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Old 03-30-2013, 03:00 PM   #176
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Do you even drive one of these cars? If you don't, then I guess it's ok you don't know what your talking about. Relax you don't have a dog in this fight.
I may not drive one of these cars, but that doesn't mean I can't voice my opinion about it. Welcome to the internet where everyone has a voice. And when was the last time you built an engine or calculated CI? Do you know the formula? Do you know everything involved? The CI i posted is the CI for the LS3, so 2ci off for the new LT1 isn't a big whoop. Something changed in the stroke or the bore size is all, but I'm sure you knew that
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:20 PM   #177
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When you see carbon ceramic breaks you know it is going to be expensive. The other thing you need to think about is yes it is a stripper but the weight was engineered out of the car - not necessarily JUST stripped (yes carpet, speakers, ac) but the recaros, breaks, thinner glass, stripped wiring harness, forged wheels, r compound tires (or damn close) that is where the money is at. One could even bring up the ls7 is more expensive than the LSA - which is true but that is offset by not having mag ride like the zl1 - which would essentially put it at an equal price point until you add all the aforementioned goodies. Overall, I'm calling less than 70k. Some of the styling throws me off and I would venture the 6th gen will be an even better platform for a car of this nature. So while I wait and enjoy the Camaro I have - I have utmost respect and anyone that is looking at a z28 is getting a hell of a car. Hopefully this theme will cross into the 6th gen!
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:35 PM   #178
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Why not say your comment to Jim968 who thought the new LT1 is going to be a 5.5L.
You're very confused. I never said anything of the kind.
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Old 03-30-2013, 03:58 PM   #179
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Seriously? Your going there? How many people in the 60's 70's, 80's and so forth actually took there Z's to the f&$kin track? Cmon buddy.
Are you saying that because few people actually run their car on the track that GM shouldn't build the Z/28 as a track car?

How many people drag their car? Should GM not put high horsepower engines in the Camaro because not everyone takes ther car to the drag strip?
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Old 03-30-2013, 06:08 PM   #180
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The Z28 is for the rich only. Average folks need not apply. I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around this.
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Old 03-30-2013, 06:14 PM   #181
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Wow. That is a bit shocking. I figured that it would be in the 50k range. Somewhere above the SS and below the ZL-1.
But the motor is expensive.
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:31 AM   #182
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You're very confused. I never said anything of the kind.
you are correct sir i misread it! my apologies
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:43 PM   #183
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yea i was thinking of putting my 2010 ss up for sale and getting the z-28 but its going to be out of my price range. the z-28 name is now bigger than ever with this price range and not making so many. i guess its just an investment for the rich, for this car will be gold in 30 years.
I don't know if this car will be gold in 30 years. Most cars are actually poor investments with a few exceptions. Actually I doubt any new car will be gold in 30 years (Boss, GT500, ZL1, Z/28) Worth something, yes, but not worth investing in.

The reason the late sixties are so valuable is they are very simple machines and can be restored rather cheaply. Can you imagine restoring a new ZL1? Air bags alone are expensive...Also there was inflation in the 70's which drove everything up. We are not in a period of inflation right now.

When Chevy stopped making the Camaro everyone said to buy one because they would be worth a ton as the last Camaros. To my knowledge they are not worth a mint these days.

With these new cars we should take care of them, but drive and enjoy them. Thats why they were built!!!!!
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Old 03-31-2013, 01:53 PM   #184
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How much will the Z/28 cost? I think the better question might be "Is the Z/28 fairly priced?". Let's assume the worst and say it sells for $60K. Can anyone tell me another car at that price point with carbon-ceramic brakes, along with similar levels of engine and suspension performance? I can't wait to see the actual track times this car posts; on most tracks it is not just going to be faster -- it is going to slaughter the competition...

Kudos to the design team for building something worthy of the original Z/28 -- and for NOT compromising on this one!
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:02 PM   #185
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How much will the Z/28 cost? I think the better question might be "Is the Z/28 fairly priced?". Let's assume the worst and say it sells for $60K. Can anyone tell me another car at that price point with carbon-ceramic brakes, along with similar levels of engine and suspension performance? I can't wait to see the actual track times this car posts; on most tracks it is not just going to be faster -- it is going to slaughter the competition...

Kudos to the design team for building something worthy of the original Z/28 -- and for NOT compromising on this one!
C7 Z51? It may not have Carbon brakes, but the stingray is definitely on par with the Z28 performance wise. My guess is the Z/28 will be between 60-70k. Thats C7 territory, and to be honest with you guys, Id take a base stingray over any Camaro.

The Z/28 is fairly priced, look at the tech its sporting. But anything over $60,000 for a modern American pony car is a bit much in my book.
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:11 PM   #186
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It shares the same heart as the Z06, so we had to have known it wasn't going to be cheap.
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Old 03-31-2013, 02:12 PM   #187
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C7 Z51? It may not have Carbon brakes, but the stingray is definitely on par with the Z28 performance wise. My guess is the Z/28 will be between 60-70k. Thats C7 territory, and to be honest with you guys, Id take a base stingray over any Camaro.

The Z/28 is fairly priced, look at the tech its sporting. But anything over $60,000 for a modern American pony car is a bit much in my book.
Good points all. I guess we'll all find out, but I still think the Z/28 will be just a tad more expensive than the ZL1 -- and stay well under the $60K threshold. At that price point, I can't think of much that will match its (still unpublished) lap times. Lastly, I'm tall enough that there's zero chance of me driving a C6 or C7...
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:52 PM   #188
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Sucks, to be honest.

While I wasn't getting one, I know of three people in our close knit group that had plans on buying.....Glen, Chris, and Mike.

Mike will probably be getting the ZL1 now instead at the end of the year.
Chris is going to stick with his 2010...wont' be able to trade it in.
Glen, since hearing the price point, said screw it and went out and picked up a 1LE yesterday.

All three wanted Z/28's. Heck, I want one too. But all three had every intention on picking one up.

Tough on GM's part. They built THE car....but won't be selling very many of them.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:37 PM   #189
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The carbon ceramics seem unecessary to me. Why not make them optional? The car is already 300lbs lighter than the ZL1, why not put those brakes on and it wll exceed the braking performance on the ZL1 and the GT500.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:28 PM   #190
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LS7 is a hand assembled engine with very expensive parts. Chevrolet has done their homework on this car. It is not meant for the run of the mill buyer. If you do not like it don't buy it. If you really like it then get a second job if you have to. It will not be a money loser because at best it would be a two year car. What's the most loved Camaro? A 69.... Just like its predecessors but different just like the 2014 Z-28. I'd bet it's $60k. It is a very nice and capable car and will be well worth the money.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:29 PM   #191
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The carbon ceramics seem unecessary to me. Why not make them optional? The car is already 300lbs lighter than the ZL1, why not put those brakes on and it wll exceed the braking performance on the ZL1 and the GT500.
Being the track monster the 2014 Z/28 is. The carbon ceramics fits it just fine. I sure hope i can get one. Becky Rodgers chevy is going to get a pm shortly once GM releases some numbers.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:41 PM   #192
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I'ld like to see the LS7 as an option for the 1 or 2 SS/RS. I think a brake upgrade may be necessary but suspension wise, the platform should be able to handle it. That would make a well optioned / powerful street car that is affordable even with an 8k add for the engine package. 6spd manual or automatic like the ZL1.
Yes and throw in magnetic ride option and be below the zl1 in price...would sell to a bigger crowd...keep the Z for track but most do not track...so a 55-60m Camaro to get a 427 will be a hard pill...
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Z/28 Most Expensive Camaro... Ever!!! WTF???

GM says the new Z/28 will be the most expensive Camaro... EVER.

That being said, COPO was pretty steeply priced and rightfully so. Does this mean the Z/28 will be more?

If so, count me out. I bet you could get an SS and make a better car by modding it and spend a lot less.
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thats true with any car.
and I do not think they are counting the COPO in that statement.
it will be the most expensive Camaro in the consumer line up above the ZL1

Of course you can build anything that will stomp a mudhole in it cheaper.

find a 2010 SS cheap strip it.. drop in a new built engine cam and FI or NOS and do suspension and brakes and boom easy Z/28 killer for cheap.
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Old 04-01-2013, 09:19 AM   #195
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At first, I was thinking the Z-28 may be in the $50k price range, but then GM said it would be above the ZL1 in the "Camaro Tier". Some are speculating a $70-75k price tag on this thing. I just think that's too much for a Camaro. Don't get me wrong, this thing looks BAD , but it's a stripped down track car. No AC, one speaker and other amentities are minimal at best. I mean, the original Z-28's in the 60's were basically the same thing, but when you could buy a new car off the showroom floor for $3,000, GM didn't price the Z-28 at $12,000. I hope GM doesn't price this beast out of the stratosphere. For that price, I'd buy a ZL1 and save some cash.
With a ZL1, you'll have a better ride too.
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thats true with any car.
and I do not think they are counting the COPO in that statement.
it will be the most expensive Camaro in the consumer line up above the ZL1

Of course you can build anything that will stomp a mudhole in it cheaper.

find a 2010 SS cheap strip it.. drop in a new built engine cam and FI or NOS and do suspension and brakes and boom easy Z/28 killer for cheap.
I still wouldn't call that cheap. I plan to buy a 2010 or 2011 Camaro SS later this year and then build, but it'll still cost $25k just to start. Add a Maggie for $6k, a full exhaust with headers for at least $2k, short shifter, those brakes, a full suspension upgrade, and all the weight reduction. That is far from a cheap build, and I haven't even addressed aerodynamics, wheels, and tires.
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Aerodynamics? More power to answer that(insert manly grunts here).

Look at the F-4 Phantom, it's living proof if you put big enough engines on a brick... it WILL fly.
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Aerodynamics? More power to answer that(insert manly grunts here).

Look at the F-4 Phantom, it's living proof if you put big enough engines on a brick... it WILL fly.
I'll take power over aerodynamics, but at least make sure that the suspension is there to support it. Without that, all your power drives you right into a wall at the track.
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I still wouldn't call that cheap. I plan to buy a 2010 or 2011 Camaro SS later this year and then build, but it'll still cost $25k just to start. Add a Maggie for $6k, a full exhaust with headers for at least $2k, short shifter, those brakes, a full suspension upgrade, and all the weight reduction. That is far from a cheap build, and I haven't even addressed aerodynamics, wheels, and tires.
aim lower... a beat to hell one and rebuild it with GOOD stuff instead of stocker stuff.

basically find a rolling chassis SS even if it has a million miles on it..
rip out interior.
put in cage and some Recaros remove rear seats and anything else not tied down
rebuild engine from bottom to top with end goal in mind ( boost or NA)
complete race coil over suspension and a brakes upgrade.
betting you can be at this level for under 40k total
if you find the right donor car.

No bling.. no options.. just a bad mother street/track machine.
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Mod the z/28 for me . Ive done all of that other stuff before. I wanna see what the z/28 can do with my mods.
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