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Old 03-31-2013, 11:55 PM   #273
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Over 1400 people voted in the other poll. You don't even have 200 yet. The other poll was over 900 against vs 500 for. Give it some time dude, before you jump to conclusions.
You have a point. However, how many of the people who voted have actually seen the car in person?

I very much remember unveiling the 2002 35th Anniversary Camaro. The people who saw the car at the unveil for the most part loved it. (....except for one woman who was CERTAIN that we would bring a car out that was exactly like the 1969 Camaro........)

Those on the internet, however, raised Holy Heck........and yet some of those very people ordered one a few weeks later. And - we had people upset that we only built 3,000 for the U.S.

What I'm saying is that I've been down this road. There were polls about the Concept car. There were polls about the SS fascia - There were polls about the first steering wheel in the 2010 - There were polls about the revised steering wheel.............there are polls for our polls. The reality is that every one of the polls I mention had about 50 to 60 percent of the pollsters not liking what they saw. And in almost every case - they'd never seen the car or the component in person.

What I want to see is the responses to those who have seen the various models in person -- the reality is that the sales numbers will tell the real story.
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:07 AM   #274
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You have a point. However, how many of the people who voted have actually seen the car in person?

I very much remember unveiling the 2002 35th Anniversary Camaro. The people who saw the car at the unveil for the most part loved it. (....except for one woman who was CERTAIN that we would bring a car out that was exactly like the 1969 Camaro........)

Those on the internet, however, raised Holy Heck........and yet some of those very people ordered one a few weeks later. And - we had people upset that we only built 3,000 for the U.S.

What I'm saying is that I've been down this road. There were polls about the Concept car. There were polls about the SS fascia - There were polls about the first steering wheel in the 2010 - There were polls about the revised steering wheel.............there are polls for our polls. The reality is that every one of the polls I mention had about 50 to 60 percent of the pollsters not liking what they saw. And in almost every case - they'd never seen the car or the component in person.

What I want to see is the responses to those who have seen the various models in person -- the reality is that the sales numbers will tell the real story.
After your earlier comment about polls I asked Tran to take it down but he hasn't. I believe like you said many will change their minds about it once the actually get to see them if not at first then later. As I told in another thread when the HHR came out in 2006 I didn't care much for it. But within a year I started liking them and ended up buying one. It was a great little vehicle.
I am sure people will come around....
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:09 AM   #275
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I appreciate your comments of support - but I'm noticing a trend here and I want to make something clear --

I am not the leader of the team. The term "Fbodfather" was bestowed upon me by a group of camaro/firebird enthusiasts wayyyyyyyyy back in 2000 at "Camaros at Carlisle" At the time, the F-car was destined to 'go away' - and a few of us put the word "Hiatus" in the press release in the summer of 2001 - so that you'd know we were hoping to one day bring back our beloved Camaro.

I would be beyond proud to say that I am the 'leader' of all that happens at 'Team Camaro' -

Not even close! I'm not an engineer. I'm not a designer. I'm the voice of the customer and I'm a dyed in the wool Camaro Enthusiast. I'm the historian of Camaro. And.....I'm a thorn in the side of some people.

Al Oppenheiser is the Chief Engineer. He's one passionate guy about anything Camaro. He was intimately involved with the Camaro Concept - and I can't think of anyone better suited to the job......he has been a Camaro enthusiast all his life -- and his family has a history working for GM. This is NOT JUST A JOB to him!

Tom Peters is our Director of Design...........has been a Camaro enthusiast all his life. Loves what he does. He's also on the team that brought you the C7 Stingray.

Cheryl Pilcher - our Product Manager - second generation GM - first car was a Trans Am.......LOVES Camaros. I've worked with Cheryl since late 1996 - and I can tell you that this is one talented Engineer. Some call her "The Queen of the Z06" for a very good reason..........

Mark Stielow -- do I have to say ANYTHING?

The list goes on and on and I hate to post names because there are so many talented people on this team.......and then there are the men and women of our Oshawa Build Team.......they KNOW they are building 'dreams' -- not just 'cars'.....

I am but a very tiny cog in the great group known as "Team Camaro" - and they (believe it or not) tolerate me!

(God Love 'em)

I just want people to know that there are thousands of people who work everyday in the various disciplines within GM to bring you these magnificent Automobiles.

I'm just the guy that comes on here to post. (there are many other members that come on here to listen to what you have to say........)

And for what it's worth? NO other brand spends more time "with" and "listening to" our customers! Not one.
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:44 AM   #276
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You guys did a great job on the 2014! dont let the trolls and poepl that hate anything new get you guys! Im still not a fan of the tail lights, but it wouldnt slow me down from signing on the dotted line if I was in market! Keep up the good work. If it makes you feel better Im one of those z/28 purists. Bought an ss due to the fact you said there wouldnt be a z/28, haha now Im wishing I waited you made it exactly as it should be!!

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EDIT: take back what I said about the tailights, just seen upclose pictures of the rearend and the new tail lights look great compared to the images shown on the prerelease on TV

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And for what it's worth? NO other brand spends more time "with" and "listening to" our customers! Not one.
I just wish GM would make more of point listening to there truck customers about what they want, been a few "wants" that are easily obtainablethat we have been asking for for years that they havent addressed. But thanks for not being that way with the Camaro!
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:59 AM   #277
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I was one of the 547 that voted Liked.

When I first joined C5 I was naive to think there was love for all Camaros. My first post stating thank you GM / Chevrolet for making a 300+ HP V6. Then people would call the v6 a girls car. If you the owner didn't like this and made a comment back it was somehow contorted into you have thin skin. I don't know to many people that would like comments that are not constructive. My family taught me if you don't have something constructive to say why state it at all. In our new world consequences for what one writes on the internet isn't there. So as far as the comments go please weed out the bad and listen to the constructive!

Thank you for the 2014 line up!!!!
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Old 04-01-2013, 01:13 AM   #278
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My thoughts about all fuss.

If you do not like the 2014 Camaro changes there is nothing wrong with expressing your opinion, even with passion. This should not be a pure fan-boy site. But even so I think the thought police around here are too much like Bambi's mother. There is nothing wrong with spirited debate, it makes life and products more interesting. That is not encouraged or sometimes even allowed here. When ideas are scrubbed clean often the baby does get thrown out with the bath water.

But that being said, those posters calling for people to get fired and personally insulting those who obviously are working hard for us is too much to bear. Those haters are adding worthless dribble not worth reading. They should take their thoughts elsewhere.

We also need to keep in mind that at least some of the negativity is due to the fact that with the 2014 changes, everyone here no longer has the latest and greatest Camaro. That is why any change is resented to some degree. Human nature. We are all molded in so many ways by our society to be good little consumers always wanting the latest and greatest thing. Baaaa.

This is good news for the car industry, as most cars today are very reliable and will last a very long time.

My confession: Adding the Recaro seats to the 1LE makes me want a 2014 really bad. Really bad. And I like the 2014 changes, even the hood vent. Baaaa.

And the Z/28 is way beyond cool. I am putting driving one on my bucket list.

Scott, thanks for clearing up the Z28 and Z/28 thing for me. What a difference a slash makes.
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Old 04-01-2013, 01:21 AM   #279
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“…..this car should come in at 40K!...” (even though we’ve not discussed price as of yet—and frankly, 40K is as attainable as me being elected as President of the United States……….)
I think we need to explore this president idea. I really want a $40k Z/28.

So far I love the pictures, models offered(wish I could afford high end one, but that's my problem) I hope to check out the new SS and 1LE when they're out. The hood extractor was small at first, but after reading your explanation I like it.
Thanks for the good work and for your explanation.
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Old 04-01-2013, 01:38 AM   #280
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About the taillights...

I know why they got changed. Here's the REAL story....

Mustang owners were bitching that the scenery never changed. So Chevy gave the Camaro something new for the Mustangs to look at. Maybe you'd get a better poll result from the Mustang forums about the taillights. They're the ones going to be looking at them most of the time anyway. hahaha. (Sorry my pony car rival brethren, I just HAD to do it. Nothing personal, it's all in fun.)
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Old 04-01-2013, 04:30 AM   #281
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So Chevy gave the Camaro something new for the Mustangs to look at.)
The should take that smart-ass computer in the dash and use the reverse camera to automatically post videos to YouTube through OnStar. That way Mustang owners have a permanent record of how their car looks while being passed!
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Old 04-01-2013, 05:38 AM   #282
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Can't wait Thank God I'm a Camaro fan... I owned a 1998 camaro V6, and I drive a 2011 2SS/RS. I luv every moment i spent in my 98 V6 and luve everything about my '11 2SS

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Old 04-01-2013, 05:56 AM   #283
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About the taillights...

I know why they got changed. Here's the REAL story....

Mustang owners were bitching that the scenery never changed. So Chevy gave the Camaro something new for the Mustangs to look at. Maybe you'd get a better poll result from the Mustang forums about the taillights. They're the ones going to be looking at them most of the time anyway. hahaha. (Sorry my pony car rival brethren, I just HAD to do it. Nothing personal, it's all in fun.)
That's some funny shit right there!
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:14 AM   #284
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You STILL need to offer a beautiful medium blue without attaching it to a limited run appearance package that looks ridiculous. And no matter how many times you say it, I'm not going to take "well blue doesn't sell well" or "we can't tool the factory paint booth for that many colors" for an answer. Lack of medium blue = unacceptable.

Z/28: Ok cool, so you made an incredible performing Camaro with lots of expensive options and while you were at it, you made it totally impractical to drive on the street. Awesome. Great GM, that's just what I wanted.

Otherwise, great job on the improvements you've made on the 2014's. I for one actually really like the new rear end. We'll see what the color palette looks like for the 2014's. Oh, and I also happen to really like the original steering wheel, and always have.
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:44 AM   #285
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There are some good discussions going on and a lot of good posts. I appreciate all the great work that had been done on the camaro. Everyone has an opinion on what they like or do not like but I think the progression of the the 5th gen camaro has been stellar. The chassis and drive train improvements have been great and proven on every track. Yeah people complain the car is too heavy etc but it is pretty impressive the tuning the Chevy team could get out of this platform. I look forward to what is left in development on this platform and the surprises of the 6th generation. I am looking forward to seeing the cars in person at the NYC autoshow. Thanks for the hard work!!
The more I see of the front and back updates the more I like it. The front definitely has a more aggressive look. I also agree with the changes that differentiate the different models. Also like the Z/28 on the fenders instead of camaro.

People have commented on when the 1993 z/28 came out. I still have my '95 and still enjoy it.(a little down in power from my ZL1 . It is pretty amazing that when I bought that car it was one of the best performing cars with 275 HP. Now look at where we are with the 6 cyl over 300 HP and a new z/28 with at least 500. Good Times!
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Old 04-01-2013, 07:59 AM   #286
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Z/28: Ok cool, so you made an incredible performing Camaro with lots of expensive options and while you were at it, you made it totally impractical to drive on the street. Awesome. Great GM, that's just what I wanted.
Not directed totally at you...

But for the life of me I don't understand comments like these. Sounds like all some care about is just having the Z/28 logo on their car. What's wrong w/ the ZL1? Doesn't it fit the bill for a streetable track car? Would it be acceptable to swap logos and put Z/28 on the 1LE or ZL1?

To me, GM has covered just about all bases with this lineup. I really think the underlying issue for some is the anticipated price. They wanted the car so bad and now it's out of reach, when in fact it's everything the majority of us were asking for.
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^ Agree. There will be many who are disappointed due to the price & attainability factor. It's a well equipt race ready car targeted for the few who will utilize it for its intended use, or for those who can afford it no matter what it's used for.

Some will complain because they want this new Z/28 on a base SS budget... kinda like fine Dom Perignon champagne on a Schlitz beer budget so to speak.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:13 AM   #288
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^ Agree. There will be many who are disappointed due to the price & attainability factor. It's a well equipt race ready car targeted for the few who will utilize it for its intended use, or for those who can afford it no matter what it's used for.
^^ X2 Agree..
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:27 AM   #289
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Thank you for taking the time to write all that for us. Just read all of it, now im up to speed! I very much enjoy the new Z/28. I watched the live unveiling of the car, and i was a little confused. They said that it would only have one speaker (for the 'ding ding' sound), but they werent very clear on whether it would have a radio or not? I understand that this car will be "stripped down", but i was just curious. Anyways, i love the new styling cues on the car. I loved how the first 4 years of the 5th gen looked, and i love how the new ones look!! Thanks for making an awesome car!!
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