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Old 03-29-2013, 03:33 PM   #1
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2014 Z/28 vs ???

With the performance stats we do know about the Z/28, what cars would it be comparable to? How would it do against something like a GTR or even a base Z06?
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Performance wise? It would lose to both on the strip, track, street, it's still heavy.
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The comparison between a ZL1 and GTR I saw had the ZL1 2.8 seconds behind the GTR. Based on what GM said, the Z/28 should be close to GTR numbers.
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The comparison between a ZL1 and GTR I saw had the ZL1 2.8 seconds behind the GTR. Based on what GM said, the Z/28 should be close to GTR numbers.
Scott Settlemire said "The 2014 is dedicated to the “Z/28” purist. This is a track car that makes no excuses. That this car is a full three seconds faster on a track than the mighty ZL1 speaks volumes to its intent."
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Head of SRT is talkin'....
"Here’s some news for you: during a special edition taping of Wide Open Throttle live at the New York Auto Show, our special guest, SRT boss Ralph Gilles, said that SRT will soon have “an answer for the Z/28.” Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/srt-workin...#ixzz2PG6kcJVI
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I find it hard to believe that a car 500 or more lbs heavier than a Z06 will run with it. Of course, stranger things have happened... It does have wider rubber and the improvement of several years of technology. I don't see why a Z/28 couldn't hang with a base Z06, but one with Z07/cup tires will probably be quicker.

I also find it hard to believe that it will keep up with a GTR given the fact that the ZR1 has a hard time with a GTR. Yes, it's faster, but it's also got 638 horse and weighs much less than the Z/28.

I don't have any difficulty believing that the Z/28 will give the GTR and Z06 a run for their money price to performance wise, and heck, it might even hang with those cars... but I think they will more than edge it out. Of course, this is all relative. Keep in mind that the 1LE ran 3 seconds appx faster around Laguna than a GT with the track-pack... and it was closer than 3 seconds to the GTR. If the Z/28 shaves 2 seconds off the time at Laguna, it'd be about a second behind the GTR. That's a measureable difference, but it's respectable.

Please don't flame. I actually hate the GTR--think it's ugly as sin and don't think it takes much skill to drive, but I respect it. I would take a ZL1, Z/28, Z06 or ZR1 over it any day, though!
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:49 PM   #7
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Head of SRT is talkin'....
"Here’s some news for you: during a special edition taping of Wide Open Throttle live at the New York Auto Show, our special guest, SRT boss Ralph Gilles, said that SRT will soon have “an answer for the Z/28.” Read more: http://wot.motortrend.com/srt-workin...#ixzz2PG6kcJVI
A Dodge that can handle? I'll believe it when I see it. Pobst said even the new Viper is hard to control compared to the ZR1. I respect what they've done with the Chally, but I just don't see it as being a viable platform for track duty when you compare it to the Camaro (good suspension) or the much lighter Mustang. Of course, I could be wrong and I will be more than willing to eat my hat if I am
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A Dodge that can handle? I'll believe it when I see it. Pobst said even the new Viper is hard to control compared to the ZR1. I respect what they've done with the Chally, but I just don't see it as being a viable platform for track duty when you compare it to the Camaro (good suspension) or the much lighter Mustang. Of course, I could be wrong and I will be more than willing to eat my hat if I am
Exactly, let's see what Mopar has up their sleeves... won't lose sleep over it.
BTW I see you have an IROC-Z 'vert... sweet! I used to have an '88 GTA w/ the 5.7... took it to the track once back then which was my first time ever and it ran 14.7secs stock.
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A Dodge that can handle? I'll believe it when I see it. Pobst said even the new Viper is hard to control compared to the ZR1. I respect what they've done with the Chally, but I just don't see it as being a viable platform for track duty when you compare it to the Camaro (good suspension) or the much lighter Mustang. Of course, I could be wrong and I will be more than willing to eat my hat if I am
Not dodge, an SRT...
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The Viper ACR still holds the Nürburgring production car record. 7mins. 12.1 seconds. The ZR1 has a best time of 7mins 19 seconds.

To be fair, you're absolutely right. However, the ZR1 beats it around Laguna Seca. Different courses, different results. Dodge made a great machine in the Viper, but they have failed to reliably produce anything kind of sports/muscle car (other than the viper)in recent years that can also handle... Unless of cours you go back to the Stealth TT cars, but those were Mitsus all along. Bottom line: I'm not saying it won't happen, but I'll believe it when I see it. I can't see SRT making another halo car to compete with the Viper, which means any competition we see will likely be in Chally form. That platform has inherent flaws and weaknesses for track duty. Not that the Camaro is perfect by any means, but I think it is much better suited to it that an SRT8 392 with some hopped up suspension.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:41 PM   #11
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Exactly, let's see what Mopar has up their sleeves... won't lose sleep over it.
BTW I see you have an IROC-Z 'vert... sweet! I used to have an '88 GTA w/ the 5.7... took it to the track once back then which was my first time ever and it ran 14.7secs stock.
Thanks! I love my turd gen, but it's in pieces at the moment. I have the 305 TPI unfortunately as the 350 wasn't offered in the vert. The 14.9 was with new rubber and an under drive pulley, 150k on the clock I love GTAs, though you never see them anymore!!
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I find it hard to believe that a car 500 or more lbs heavier than a Z06 will run with it. Of course, stranger things have happened... It does have wider rubber and the improvement of several years of technology. I don't see why a Z/28 couldn't hang with a base Z06, but one with Z07/cup tires will probably be quicker.

I also find it hard to believe that it will keep up with a GTR given the fact that the ZR1 has a hard time with a GTR. Yes, it's faster, but it's also got 638 horse and weighs much less than the Z/28.

I don't have any difficulty believing that the Z/28 will give the GTR and Z06 a run for their money price to performance wise, and heck, it might even hang with those cars... but I think they will more than edge it out. Of course, this is all relative. Keep in mind that the 1LE ran 3 seconds appx faster around Laguna than a GT with the track-pack... and it was closer than 3 seconds to the GTR. If the Z/28 shaves 2 seconds off the time at Laguna, it'd be about a second behind the GTR. That's a measureable difference, but it's respectable.

Please don't flame. I actually hate the GTR--think it's ugly as sin and don't think it takes much skill to drive, but I respect it. I would take a ZL1, Z/28, Z06 or ZR1 over it any day, though!

I don't think the Z/28 will out run those cars but I don't know what it competition will be other than cars like the GTR.
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Old 04-02-2013, 09:43 AM   #13
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To be fair, you're absolutely right. However, the ZR1 beats it around Laguna Seca. Different courses, different results. Dodge made a great machine in the Viper, but they have failed to reliably produce anything kind of sports/muscle car (other than the viper)in recent years that can also handle... Unless of cours you go back to the Stealth TT cars, but those were Mitsus all along. Bottom line: I'm not saying it won't happen, but I'll believe it when I see it. I can't see SRT making another halo car to compete with the Viper, which means any competition we see will likely be in Chally form. That platform has inherent flaws and weaknesses for track duty. Not that the Camaro is perfect by any means, but I think it is much better suited to it that an SRT8 392 with some hopped up suspension.
Actually the current crop of SRT8 cars are great handlers and often get compared to BMWs in their handling prowess and abilities. Same with the GC SRT8, easily one of the best handling bohemoths out there. I see a lot of measures taken to lighten the car, as weight is the major hinderance on the platform. I can se them matching the Z28's weight and making a car pretty comparable with considerable effort (as GM had to impart considerable effort into the Camaro to make the Z28 what it is).
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They never said Challenger answer to the Z-28. I'm prediction a 3000lbs, 400hp turbo charged AWD Dart SRT with racing suspension and recaro seats.......lol, j/k.

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It already will out handle it's domestic cousins.
- handling beats the clock and the power hungry on most given tracks.
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I don't think the Z/28 will out run those cars but I don't know what it competition will be other than cars like the GTR.
I agree. I don't think anything under 100k will be able to touch it except a Z06. Nobody else has anything that can offer that level of performance, not even Porsche. The closest competitor to the Z/28 will be a ZL1. God damn it..it's 1993 all over again and Ford once again has to play catch up...
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I agree. I don't think anything under 100k will be able to touch it except a Z06. Nobody else has anything that can offer that level of performance, not even Porsche. The closest competitor to the Z/28 will be a ZL1. God damn it..it's 1993 all over again and Ford once again has to play catch up...

I don't see it as Ford playing catch up. Ford has done a lot more with the Mustang in the past than GM did with the Camaro. Even now, in my opinion, Ford built their name plate track car and moved on. GM was late to the game with the Z/28. Does that mean the Z/28 is not epic in every way? No but it would have been cool for the Z/28 to come out in 2012 like the BOSS 302.

It should be interesting to see what the Z/28 runs with. Both the ZL1 and 1LE ran with cars that cost more so I am assuming the Z/28 will too.
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Performance wise, I think Ford definitely has to play catch up. It doesn't matter what they have done with the Mustang, as it stands right now, even the regular FE4 updated SS Camaros I think would best a GT Track Pack, let alone a 1LE. Ford has no answer to the ZL1 either, let alone a Z/28. Boss 302 was better then the Mustangs of it's generation, but it is not a better performer than the cheaper and much quicker 1LE. Which one would I buy in 2013 if I had the choice all over again? Honestly, probably the Mustang again. I fit in it much better, especially during track events when I have a helmet on. I can't wait for the new Mustang to come out, as well as the next gen Camaro, and I also can't wait to get my hands on a new C7 to drive as well. It's great to be a car guy nowadays. Hopefully Ford's next Mustang will have a well sorted IRS, and not that hack job they stuck in the Terminators.
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The comparison between a ZL1 and GTR I saw had the ZL1 2.8 seconds behind the GTR. Based on what GM said, the Z/28 should be close to GTR numbers.
In a straight line? It'll be interesting to see the 0-60 times of the Z/28 and ZL1. I'm sure if the Z/28 is faster it'll most likely be .1 difference.
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In a straight line? It'll be interesting to see the 0-60 times of the Z/28 and ZL1. I'm sure if the Z/28 is faster it'll most likely be .1 difference.
No that quote was meant as circuit use I would think. The Z/28 wasn't built for being a full on straight line drag racer. I think it has a good shot against the GTR. Too many people think that the almighty GTR can't be beat.
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No that quote was meant as circuit use I would think. The Z/28 wasn't built for being a full on straight line drag racer. I think it has a good shot against the GTR. Too many people think that the almighty GTR can't be beat.
GTR is a beast though, it won't bow down easily. Then you have to remind yourself if it is beat they'll improve it.
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I don't see it as Ford playing catch up. Ford has done a lot more with the Mustang in the past than GM did with the Camaro. Even now, in my opinion, Ford built their name plate track car and moved on. GM was late to the game with the Z/28. Does that mean the Z/28 is not epic in every way? No but it would have been cool for the Z/28 to come out in 2012 like the BOSS 302.

It should be interesting to see what the Z/28 runs with. Both the ZL1 and 1LE ran with cars that cost more so I am assuming the Z/28 will too.
Bingo. GM has caught up and surpassed somewhat now. 2015, Ford will answer? Who knows.
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GTR is a beast though, it won't bow down easily. Then you have to remind yourself if it is beat they'll improve it.
The GTR guys will never stop improving. Whether they get beat or not.
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No that quote was meant as circuit use I would think. The Z/28 wasn't built for being a full on straight line drag racer. I think it has a good shot against the GTR. Too many people think that the almighty GTR can't be beat.
0-60 in 2.6 second, 1/4 in 10.80s, and it has amazing cornering capabilities. I would say that is pretty tough to beat for under 100k.
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0-60 in 2.6 second, 1/4 in 10.80s, and it has amazing cornering capabilities. I would say that is pretty tough to beat for under 100k.
Price has nothing to do with my argument. I just find it funny that so many people think the GTR is a unstoppable monster that rapes everything, which it's not. Fast car? Yes. Nice car? Yes. Good for the money? Certainly. Unstoppable? No.
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