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Old 03-31-2013, 06:23 PM   #251
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Design styles change over time and Chevrolet must make changes in pursuit of progress. History shows that several design changes are a step backward, but in order to move forward there will be setbacks. The verdict is not in for the 2014 refresh, that will be decided by the sales figures next year. The pole on this site is statistically significant, but the sample population is not random so I don't read much into it. I am glad Scott has the passion he has and takes the time to give us his perspective.
I think that since GM was bringing out the Z/28 for 2014, they wanted a bit of refresh in doing so. That is why they didn't go fullout with the refresh. No real interior changes other than new seats, generic rear end and a different front grille. I think they are saving their best ideas for the 6th generation model. That is my hope anyway and I think it makes sense. That is why the back of the car isn't as exciting as it could be.
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Old 03-31-2013, 06:31 PM   #252
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I think that since GM was bringing out the Z/28 for 2014, they wanted a bit of refresh in doing so. That is why they didn't go fullout with the refresh. No real interior changes other than new seats, generic rear end and a different front grille. I think they are saving their best ideas for the 6th generation model. That is my hope anyway and I think it makes sense. That is why the back of the car isn't as exciting as it could be.
I hope that is their strategy, then people would be like and and and enough of that for them too to the dealerships.
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:04 PM   #253
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look at it this way, at least they didn't mess up like Jeep did with the new Cherokee
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:13 PM   #254
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Nice write up Scott, but how do you really feel?
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:14 PM   #255
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I know everything has to change at some point but if the Camaro looked like that back in 09 I would not have rushed out to the dealer to put my deposit down on an allocation and wait for months for it to arrive, but the z/28 does look a lot better then the other models and I would buy one if I could afford the 70 to 80k price tag this is going cost.. When I first saw pictures of the 10 Camaro I was telling everyone no matter what I am getting one of thoses no matter what.
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:28 PM   #256
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.. When I first saw pictures of the 10 Camaro I was telling everyone no matter what I am getting one of thoses no matter what.
X 2 hopefully I will be saying the same thing for the next Generation.

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Old 03-31-2013, 07:29 PM   #257
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Changes on no changes- just Thank-you for bringing the Camaro back 4 years ago- it could have been gone forever- severely limiting the choices for performance cars. I think everyone just be greatful that Chevrolet brought it back! I know I am!
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Old 03-31-2013, 07:47 PM   #258
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Scott, Great write up as always! I first off want to thank you and the team for inviting me and my dad to the 2014 Camaro reveal..it was truly an event that i will never forget...i still get gosebumps watching the reveal video!

Scott basicly said it all but i would like to say that PICS DO NOT DO THE JUSTICE ON THIS CAR! when i first saw the lights i did not like them....went to the show on wensday and i am now in love with the rear lights as well as the front fasica and everything elese on this great car! SOO please SEE the car first before you knock it!

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Old 03-31-2013, 07:48 PM   #259
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Great input Scott. I love how you took past concerns, addressed them, and showed how you met the customers requests/needs. Well done.
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:21 PM   #260
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I was one of the 547 that voted Liked.

When I first joined C5 I was naive to think there was love for all Camaros. My first post stating thank you GM / Chevrolet for making a 300+ HP V6. Then people would call the v6 a girls car. If you the owner didn't like this and made a comment back it was somehow contorted into you have thin skin. I don't know to many people that would like comments that are not constructive. My family taught me if you don't have something constructive to say why state it at all. In our new world consequences for what one writes on the internet isn't there. So as far as the comments go please weed out the bad and listen to the constructive!

Thank you for the 2014 line up!!!!
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:31 PM   #261
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look at it this way, at least they didn't mess up like Jeep did with the new Cherokee
Fill me in, what happened?
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:40 PM   #262
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Camaro2lt posted that the z/28 has a exposed carbon fiber extractor, I wonder if the one on the SS is painted CF and not cheap plastic like people have posted.
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:43 PM   #263
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Old 03-31-2013, 08:45 PM   #264
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All I want to say is you can't/will never please everyone, no matter how hard you try. There will always be haters and pot-stirrers, but rest assured, the the efforts of "Team Camaro" and "Team Corvette" are greatly appreciated by thousands of automotive enthusiasts around the world. As the owner of both a Camaro and Vette, I personally love all that has been done to the '14 Camaro and C7 Stingray. Looking at the various coments on YouTube and other automotive sites and blogs, all I can do is laugh! If you don't have hatters, you're not doing something right! So Scott, keep your head up, know that your team is doing a banging job!!!
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:24 PM   #265
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Camaro2lt posted that the z/28 has a exposed carbon fiber extractor, I wonder if the one on the SS is painted CF and not cheap plastic like people have posted.
This looks a billion times better than how it initially looked in the blurry pics. At first it looked like plastic. I think this will look really good.
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Old 03-31-2013, 09:52 PM   #266
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You certainly can't please everybody. But the decision to please Honda Prelude owners by bringing back their mid-90's rear end? There's simply no way to explain that away.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:08 PM   #267
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Fill me in, what happened?
Jeep just released their version of the Pontiac Aztek as the new Cherokee.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:32 PM   #268
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Im ready to buy one of these $65k+ Z28's and actually drive it like it was designed to be driven!!!! WAY TO GO FBODFATHER! Your work is tremendous!
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:38 PM   #269
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I'll pass on the new look. Glad I ordered a '13.
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Old 03-31-2013, 10:40 PM   #270
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i think this is a great opportunity for the aftermarket to kick in. take those tail lights out and install a new assembly. obviously the overall shape wouldn't change, but that's not really the problem i don't think. the new lights could have some depth or character--sawtooth like a '69, or at least individual lights like the new stingray. there's a ton of room for improvement on those tail lights to add some depth and character, and bring it back to a muscular look.
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Scott I DO NOT LIKE THE FLIPPING FLAPPING REAR TAIL LIGHTS, thats it I am done lol

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Old 03-31-2013, 11:49 PM   #272
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Right isn't it sickening ? This guy fbod is gonna need a bigger hat for as much as his head has to be growing. Seriously do you guys think he's gonna give the biggest butt kisser a car?
Sad thing is, these are the same guys who only days ago wanted to lynch the tail light designers.

I still say that most of the changes are good but the tail lights ruin it. I don't know of anyone that had a problem with the other lights. That is one of the problems with designers they can never leave well enough alone.
OK - we'll start all over again and give you everything you want.....and as to the rest of the enthusiasts...well, to heck with them.

I don't mean to be brusque - but it appears that you really don't care what I say -- you evidently don't care about the explanation - and you don't seem to care what anyone else says. If YOU don't like what we've done, we're wrong....and if someone says they like it - well then, they're just "kissing butt" -- which, if I was one of the people who said "I like it!" - I'd be very much offended by your 'kissing butt" remark.

Perhaps you really need to look at the bigger picture and realize that AS I SAID SEVERAL TIMES over the past week - no matter what we do, we'll not make everyone happy.

I'm sorry you don't like the new car. Perhaps you will in 6 months. If you don't -- well - I don't know that there's anything we can do about it.
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Over 1400 people voted in the other poll. You don't even have 200 yet. The other poll was over 900 against vs 500 for. Give it some time dude, before you jump to conclusions.
You have a point. However, how many of the people who voted have actually seen the car in person?

I very much remember unveiling the 2002 35th Anniversary Camaro. The people who saw the car at the unveil for the most part loved it. (....except for one woman who was CERTAIN that we would bring a car out that was exactly like the 1969 Camaro........)

Those on the internet, however, raised Holy Heck........and yet some of those very people ordered one a few weeks later. And - we had people upset that we only built 3,000 for the U.S.

What I'm saying is that I've been down this road. There were polls about the Concept car. There were polls about the SS fascia - There were polls about the first steering wheel in the 2010 - There were polls about the revised steering wheel.............there are polls for our polls. The reality is that every one of the polls I mention had about 50 to 60 percent of the pollsters not liking what they saw. And in almost every case - they'd never seen the car or the component in person.

What I want to see is the responses to those who have seen the various models in person -- the reality is that the sales numbers will tell the real story.
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You have a point. However, how many of the people who voted have actually seen the car in person?

I very much remember unveiling the 2002 35th Anniversary Camaro. The people who saw the car at the unveil for the most part loved it. (....except for one woman who was CERTAIN that we would bring a car out that was exactly like the 1969 Camaro........)

Those on the internet, however, raised Holy Heck........and yet some of those very people ordered one a few weeks later. And - we had people upset that we only built 3,000 for the U.S.

What I'm saying is that I've been down this road. There were polls about the Concept car. There were polls about the SS fascia - There were polls about the first steering wheel in the 2010 - There were polls about the revised steering wheel.............there are polls for our polls. The reality is that every one of the polls I mention had about 50 to 60 percent of the pollsters not liking what they saw. And in almost every case - they'd never seen the car or the component in person.

What I want to see is the responses to those who have seen the various models in person -- the reality is that the sales numbers will tell the real story.
After your earlier comment about polls I asked Tran to take it down but he hasn't. I believe like you said many will change their minds about it once the actually get to see them if not at first then later. As I told in another thread when the HHR came out in 2006 I didn't care much for it. But within a year I started liking them and ended up buying one. It was a great little vehicle.
I am sure people will come around....
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I appreciate your comments of support - but I'm noticing a trend here and I want to make something clear --

I am not the leader of the team. The term "Fbodfather" was bestowed upon me by a group of camaro/firebird enthusiasts wayyyyyyyyy back in 2000 at "Camaros at Carlisle" At the time, the F-car was destined to 'go away' - and a few of us put the word "Hiatus" in the press release in the summer of 2001 - so that you'd know we were hoping to one day bring back our beloved Camaro.

I would be beyond proud to say that I am the 'leader' of all that happens at 'Team Camaro' -

Not even close! I'm not an engineer. I'm not a designer. I'm the voice of the customer and I'm a dyed in the wool Camaro Enthusiast. I'm the historian of Camaro. And.....I'm a thorn in the side of some people.

Al Oppenheiser is the Chief Engineer. He's one passionate guy about anything Camaro. He was intimately involved with the Camaro Concept - and I can't think of anyone better suited to the job......he has been a Camaro enthusiast all his life -- and his family has a history working for GM. This is NOT JUST A JOB to him!

Tom Peters is our Director of Design...........has been a Camaro enthusiast all his life. Loves what he does. He's also on the team that brought you the C7 Stingray.

Cheryl Pilcher - our Product Manager - second generation GM - first car was a Trans Am.......LOVES Camaros. I've worked with Cheryl since late 1996 - and I can tell you that this is one talented Engineer. Some call her "The Queen of the Z06" for a very good reason..........

Mark Stielow -- do I have to say ANYTHING?

The list goes on and on and I hate to post names because there are so many talented people on this team.......and then there are the men and women of our Oshawa Build Team.......they KNOW they are building 'dreams' -- not just 'cars'.....

I am but a very tiny cog in the great group known as "Team Camaro" - and they (believe it or not) tolerate me!

(God Love 'em)

I just want people to know that there are thousands of people who work everyday in the various disciplines within GM to bring you these magnificent Automobiles.

I'm just the guy that comes on here to post. (there are many other members that come on here to listen to what you have to say........)

And for what it's worth? NO other brand spends more time "with" and "listening to" our customers! Not one.
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