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Old 04-01-2013, 08:51 AM   #290
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Not directed totally at you...

But for the life of me I don't understand comments like these. Sounds like all some care about is just having the Z/28 logo on their car. What's wrong w/ the ZL1? Doesn't it fit the bill for a streetable track car? Would it be acceptable to swap logos and put Z/28 on the 1LE or ZL1?

To me, GM has covered just about all bases with this lineup. I really think the underlying issue for some is the anticipated price. They wanted the car so bad and now it's out of reach, when in fact it's everything the majority of us were asking for.
100% on this side. I don't see the issue either. GM has diversified the lineup.

This guy wants a livable track car with most everything standard on the base. That's the ZL1.
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Old 04-01-2013, 08:58 AM   #291
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What ticks me off the most about this new Camaro is the lack of factory installed curb feelers. That would have been sweet. I also think a female pit crew should at least be an option for the Z/28.

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Old 04-01-2013, 09:26 AM   #292
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Not directed totally at you...

But for the life of me I don't understand comments like these. Sounds like all some care about is just having the Z/28 logo on their car. What's wrong w/ the ZL1? Doesn't it fit the bill for a streetable track car? Would it be acceptable to swap logos and put Z/28 on the 1LE or ZL1?

To me, GM has covered just about all bases with this lineup. I really think the underlying issue for some is the anticipated price. They wanted the car so bad and now it's out of reach, when in fact it's everything the majority of us were asking for.
I'm not saying the Z/28 isn't an absolutely wonderful marvel of a car.....because it most certainly is. I'm just saying.......not paying that much for a car that doesn't have modern amenities. Do I want a Camaro with an LS7 in it? Hell yeah I do. Do I want an LS7 Camaro with all that other stuff, and no amenities? Nah....not really. Not for me. I totally get the intent of the car, I really do, I mean, I'm not a total idiot. I totally understand WHY the Z/28 is what it is. Sorry, it's just not for me. And not because I can't afford it. But because frankly that's too much car to drive around town practically. And I'm the kind of guy that likes to drive his Camaro every day if possible, not just on the weekends, or the occasional track day. BUT, I want a Camaro with an LS7 in it. I'm bummed that there isn't a medium blue, and that I can't get an LS7 in my Camaro.

Otherwise........I'm happy! Don't hate on me because I'm not onboard with the Z28 brigade blaring trumpets and shouting "all hail the Z28".
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Old 04-01-2013, 09:34 AM   #293
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:16 AM   #294
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I'd like to thank the gentlemen for his points of clarification. I love the 2014 Camaro and believe it will continue its stronghold in the pony car segment. I too am shocked by the vulgarity expressed by members of this forum community regarding their dislike for the 2014 Camaro. You simply can't please everyone.
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Old 04-01-2013, 10:49 AM   #295
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:16 AM   #296
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@fbodfather: when do we get to see the LS/LT refresh?
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:23 AM   #297
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OK, sorry if this is already somewhere else in this huge thread, but someone please help me with the Z28 vs. Z/28 thing ----

The slash, Z/28, was only used on the name plates for some of the first gen Camaros with the z28 option. The slash Z/28 was not used in the order paperwork or anywhere else, and not on any other versions of the Z28 after the 1st gen's (until now with the 2014) is that correct?
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:27 AM   #298
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Thank you for the great post Fbod.

I actually had to take a break from this site last Thursday until now because of all the bickering and misunderstandings going on regarding the 2014 SS and the Z/28.

As a multiple first gen Z/28 owner, during the first and second generation period, I commend you and your disciples.
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Old 04-01-2013, 11:54 AM   #299
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Wait....you have a Blackberry???

Yup - prefer it to other choices.

I like the 'real' keypad....

(...altho the new B/berry I have seems to be possessed........)


I just took delivery of an XTS which, when you buy an XTS, comes with an iPad................Cadillac branding and all - a very nice touch.....

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Old 04-01-2013, 12:06 PM   #302
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All this Z/28 petty arguing over tail-lights and other minor issues I see as unfortunate...What most are missing is the "bigger picture" of the future of our beloved Camaros...

...Anybody notice...Retro is not dead? V-8s are more powerful? The modern Muscle Car Wars are still alive and well?....The factory is reducing weight on these cars?...
....Creature comforts that practically drive the car for you do not rule the day here?

....That whole refresh car-show was based on a performance theme...and Chevy being a race-day winner...

....Throw it all away and lobby for pedestrian, cheap, badged up Camaros if you want, the future of the Camaro is in great hands...and thankfully not in the hands of knee-jerk reactions to a few irrelevant visual features...
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:17 PM   #303
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I just want the 2014 Recaro's for my 2011 SS.
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Old 04-01-2013, 12:27 PM   #304
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All this Z/28 petty arguing over tail-lights and other minor issues I see as unfortunate...What most are missing is the "bigger picture" of the future of our beloved Camaros...

...Anybody notice...Retro is not dead? V-8s are more powerful? The modern Muscle Car Wars are still alive and well?....The factory is reducing weight on these cars?...
....Creature comforts that practically drive the car for you do not rule the day here?

....That whole refresh car-show was based on a performance theme...and Chevy being a race-day winner...

....Throw it all away and lobby for pedestrian, cheap, badged up Camaros if you want, the future of the Camaro is in great hands...and thankfully not in the hands of knee-jerk reactions to a few irrelevant visual features...


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Old 04-01-2013, 12:34 PM   #305
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For those that "just want an LS7" in a Camaro... why? That's a $15k mod as a crate engine; plus all the labor and other things you have to modify to install it. If all you want is 500 hp, that's relatively easy (and MUCH cheaper) to achieve with the current LS3. Just get a 1LE, mod the engine to 500 hp and you'll have the same performance hp-wise of an LS7. The only difference is the LS7 can redline at 7k instead of 6.5k but is that really worth an extra $10k?

500 hp at the crank is going to translate into about 435 to the rear wheels. There's about a 13% loss of hp due to various resistances of everything between the engine and the rear wheels on a stock factory car. A stock SS with an LS3 rated at 426 hp is showing about 370 to the rear wheels, so you'd be gaining about 65 hp. Which is fun. If that's all you want, you can get that by spending less than a third of what an LS7 will cost. That would place a modded 1LE somewhere between $40k-50k which appears to be the price range a lot of people want for the new Z/28 (which isn't going to happen).

The wheels and tires alone on the new Z/28 probably cost twice what it would cost to mod an LS3 to 500 hp. The new Z/28 is designed to be raced on a track, it's not designed for daily driving or toodling around town. Every other model Camaro is designed for that.

The only reason anybody wants/wanted a Z/28 was because it won the Trans Am in the hands of the Mark Donohue/Roger Penske racing team. If it had gotten regularly beaten by Mustangs and everything else on the track would people have wanted to buy and drive a car with Z/28 on the side? Not likely.

Mark Stielow and team have designed this new Z/28 to be a championship-winning car, and that's what it's going to do. I don't care for the plain design of the backend but that's a minor cosmetic issue. Performance-wise this car absolutely rocks and I can't wait to see it winning races on the track.
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For those that "just want an LS7" in a Camaro... why? That's a $15k mod as a crate engine; plus all the labor and other things you have to modify to install it. If all you want is 500 hp, that's relatively easy (and MUCH cheaper) to achieve with the current LS3. Just get a 1LE, mod the engine to 500 hp and you'll have the same performance hp-wise of an LS7. The only difference is the LS7 can redline at 7k instead of 6.5k but is that really worth an extra $10k?
Now do that without voiding the warranty. That's right, not possible. I believe there is a decently sized collection of enthusiasts that would like a $45k 500hp LS7 Camaro and I don't believe the Z/28 will be fitting that bill.
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