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Old 04-04-2013, 11:08 PM   #35
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I pulled the post off right away but you were quicker than me.
So, that's why, when I went to reply to your post, it was gone.
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Old 04-05-2013, 06:30 AM   #36
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Memories do tend to get less reliable with time.

I remember several years ago I was driving on 880 and I was approaching an older Impala in the lane next to me. I looked at the tail lights and suddenly I couldn't tell if it was a 1969 or a 1970 Impala. After about 15 seconds I realized that it was a 1969 because I finally remembered that the 1970 tail lights were vertical. I remember thinking at that moment that in 1970 I would have been able to make that determination in no more than a few milliseconds. Even things that one thinks are clearly ingrained can become fuzzy with the passing a three or four decades.

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Sucks getting old. Guess I better go over today and take a look at it and refresh my memory.
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:19 AM   #37
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There is a big difference between a Z with and without the slash.

The bottom line is you need to know the difference if you're talking to Camaro enthusiasts and purists, because they will most likely bite your head off if you refer to a 4th gen Z28 with a slash, or forget to type the slash when referring to a 1968-70, which the 2014 is descended from.

The 2014 is NOT descended from the 2nd - 4th gens that were Z28s. The IROC, the Z28 SS, the SLP engineering package..... all cars that were fast and handled well, but were not what the Z/28 was about. I think in a way GM understood that, hence the fact they kept the slash off for this long. When the 5th gen came back into production for 2010, the SS was used and any reference to any Z was kept on the back burner because GM knew how revered and hallowed the Z name is in Camaro history despite many calls to use the Z28 (for those uninformed newbies) and the Z/28 (for the hard core enthusiasts). They could have continued from the 4th gen and made the V8 model a Z if they wanted to, but that continues the dilution of the original Z, and also Chevy is intent on using "SS" in a more uniform manner, to designate all of their performance cars. So the decision was made to not use anything with a Z on it until a Camaro worthy of the original intent of the Z was designed. The hard core enthusiasts voices were heard...... if you haven't noticed, this 2014 Camaro Z/28 is NOT an "SS Z/28"..... it is a "Camaro Z/28", and that is how it will show on your insurance card.

The '68-70 and 2014 is a Z/28. Anything else is a Z28 and not the same. Just a name.
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Old 04-05-2013, 02:17 PM   #38
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The '68-70 and 2014 is a Z/28. Anything else is a Z28 and not the same. Just a name.
Actually, the slash was not used on 1970 Z28s. The slash was used on 1968 and 1969 Z/28s, and now on 2014 Z/28s.
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Old 04-05-2013, 04:50 PM   #39
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Z/28 = The Car made the name.

Z28 = The Name made the car.
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:00 PM   #40
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yeah. i mean if you put a 70 1/2 on a road course with a 69, the 69 would just destroy it huh




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Old 04-05-2013, 05:04 PM   #41
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yeah. i mean if you put a 70 1/2 on a road course with a 69, the 69 would just destroy it huh




If you want to be nit-picky the 70-1/2 was a great car yes, but at that time Chevy had already bailed on the racing program.
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how is that nit-picky?


we're talking about the street versions.
the first generation Z/28 was designed to get parts homologated for racing. namely the 302 engine. it was hardly a stripped down barely- legal -for the street car. the Rally Sport package was available, and even vinyl roofs!
the only difference between a Z/28, a Z28 or a Z-28 was the style of the badge.
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:41 PM   #43
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the only difference between a Z/28, a Z28 or a Z-28 was the style of the badge.
I doubt that many would agree that the only difference between a 77 1/2 Z28 and a 1969 Z/28 is the style of the badge.
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that's not the point. horsepower has gone up and down, yes, but to say the 1st gens were somehow 'race cars' or something is not correct.
i'd love to find some engineers from the time and ask them 'so you took the slash out of Z/28 in 1970, that was because the car was not all hardcore race car anymore?'
probably look at us like we were crazy.
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Old 04-05-2013, 06:30 PM   #45
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I have studied this very carefully and I think the major difference between Z28 and Z/28 is the "/".


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how is that nit-picky?


we're talking about the street versions.
the first generation Z/28 was designed to get parts homologated for racing. namely the 302 engine. it was hardly a stripped down barely- legal -for the street car. the Rally Sport package was available, and even vinyl roofs!
the only difference between a Z/28, a Z28 or a Z-28 was the style of the badge.

Really??? Thanks for the education as I just fell off the turnip truck...


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that's not the point. horsepower has gone up and down, yes, but to say the 1st gens were somehow 'race cars' or something is not correct.
i'd love to find some engineers from the time and ask them 'so you took the slash out of Z/28 in 1970, that was because the car was not all hardcore race car anymore?'
probably look at us like we were crazy.
My point is/was they GM stopped racing after the first gen. The further development of the car was not due to racing it was to sell cars only.
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Old 04-05-2013, 06:40 PM   #47
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that's not the point. horsepower has gone up and down, yes, but to say the 1st gens were somehow 'race cars' or something is not correct.
i'd love to find some engineers from the time and ask them 'so you took the slash out of Z/28 in 1970, that was because the car was not all hardcore race car anymore?'
probably look at us like we were crazy.
The first generation Z/28s were built to qualify for and compete in the SCCA Trans-Am racing series and they were very good at it, having won their class in both 1968 and 1969. The 302 engine in the first generation Z/28s was not a great street engine as it didn't have a lot of torque below 4,000 RPMs, but it's high revving capability and durability made it a really good engine for Trans-Am racing. The later Z28s came equipped with engines that made them much more street friendly vehicles, and were not built with concern with qualifying for Trans-Am racing. That is part of what separates the first generation Z/28s from the later versions.

Of course the slash has nothing to do with making the Z/28 a race car, but the slash over the years has become symbolic of the differences between the first generation Z/28s and the later versions.
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There is a big difference between a Z with and without the slash.

The bottom line is you need to know the difference if you're talking to Camaro enthusiasts and purists, because they will most likely bite your head off if you refer to a 4th gen Z28 with a slash, or forget to type the slash when referring to a 1968-70, which the 2014 is descended from.

The 2014 is NOT descended from the 2nd - 4th gens that were Z28s. The IROC, the Z28 SS, the SLP engineering package..... all cars that were fast and handled well, but were not what the Z/28 was about. I think in a way GM understood that, hence the fact they kept the slash off for this long. When the 5th gen came back into production for 2010, the SS was used and any reference to any Z was kept on the back burner because GM knew how revered and hallowed the Z name is in Camaro history despite many calls to use the Z28 (for those uninformed newbies) and the Z/28 (for the hard core enthusiasts). They could have continued from the 4th gen and made the V8 model a Z if they wanted to, but that continues the dilution of the original Z, and also Chevy is intent on using "SS" in a more uniform manner, to designate all of their performance cars. So the decision was made to not use anything with a Z on it until a Camaro worthy of the original intent of the Z was designed. The hard core enthusiasts voices were heard...... if you haven't noticed, this 2014 Camaro Z/28 is NOT an "SS Z/28"..... it is a "Camaro Z/28", and that is how it will show on your insurance card.

The '68-70 and 2014 is a Z/28. Anything else is a Z28 and not the same. Just a name.
The 71 was just as much a Z28 as a 70. The 30 hp was really no big deal if you advanced your timing and ran premium gas. Every thing else was the same. Even the 72 still had the LT1.
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Z28 = some badges, decals, maybe some spiffy wheels on a otherwise run of the mill V8 Camaro

Z/28 = A $100K race car that you will never own
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I bought a brand new 1978 Z28 and it was no way a track car.My dad's caddy could kick my ass
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