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Old 11-01-2013, 09:57 PM   #326
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Are you going to run a tubular rear cradle? Those wheels and tires look awesome.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:01 PM   #327
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This car is starting to look like a 350 000$ european car in terms of materials and craftsmanship. The brakes, wheels, suspension, interior…. INSANE! It is the most badass Camaro out there. I doubt anybody can top this car. EVER.
You better start your own business, because this type of craftsmanship and tasteful work will have you booked forever.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:07 PM   #328
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Hey guys here are a few pics on the new Forge-line and Toyos. 305 look sick in the front.

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That second pic is absolutely amazing - really shows off how big (and awesome) the rotors are.
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Old 11-02-2013, 02:38 AM   #329
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This is the only build I've ever seen where "awesome" is normal for everything on it. That steering wheel is hands-down the best looking I've seen for a Camaro so far. The tire/wheel/brake combo looks just drooltastic.

NATHAN AND JUSTIN, you two INSURE THIS THING TO THE LAST NUT AND BOLT. Do it now if you haven't already because this thing is going to absolutely bury the automotive-lust "I want it so bad I can taste it" meter which means it might very well become a target for thieves. I don't know if you two fully realize what you're putting together here. This goes way beyond a race car build. It goes way beyond a hot rod build. It goes way beyond anything I've ever seen build, and I've been an automotive fan for over half a century.

Insure it; photograph and document this whole project... PLEASE. Write down or record everything you can remember about how this started, what happened when and how, who did what, etc. This is going to become a legend in automotive magazines, books and Camaro history.
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Old 11-02-2013, 08:11 AM   #330
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Sorry to hear u missed sema. Car looks awesome, especially the brakes. Not sure why you went with older style shifter, not really good for tracking from ergo point. I do like the wheel.

I love the suspension but have to say the wheels turned me completely off. You have huge tires and you will pull some g's, why then flat flange hub, it will flex more, no, it doesnt look like there is much triangulation? could hurt camber due to flex or cause some cracking after decent track time.

God, I cant stop looking at the brakes, u weigh them yet? Whats for brake cooling and are u protecting knuckle bushings with shields?
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:42 AM   #331
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Theres a center cap for the wheels correct?
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Old 11-02-2013, 10:57 AM   #332
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Are you going to run a tubular rear cradle? Those wheels and tires look awesome.
We are holding out for Extreme Innovations tubular rear cradle. A tubular should shed a good 40 lbs.

For the time being we have detailed out the stock rear sub, and will be using that. some pics on pg 3

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This car is starting to look like a 350 000$ european car in terms of materials and craftsmanship. The brakes, wheels, suspension, interior…. INSANE! It is the most badass Camaro out there. I doubt anybody can top this car. EVER.
You better start your own business, because this type of craftsmanship and tasteful work will have you booked forever.
Man that is a hell of a compliment, thanks! We are both college students with engineering majors. This is our passion and something we are not looking to give up.

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That second pic is absolutely amazing - really shows off how big (and awesome) the rotors are.
Probably my favorite feature of this wheel is how "airy" they are. You can see every bit of the brake rotors and calipers. Really adds to that mechanical look we are going for.

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This is the only build I've ever seen where "awesome" is normal for everything on it. That steering wheel is hands-down the best looking I've seen for a Camaro so far. The tire/wheel/brake combo looks just drooltastic.

NATHAN AND JUSTIN, you two INSURE THIS THING TO THE LAST NUT AND BOLT. Do it now if you haven't already because this thing is going to absolutely bury the automotive-lust "I want it so bad I can taste it" meter which means it might very well become a target for thieves. I don't know if you two fully realize what you're putting together here. This goes way beyond a race car build. It goes way beyond a hot rod build. It goes way beyond anything I've ever seen build, and I've been an automotive fan for over half a century.

Insure it; photograph and document this whole project... PLEASE. Write down or record everything you can remember about how this started, what happened when and how, who did what, etc. This is going to become a legend in automotive magazines, books and Camaro history.
Doc, that is another hell of a compliment! We are doing our best with photos. That is a good call on the insurance.

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Sorry to hear u missed sema. Car looks awesome, especially the brakes. Not sure why you went with older style shifter, not really good for tracking from ergo point. I do like the wheel.

I love the suspension but have to say the wheels turned me completely off. You have huge tires and you will pull some g's, why then flat flange hub, it will flex more, no, it doesnt look like there is much triangulation? could hurt camber due to flex or cause some cracking after decent track time.
That is a legitimate concern on the wheels, but let me assure you, these are built for racing. They are forgeline's most purpose built and lightest wheel. It has been used on several extreme track cars.











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God, I cant stop looking at the brakes, u weigh them yet? Whats for brake cooling and are u protecting knuckle bushings with shields?
I weighed the brakes before I installed them. Should have taken a picture... I was surprised that they were just under 10 lbs with pads! Racing brake advertises there WIP 6 piston at 11.9 lbs and the cts-V 6 piston is 12.8 lbs for comparison.

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Theres a center cap for the wheels correct?
Nope. Stay tuned for the finished look. Some may not like the centercap-less look, but that was one of the contributing factors to our choice for this wheel. As stiff, as airy, as light, as mechanical as possible.
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Old 11-02-2013, 12:55 PM   #333
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We are holding out for Extreme Innovations tubular rear cradle. A tubular should shed a good 40 lbs.
You might want to talk to BMR. They are working on front and rear cradles as well.
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:52 AM   #334
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You might want to talk to BMR. They are working on front and rear cradles as well.

Chase unfortunately I think the rear cradle is a pipe dream I spoke with the owner of BMR at PRI last December and they were entertaining the idea. He suggested I'd speak with Kyle in March to get a better idea of a time line. I did, they still hadn't done anything. Kyle suggested we speak in July, I did..... nothing. I spoke with him this October and he had to put me on hold to check with the engineers, came back and said they haven't started anything.

The only other option which would be more viable is Extreme Fabrications that did the front cradle. He's been wanting to do it but needs 4 orders because of the time required to engineer it. It wouldn't be feasible just to do one. We even did a conferance call with Aaron from Pfadt Racing and discussed the idea of doing different pick up points which would align the shaft better when you lower your car.

The only thing is that we can't find three other solid orders to get Craig at Extreme to invest time. They would 't be cheap at $3,500 a piece. I would have to imagine there are 3 other high end builds who would like to pony up and get it done. Maybe you guys can PM some of the guys you know on here and see if they want to do this group buy.

The only other option would be for us to buy all four of them and then sell them our self for what we can get.

We really want one. Justin spent a lot of time getting rid of all the flashing on the stock cradle and thinking what a waste of time, if we could just get a tubular piece and be done, LOL.

So... is there anybody else that want to go in with us. We just need three more
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Old 11-03-2013, 03:45 PM   #335
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What made you pick the Hammerhead diff over the the ZL1, LPE or Hendrix 9?
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Old 11-03-2013, 04:49 PM   #336
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Because they made it look beautiful. I am serious about this actually. That is the entire point of this car.
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Old 11-03-2013, 05:56 PM   #337
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Because they made it look beautiful. I am serious about this actually. That is the entire point of this car.
and to clean up the clutter in the engine bay
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Old 11-03-2013, 06:35 PM   #338
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What made you pick the Hammerhead diff over the the ZL1, LPE or Hendrix 9?
In no particular order.. Weight, strength, efficiency, aesthetics, cooler provisions, customer service, etc... very happy with the unit thus far. Frank and Skip have both gone above and beyond for us as well.
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Old 11-03-2013, 08:25 PM   #339
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:00 PM   #340
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Actually to clean up the heater hoses
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Old 11-03-2013, 09:28 PM   #341
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That's how it all started yep. Relocating those damn heater hoses.
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That's how it started for me, I saw a 2012 with the new factory heater hoses. Although I didn't go quite as far as Nathan but was happy to contribute early on to his thread.
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Old 11-04-2013, 07:45 AM   #343
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I have been trying to get a tubular rear cradle for the last year. Last time I spoke with extreme they wanted 10 orders. 4 is reasonable. If you end up buying all for then selling, I will pay up
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Old 11-04-2013, 08:03 AM   #344
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still glued to these threads, keep up the good work.
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Actually to clean up the heater hoses
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That's how it all started yep. Relocating those damn heater hoses.
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That's how it started for me, I saw a 2012 with the new factory heater hoses. Although I didn't go quite as far as Nathan but was happy to contribute early on to his thread.
Kind of hard to believe this whole mess started with those dang heater hoses. Damn you, GM! LOL

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I have been trying to get a tubular rear cradle for the last year. Last time I spoke with extreme they wanted 10 orders. 4 is reasonable. If you end up buying all for then selling, I will pay up
Maybe we should make a group buy thread so that we can get four orders coordinated and submitted at the same time. With us two, that just leaves two more to go. I would hope there are two others that would want to drop approx. 40 lbs and all the other benefits that come with a tubular rear cradle.

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What would be the benefits besides weight savings for the tubular rear cradle? Would they build it to mount solid to the car eliminating bushings all together?
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Everyone at Pfadt Racing is sorry you didn't make it to SEMA; we know how hard you have worked for that deadline. That being said, we check this thread religiously and are already wondering how we will cope when you are finished.
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Everyone at Pfadt Racing is sorry you didn't make it to SEMA; we know how hard you have worked for that deadline. That being said, we check this thread religiously and are already wondering how we will cope when you are finished.
Maybe he will do a C7.
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Who says he will finish
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Kind of hard to believe this whole mess started with those dang heater hoses. Damn you, GM! LOL



Maybe we should make a group buy thread so that we can get four orders coordinated and submitted at the same time. With us two, that just leaves two more to go. I would hope there are two others that would want to drop approx. 40 lbs and all the other benefits that come with a tubular rear cradle.
I would be glad to help with some ideas that would help the car in the rear,we have helped the ARH/Farks car in some crucial areas. Weight savings is not the reason to do a rear cradle as the weight is good there.Your car is 1 of a kind for sure if you need anything at all from us give us a call anytime
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Old 11-05-2013, 01:16 AM   #350
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Nice work. Where is your shop?
You said the garage in your house correct ?
Do you run a business out of your house ? or is it just a place you work after hrs while working some place else,as thats a 100k build at a shop I am sure easy,...
reason I ask both as you have other people helping you,so either they are paid employees,or co-workers helping after hrs,like my friends and i used to do before i was crippled..
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