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Old 03-28-2013, 01:58 PM   #101
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:02 PM   #102
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Next? Don't be so sure. Ford can easily cook up a 550 hp n/a engine with a 351 c.i "boss 351" add to that IRS and a lighter chassis. Let's not be brand nutswingers.
I'm not saying they WILL beat the next generation 302 LS, but you can't blame them for raising the bar as high as possible.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:24 PM   #103
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Ummm the Gt 500 is around 70k now if you are lucky.
Its not that high, I ordered a 14 with the track pack, nav, recaros, and svt performance pack and it came out quite a bit less. Mind you here in Ontario (Canada) no one is selling above MSRP, quiet the opposite. My ZL1 was under MSRP.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:27 PM   #104
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Its not that high, I ordered a 14 with the track pack, nav, recaros, and svt performance pack and it came out quite a bit less. Mind you here in Ontario (Canada) no one is selling above MSRP, quiet the opposite. My ZL1 was under MSRP.
In America it's above MSRP.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:30 PM   #105
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In America it's above MSRP.
depends on the area. I know my local dealer wants above MSRP for any shelby they get, but if you look around you can find dealers that are selling for MSRP
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:30 PM   #106
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Believe it or not, it is actually more expensive and time-consuming to delete items off the assembly line, than to just include them...Different times, different mind-set these days...
This is 100% true, and it's not just a mindset. It's a fact. And not just for cars either.

It is not only cheaper to build every unit in one configuration, it will also yield a higher quality product.

A la carte options will require a company to have the capacity to build their product in countless different configurations. I remember Scott S. saying something to the effect that the 1992 Camaro, the last of the 3rd gen, could be built in any of 14,000 different configurations. Think about that. Think about all the different part designs required..... case in point:

You could have cruise with or without tilt wheel. You could have delay wipers with or without cruise. You could have cruise with or without delay wipers. You could have tilt wheel with cruise and without delay, with delay and without cruise, or with neither. You could have cruise without delay or tilt wheel or with both.

That little tidbit, a microcosm of the hundreds of thousands of parts in a car, required GM to have the capacity to engineer the wiring harness of the steering column in at least 10 different configurations. Think about that.... the wiring for one small part of the car in 10 different configurations. Multiply that out for the rest of the car, and you get the picture here.
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:53 PM   #107
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Its not that high, I ordered a 14 with the track pack, nav, recaros, and svt performance pack and it came out quite a bit less. Mind you here in Ontario (Canada) no one is selling above MSRP, quiet the opposite. My ZL1 was under MSRP.
I didn't know they were taking orders on 2014's, considering they aren't done making 2013's yet....
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Old 03-28-2013, 02:59 PM   #108
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Considering GM hasn't even begain to price it I find that hard to beleive....
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:00 PM   #109
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I didn't know they were taking orders on 2014's, considering they aren't done making 2013's yet....
The 2013 was a ZL1 I bought for under MSRP, the 2014 is the GT500. They have been taking orders for a few months now
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:02 PM   #110
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If you read my post regarding the 2014, I mention SVT, that is ford. I should have quoted the parent thread and it would have been more obvious the 14 was referring to the GT500 while the 13 was referring to the ZL1
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:17 PM   #111
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Yes, but the Z28 will run rings around it on the track. Chevy wanted to make sure of that and ALSO that it would beat whatever Ford comes up with next

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Next? Don't be so sure. Ford can easily cook up a 550 hp n/a engine with a 351 c.i "boss 351" add to that IRS and a lighter chassis. Let's not be brand nutswingers.
Very true, nobody really knows whats coming next except for a select few in the circle and thats not us
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:54 PM   #112
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I really hope it is not in the $70,000 range,,,,, i will be so disappointed......
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:05 PM   #113
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I really hope it is not in the $70,000 range,,,,, i will be so disappointed......
I hate to break your heart, but be prepared.
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:10 PM   #114
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I love my Camaro, and I'm not going to be upset if the Z28 costs in the $70k's. Would I sell my SS to buy a Z? Probably not. Will someone else. Probably. Will I be thrilled as sh!t to see GM produce a Camaro that will stomp the b@lls off of 'exotics' that cost over 3 times as much. Damn straight.

Build it. Price it whatever it needs to be. We'll still buy other models and love them, and I'll still hang a poster of a Z28 passing a Porsche in my garage.

This version of the Z is exactly what I was hoping for. A lightweight, NA monster. Good job GM! Thanks for bring back the Z!
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Old 03-28-2013, 04:47 PM   #115
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For those complaining about the price, move on. I for one am glad they built a "real" z28 instead of another sticker badge mobile. The people who can apeciate what Z28 stands for will understand.
In 1967 a Z-28 was not a well mannered car by any means, and it was built with a purpose. Racing.
Fast forwar to 2014. Car is built for? exactly. racing. And so it should be.
Its still licencable unlike a copo, and people who appreciate them for what they are will still buy them for street use just as was done in 1967.
The car has come full circle and I applaude GM for the direction it took.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:24 PM   #116
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You know not many will be made.
You know all the special parts will add $$$.
You also should guess that GM does not slap sh!t together they buy off the internet and ship it.
They are not going to sell at a loss.
Think its cheap to spend a couple years developing and validating this specific model? Trips to different tracks... salaries... test parts... overhead costs...tooling costs

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Old 03-28-2013, 06:39 PM   #117
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1969 Z built for racing, yes because of the boss 302. Would you rather have a 396-375HP SS or a 290HP Z28. I'll take the SS every time. Lite to lite, where we drive, the SS was the car to have. I'd take a new Boss for 44,000.00 in a heart beat over a 75,000.00 Z28. Chevy blew it for the regular guy period. Very easy for them to cam an Ls3 with better intake and exhaust and get their 505 HP. Better suspension, 505HP for 47000.00 and we beat the Boss and we're happy. They made rich people happy and gave themselves bragging rights. Good luck to all us regular Chevy guys.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:43 PM   #118
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Copo= very expensive.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:32 PM   #119
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In sure they meant street legal Camaro.


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Old 03-28-2013, 08:11 PM   #120
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No way its going to be close to $70K. When you guys are adding numbers, you are removing cost for the item you are replacing right? I mean, the additional cost of a LS7 OVER a LS3 is approx $7500. Remember, all this wiz-bang stuff (except the new dampers) is older vette and caddy items. I come up with around + $17K for mechanicals. Add $3K for new trim bits, glass..etc. That's $20K + $34K for a 1SS "stripped" car and the total is $54K. I would be totally surprised if it stickers for over $58K.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:30 PM   #121
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I think $75K may be too close to Corvette territory for Chevy's comfort. Guys with gobs of cash want comfort. I am hoping this is $50K or less. I suspect we'll find out soon...just not soon enough since i want to know right freaking now.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:51 PM   #122
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Simply put, the car should have started its life as an option only car as it was then. If you want carbon ceramic brakes, fine pay for it..if you don't want onstar, radio, a/c, power this and that, awesome! Standard engine could have been the LS7(or my humble opinion it's own engine) fine, no RS package avail, etc. Just starting it at less is more is just plain silly. These are basically COPO cars that are street legal.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:55 PM   #123
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I am afraid it may be closer to 65k. The ls7 is pretty expensive. I am hoping that since the z06 was around 75 but was fully loaded with options and this is no options maybe that will be reflected in the price but we will just have to wait and see.
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Next? Don't be so sure. Ford can easily cook up a 550 hp n/a engine with a 351 c.i "boss 351" add to that IRS and a lighter chassis. Let's not be brand nutswingers.
If Ford built a 5.8 NA at 88 HP/L like the 302, it would be about 515 HP. With what it took to get that power from the 302, I doubt they would be able to get much more out of a NA 5.8.
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:23 AM   #125
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I tend to think that the z28 is going to be between the loaded SS and a base ZL1. look at the vette....z06 is the same type of car in its group as the z28 is. its right there under the zr1 and above the z51. I think the Camaro will come in right around 50. base model under base model zl1 pricing.
You have to look at the components. The LS7, carbon ceramic brakes, exotic suspension pieces, Recaro seats, specialized bushings, dry sump, lightweight glass, wheels & tires are all extra $$$ upgrades over the ZL1. My guess is that the Z/28 is going to be priced at least $10-15K above the ZL1. It will outperform the ZL1 on track & maybe even at the strip due to less weight.
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