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Old 03-28-2013, 10:18 AM   #51
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I sort of remember a lot of similar griping over the cost, and the dealer-mark up, limited numbers to be made, out of reach for buyers, etc., for the ZL-1...I'd say the first reactions to the Z/28 are quite similar...so maybe just wait and see...
Man, are you brainwashed. I am sure that more than 90% of us on here can do math pretty well and read..Mark Reuss said it will be the most expensive camaro to date. EVEN if you start with a 1SS, and add 14 for the engine, 6 for tranny, 6k for the brakes, there is no way in hell does that add up to less than 50K!! That is not even the tip of the iceberg!!
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For so many years of Camaro's thru the 70's,80's and 90's the Z-28 was a street driving option. No more, it's back to it's original roots. RACE CAR. Not intended for everyday street use. And race cars are expensive. The Z-28 will probably be the most expensive street legal Camaro. For us regular people, we have the SS and I hope the ZL1 and 1LE will still be options. There is something for everyone. I think this whole Chevy line up is just awesome.
It's just a money racket. In 1969, the difference between a V8 and a Z-28 was around $1000. Here we have a base V8 of around $32000 and a Z-28 that will probably be at LEAST double. It doesn't add up. Race car or not, it's a package. $50k should be tops. The ZL-1 back then was the most expensive car and only 69 were made and I understand not just anyone could get these cars. But they're just blowing the Z out of proportion to what you're getting for your money. GM will probably make $25000+ on each one sold.
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Lots of crying in here, Ford is selling every GT500 they can make and they price out over 60k with a couple options.

Have you guys not looked at a new truck or Tahoe lately? I looked at a LTZ Tahoe last night with a sticker of 62K and a crew cab 1500 that was close to 50k

At 59,990 GM will sell everyone they want to make, even at 64,995 they will.
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I'm coming to the conclusion that this car is going to be like the Cobra-R in 2000 from Ford. Limited production, expensive, not your everyday driver, track car. What do you think?
I think thats the idea they have for the Z/28. Track car that can be driven on the street, but I bet you they make a hell of alot more than 300 of them lol.
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Lots of crying in here, Ford is selling every GT500 they can make and they price out over 60k with a couple options.

Have you guys not looked at a new truck or Tahoe lately? I looked at a LTZ Tahoe last night with a sticker of 62K and a crew cab 1500 that was close to 50k

At 59,990 GM will sell everyone they want to make, even at 64,995 they will.
Ummm the GT500 has all the bells as whistles in it if you want it for the price. Here you have a stripped out camaro and they're probably wanting $65000+ for it. You're telling me that's a bargain? Lol
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In perspective, the Laguna Seca is just as "track oriented" and it comes in at less that 50K! Oh wait, and it has a purpose built engine for it just for that car!! I will never own a Ford, I have always had the Chevrolet Passion but dammit I feel like I have been kicked in the balls then given an ice pack then kicked again repeatedly..you get the point.
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Lots of crying in here, Ford is selling every GT500 they can make and they price out over 60k with a couple options.

Have you guys not looked at a new truck or Tahoe lately? I looked at a LTZ Tahoe last night with a sticker of 62K and a crew cab 1500 that was close to 50k

At 59,990 GM will sell everyone they want to make, even at 64,995 they will.
ha ha ha ha CRYING??? I own a Tahoe!! I bought it for the comfort and assuredness of safety for my kids for around town and for trips!! You can not even compare the two! I knew it had all the bells and whistles and I paid for it...it was and is every penny worth what I spent on it. It doesn't just sit in the garage.
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"The 1969 Chevrolet Z28 Camaro remains one of Americas most desirable Muscle Cars of all. With just $458 added to the base price of $2,726 of a Camaro coupe, the Z28 included twin rally stripes, quicker steering and the F41 handling suspension with E70x15 raised-letter tires on seven-inch wide rims."

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They even said in the presentation this car is not for everyone. You want the amenities? Buy a SS 1LE or ZL1. I don't see what the problem is unless you just like the Z28 badge.
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"The 1969 Chevrolet Z28 Camaro remains one of Americas most desirable Muscle Cars of all. With just $458 added to the base price of $2,726 of a Camaro coupe, the Z28 included twin rally stripes, quicker steering and the F41 handling suspension with E70x15 raised-letter tires on seven-inch wide rims."

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Yep. And at $458 with inflation that's what? $5000 today? Yet somehow Chevy wants to make sure it's 95% cork sniffers buying these up when it wasn't the cork sniffers asking for it to be produced.
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Ummm the Gt 500 is around 70k now if you are lucky.
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They even said in the presentation this car is not for everyone. You want the amenities? Buy a SS 1LE or ZL1. I don't see what the problem is unless you just like the Z28 badge.
It's not for everyone because of the PRICE! Make it 45k and I assure you, SS camaros would be sitting on the lots for yrs to come. It doesn't matter about amenities. You don't buy a camaro for amenities. You buy it for its performance. GM doesn't want 3 million race cars on the road today. Otherwise they'd have given it to the very ppl that asked for it. Right?
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Ummm the Gt 500 is around 70k now if you are lucky.
yeah but that's cause dealer markup....what do ya think it'll be on these?

simple fact is the car is outta reach for most....As Tallica once said: SAD BUT TRUE
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Ummm the Gt 500 is around 70k now if you are lucky.
Still.... You're getting more car there than buying a Z are you not? You're getting 662HP plus amenities. I understand it'll beat out a GT500 on a track. No doubt there, but the price they'll ask for it won't compensate what you actually get is what I'm getting at. I'm thrilled they brought it out! But they failed to give it to those that asked for it. That's the problem. Spending 65+k on a performance car so you can just say you have one? That's GMs intent. Only intent with this.
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Still.... You're getting more car there than buying a Z are you not? You're getting 662HP plus amenities. I understand it'll beat out a GT500 on a track. No doubt there, but the price they'll ask for it won't compensate what you actually get is what I'm getting at. I'm thrilled they brought it out! But they failed to give it to those that asked for it. That's the problem. Spending 65+k on a performance car so you can you have one? That's GMs intent. Only intent with this.
For a DD, yes..the GT500 will beat the Z/28 on the street/strip where 99% of us live. The track? Hell no..but then again who goes to a track?? GM's HALO car...that is it.
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It's not for everyone because of the PRICE! Make it 45k and I assure you, SS camaros would be sitting on the lots for yrs to come. It doesn't matter about amenities. You don't buy a camaro for amenities. You buy it for its performance. GM doesn't want 3 million race cars on the road today. Otherwise they'd have given it to the very ppl that asked for it. Right?
Honestly, that's a generalization in a different aspect. In 2013, people do care about HIDs, navigation, full color touchscreens, bluetooth, stereos, AC, etc. GM has a Camaro for everyone now. You aren't getting this for 45K, just read the feature list again. It is my opinion that this is a halo car built and tuned for the track to build the performance brand. Low volume.
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yeah but that's cause dealer markup....what do ya think it'll be on these?

simple fact is the car is outta reach for most....As Tallica once said: SAD BUT TRUE
IMO, 75k at least.
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That's definitely a bummer - but the hand-built LS7 isn't cheap, nor is the suspension. I was reading another article on GMAuthority.com that said the suspension on the Z28 is only offered on one other production car... an Aston Martin with a starting MSRP of $1.5 million...
What exactly is so special and unique (and pricey) about the new Z/28 suspension? It does not have mag ride right?
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In perspective, the Laguna Seca is just as "track oriented" and it comes in at less that 50K! Oh wait, and it has a purpose built engine for it just for that car!! I will never own a Ford, I have always had the Chevrolet Passion but dammit I feel like I have been kicked in the balls then given an ice pack then kicked again repeatedly..you get the point.
I hear ya, Mike and wish I had a better explanation...All I can say is long-gone are the days of how they built and priced the first gens...and "options" like back then are a buried relic...I wish it wasn't that way myself...but, unfortunately it is...True, they mention the '67 as the heritage of this car, but the technology needed to make it the top-dog, as it was then, is almost unfathomable compared to then...

...If they weren't going to make it surpass the ZL-1 at the track, that would have probably killed car, and it wouldn't have been built at all...
...Yeah, I'm disappointed as well it's not considered more of a street car, but the Camaro line is already saturated with those...
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Honestly, that's a generalization in a different aspect. In 2013, people do care about HIDs, navigation, full color touchscreens, bluetooth, stereos, AC, etc. GM has a Camaro for everyone now. You aren't getting this for 45K, just read the feature list again. It is my opinion that this is a halo car built and tuned for the track to build the performance brand. Low volume.
Yes most ppl care about amenities I agree, but if set at a lower amount? You honestly think these cars would sit on a lot stripped as they are? Race enthusiasts and collectors didn't ask for this car. Average ppl did. even at 50k not every avg guy can get one, but at least it'd be a little more approachable. Out of the amount produced, ill estimate 1-5% get raced. The rest stored just to look at and collect dust.
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What exactly is so special and unique (and pricey) about the new Z/28 suspension? It does not have mag ride right?
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General Motors more or less had the 2013 New York Auto Show with its unveiling of the 2014 Buick LaCrosse and Regal, all-new Cadillac CTS, and refreshed 2014 Chevrolet Camaro SS. But they absolutely put it away when the growl of a 500-horsepower LS7 engine fired up from back stage, and the reborn Camaro Z/28 rolled onto display, surprising just about everyone (except us).
The new Z/28 Camaro is impressive, by anybodies standards. Its powertrain is track proven, fortified by purposeful aerodynamics, gargantuan Brembo carbon ceramic brakes, and a unique suspension system. Speaking of which, the suspension system of the Z/28 Camaro is not magnetic ride control, like in the mighty ZL1. Nor is it what’s found on the Camaro 1LE, or just about any street car from the factory for that matter.
According to those involved in the Z/28′s development, the unique suspension configuration features what’s called a dynamic suspension spool valve (DSSV) dampening system. The setup allows compression and rebound of the shocks to be adjusted without removing them from the car. For the most part, such a system has been reserved for motor sports vehicles. But considering the hard-core nature of the new Z/28, it might as well be.
In fact, the 2014 Camaro Z/28 is the second-ever production car to feature such a setup. The first? The ultra-rare, ultra-exclusive, ultra-expensive Aston Martin One-77 hypercar, which carries an MSRP of $1,700,000. This aggressive suspension system apparently yields impressive results on the track. For instance, Chevrolet claims that the Z/28 is an average of three seconds faster than the more powerful, magnetic-ride-control-equipped Camaro ZL1 around GM’s Milford Road Course.
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The Camaro never was intended to be out of the price range for the average hard working American...it has ALWAYS been a car you could buy on Saturday and race on Sunday if you wanted to...We enjoy getting our hands dirty and making them "ours" Never intended to be thought of as "Wear your wall street business suit on Friday and go out to your garage in your slippers and stare at it on Saturday and Sunday"
I agree with you and Im not one of those wall street guys, I am a hard working American. Get paid by the hour. I could buy a new Z-28 because of my credit rating. Been a toolmaker for over 30 years working all over in different factories and small shops getting dirty.
Ive been out in my garage changing oil, rotating tires and doing brake jobs in my slippers. My wife laughs at me when I do this.
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Yes most ppl care about amenities I agree, but if set at a lower amount? You honestly think these cars would sit on a lot stripped as they are? Race enthusiasts and collectors didn't ask for this car. Average ppl did. even at 50k not every avg guy can get one, but at least it'd be a little more approachable. Out of the amount produced, ill estimate 1-5% get raced. The rest stored just to look at and collect dust.
the sad part is I agree with this. Yeah this car has the capability to destroy anything on the race track. But its gonna cost so damn much I don't think many will see the track.
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It's just a money racket. In 1969, the difference between a V8 and a Z-28 was around $1000. Here we have a base V8 of around $32000 and a Z-28 that will probably be at LEAST double. It doesn't add up. Race car or not, it's a package. $50k should be tops. The ZL-1 back then was the most expensive car and only 69 were made and I understand not just anyone could get these cars. But they're just blowing the Z out of proportion to what you're getting for your money. GM will probably make $25000+ on each one sold.
You are correct. It's a whole different world now.
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