

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Sorry, I wasn't quoting you. It's just what has been speculated on here. GM said it will be the top-tier Camaro and well, the ZL1 is around $60k, so speculation leads us to those numbers.
Wonder why it's a big mystery...I would have thought part of a "Reveal" would be reveal the price, as well...How long is this Price bs gonna last before anybody knows?
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VERY WELL PUT and well thought out!



OK Mr. Twisty - I need to add Mr. GearBangr to the will as well...........
Curious to know the era when they both were raised I could be wrong but it seems those that were grew up in the era of the original Z/28 is happy and those they grew up with the 3-4th Gen are disappointed? Not saying its a complete bad thing but maybe we expected something else then what we have. Not taking anything away from what GM has done though so don't take that the wrong way. Hard to explain I guess.

Can you build a time machine for those who weren't around so we can witness this so called greatness? Im not being sarcastic either part of me is jealous that i wasnt around. Hmmm. That would be great idea for a commercial plot for the Z/28.

Either way, I'm sticking by the brand. So 30-40 years from now I can say the 2014 Z/28 is what started things back to the way it should have been.
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