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Old 03-29-2013, 04:55 AM   #35
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I'm right there with you regarding building a faster car for less. It's very much so do-able. Just like all the ZL1 guys can add a cam, CAI, LT headers, and pulleys to make-up the 300lb weight difference. OR just order the brake kit whenever it becomes available, and order the lighter rear-window. The glory if today's era is that while we're stuck with one engine block, there's no stopping you from doing whatever you want and ending up with a car that fits your needs and your wants.

I just can't wait to hear that whine of the supercharger on my ZL1. Plus, even if a Z28 is faster, i'll let him beat me once. After that we'll just go hunt mustangs together
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:57 AM   #36
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I'm right there with you regarding building a faster car for less. It's very much so do-able. Just like all the ZL1 guys can add a cam, CAI, LT headers, and pulleys to make-up the 300lb weight difference. OR just order the brake kit whenever it becomes available, and order the lighter rear-window. The glory if today's era is that while we're stuck with one engine block, there's no stopping you from doing whatever you want and ending up with a car that fits your needs and your wants.

I just can't wait to hear that whine of the supercharger on my ZL1. Plus, even if a Z28 is faster, i'll let him beat me once. After that we'll just go hunt mustangs together
well you sound like the type of guy i'd share some beer with! i bought my shell for $2500 so i think i made a good investment since all it needs is the engine, trans and rear everything else is there if i get out there to a power tour or a C5fest in the midwest i'll buy you the first pitcher! after driving of course!
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:45 AM   #37
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I wish i could make it to C5fest :( I'll be in Afghanistan though. Rain check, beer sounds really good right about now!
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Old 03-29-2013, 12:53 PM   #38
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well the car wont be ready for at least a year then i need to save money for gas and hotel etc so it'll be a few years! thank you for serving our country!!!
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Old 03-29-2013, 01:01 PM   #39
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Speaking of Ford...and their Spring '14 release...does anyone figure they're burnin' the midnite oil figgerin' out what to do to match the "Heavy Chevy"?
I doubt it. Remember Ford started the original pony car and still kept it going. Camaro's were non existant in this century. Now that GM has caught up, Ford will bring about a new series of engines some of which are turbo charged D.I..all the goodies. I thank GM and Ford for both bringing us some badass cars. These will not last too long, when CAFE rules start hitting us hard in 2016.

The 2015 mustang gt will probably have as much hp as a base c7. That new 5.0 engine is a thing of beauty. I'm not even swinging on Ford's nuts lol but like aonther guy posted it..we all are living in a muscle car nirvana.

Let's see how the 2016 Camaro responds....it's always a game of catchup.


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Old 03-29-2013, 01:13 PM   #40
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+1 again...., this is becoming habit.

Do you now think most of the ls7 engines will make it into production cars? (before you thought about 2000 2014 Z/28s)? A few weeks ago the last one went into the last z06. About 30 a day are hand built. That gives GM the capacity to have about 5 to 6 thousand for the 2014 MY.
Looks like it could be even less than that. If Wixom only churns out LS7's, based on the latest figures, it might get to around 3400 a yr.

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Old 03-29-2013, 01:18 PM   #41
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i see it as a slap in the face of the original z28. a 427 wasn't an option for a z28. what option code got that engine . . . . oh yeah that pesky zL1. i think the zL1 should've gotten the LS7 seeing as how the ZL1 was the only car that came with a 427 and kept everything else how it is and the z28 should've gotten the LSA engine since a 302 is out of the question for the modern day enthusiasts mentality of no replacement for discplacement.
Also showing these numbers from factory the z28 was not the fastest car in the lineup, pretty much only faster than the ss350 in 67 and most likely faster than the 69 ss350 but i couldn't find a factory time slip for it :(
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(Z-28) 302/290bhp: 0-60 in 6.9 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.85 sec @ 101mph
(SS350) 350/295: 1/4 mile in 15.4 seconds @ 90 mph
(SS396) 396/325bhp: 0-60 in 6.0 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.5 sec @ 99mph
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(Z-28) 302/290bhp: 0-60 in 7.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 15.12 sec @ 94.8mph
(SS396) 396/375bhp: 0-60 in 6.8 sec, 1/4 mile in 14.7 sec @ 98.7mph
(COPO 9561) 427/425bhp: 0-60 in 5.4 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec @ 102mph
(COPO 9560) 427/430bhp: 0-60 in 5.3 sec, 1/4 mile in 13.16 sec @ 110 mph

The Z/28 was not about straight line speed, it was about cornering. The 302 engine was not a choice by GM, it was required by the Trans Am racing series. The LS7 in the Z/28 is acceptable because the LS7 is built for racing and there is no displacement cap so why not go big?
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Old 03-29-2013, 01:56 PM   #42
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Piss off. I can afford it rather easily. Question is will I pay 60+k for an auto? Answer no. Auto is not an investment. When I'm older ill be able to buy 3 or 4 of these things even at collectors pricing. I have my priorities straight. And that's to make money now spend it later.
Then why are you even complaining? Just shut up and move on.
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Why couldn't GM just give us all what we REALLY WANTED?
The 1LE is already an extremely capable track car, couldn't the LS7 be dropped in there and made available to us for around 50?

No need going to great lenghts to make the Z-28 a "track" car. No one was thinking ceramic brakes until yesterday because no one was asking for them.
I'm with you!

Personally, I was hoping for a 1SS based 1LE with an LS7 and weight savings.....2 out of 3 isn't bad I guess

But as far as the carbon ceramic brakes???? I really don't see the point in making them standard on the Z28....make them an option like on the Z06.
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The Z/28 was not about straight line speed, it was about cornering. The 302 engine was not a choice by GM, it was required by the Trans Am racing series. The LS7 in the Z/28 is acceptable because the LS7 is built for racing and there is no displacement cap so why not go big?
i'm simply making the point of people saying honor the heritage of the name. IMO if you are going to do that don't give it an engine another Camaro only received

It'd be amazing to see them offer the LS7 in a 1LE. Hell if I had the money, I'd order a new 1LE from one of the dealerships back east and have them install an LS7 to satisfy my happiness
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It would be really nice if it was an option for the 1LE.
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Agreed, the Z28 was supposed to be between the 1LE and ZL1,

Now it's a trailer queen.
- GM, we needed another hot-rod, not an IMSA GTP Circuit entry model.

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Why couldn't GM just give us all what we REALLY WANTED?
The 1LE is already an extremely capable track car, couldn't the LS7 be dropped in there and made available to us for around 50?

No need going to great lenghts to make the Z-28 a "track" car. No one was thinking ceramic brakes until yesterday because no one was asking for them.
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Really? I seriously doubt everyone that wanted a stripped a down LS7 camaro will be getting one. I for one wanted it. I won't be getting it. Not at the price they're probably asking. Ill look for used in a few yrs if they don't limit the number like assholes so only cork sniffers buy them.
GTR's are everywhere, and follow a similar formula to the Z/28. Z/28's will do fine, there are enough guys making a ton of money that will love towing these on an aluminum open trailer behind their matching paint Denali to HPDE's.

I'd buy one if I could convince myself it was justifiable.
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i'm simply making the point of people saying honor the heritage of the name. IMO if you are going to do that don't give it an engine another Camaro only received

It'd be amazing to see them offer the LS7 in a 1LE. Hell if I had the money, I'd order a new 1LE from one of the dealerships back east and have them install an LS7 to satisfy my happiness
The 302 was simply to comply with rules. I'm sure if they could have used the ZL1 427, they would have.

Cars can evolve without changing the core spirit of the car unless you believe the Camaro should be running a stick axle on leaf springs with a carbed, cast iron V8 with drum brakes.
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Old 03-29-2013, 07:19 PM   #49
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I only pointed out times because I've seen on this site and other sites people saying "oh the top dog is coming back out" and I've been meaning to post up no the z28 wasn't the top dog, the SS396 was faster. And the engine option was for the people saying GM is paying heritage to the past. I never agreed with the fact the current ZL1 didn't come with a 427 like in 69 and I think I spoke with one of the big dealerships back east that customize 5th gens about this right when it was released. Just my .02 though

My route is build a car to play with the big boys for 1/2 of what they are spending
But if I were to buy a 5th gen it would either be a 13 1LE or 13ZL1 since i don't like the 14's at all :(
Apples n oranges.

A high revving SB belongs in the Z/28 and that's what both the 1Gen and 5Gen have. The Z/28 is/was a roadracer. Yet performed great in the 1/4 mile as well. Those stats you put up don't tell the whole story as in rear gearing. You need to explore a little deeper.
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Agreed, the Z28 was supposed to be between the 1LE and ZL1,

Now it's a trailer queen.
My sentiments as well. Make the Carbon Ceramic brakes an option like on the C6 Z06 to keep the price down and I'm sure Chevy would sell quite a few of them, even if we had to tick the box for A/C and put another 1 (or 3) speakers in it ourselves. I'd be all over it.

But if it comes in more expensive than the ZL1 and has brakes that are more expensive to replace than tires, the vast majority of people who will buy them are collectors who can afford to buy a car to simply add to their collection and rarely (if ever) drive it, or those truly "hard-core" track enthusiasts who probably trailer their cars to track events anyway.

.....and that's a damn shame
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