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Old 02-15-2008, 09:30 AM   #1
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GM will keep Camaro affordable...

I found this on another 5th Gen. site:

GM product planners will heed calls to make the Camaro affordable and will offer a comparable lineup to Ford’s Mustang range by starting with a low cost entry-level V6 model. Execs at GM know the reason the Mustang is so successful is because it stayed true to its roots as a very affordable car to a very broad base of people, and now the General hopes to emulate this with its new Camaro.

Speaking with Automotive News, president of GM North America Troy Clarke told reporters that high-performance V8 models such as the Mustang Cobra and Shelby Mustang act as halo models and create a buzz that draws in customers to showrooms but at the end of the day it’s the more affordable V6 models that’s bringing in the profits.

The new Camaro coupe will eventually go on sale in February next year and followed by the convertible model roughly nine months later. Clarke revealed that both cars will get a base V6 engine, likely to be a 3.6L unit with about 281hp. Of course there will likely be limited edition V8 models as well.

“We know that the mission with the Camaro isn’t to create a specialty vehicle with a very narrow appeal that is very much subject to your wallet,” Clarke explained. “The concept of the car will evolve into a really fun-to-drive, stylish vehicle, as opposed to something that just breathes fire and has more cubic inches than the next guy.”

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/c...-camaro-cheap/

Maybe we'll get pretty close to 300 horse out of the V6
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Old 02-15-2008, 09:45 AM   #2
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How do you do that?
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Old 02-15-2008, 09:56 AM   #3
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How do you do that?
How do you do what?



Personally, I hope GM sells a hundred and fifty thousand V6 Camaros. That makes the business case that much easier to justify so the few of us who want Z28 and SS models can still have them
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Old 02-15-2008, 09:58 AM   #4
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Get 300 hp out of the v6 (other then the DI)
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Old 02-15-2008, 10:32 AM   #5
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Other than DI?

Displacement and tricks with variable cam timing. Nissan is getting 306hp out of its 3.5L VQ35HR in the Nismo edition 350Z, and that's without DI.
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Old 02-15-2008, 10:48 AM   #6
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as opposed to something that just breathes fire and has more cubic inches than the next guy.”
Maybe Scott was mentioning fireball because he possibly drove a V8???
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Old 02-15-2008, 12:06 PM   #7
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its easy to get 300 hp out of a v6.

hell the old 3.8's in the grand prix's were close to 300 without the supercharger and that was old technology by todays standards.
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Good point.
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Old 02-15-2008, 01:26 PM   #9
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How do you do that?
The other's answered the question, but I think it is DI, though...but tuned for economy, instead of power. (hence the 281hp versus 300).

..........I think.
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Old 02-15-2008, 01:59 PM   #10
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I have to admit that a V6 making more power than my old LT1 is pretty cool.
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:06 PM   #11
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affordable is a good thing, but I'm going into the Air Force, so that's not gonna be an issue for me, I'll put a down payment on a new V-8 Camaro, and have the government pay for it... lol but a 300 horse V-6 is a good idea to help kill the mustang's sales... the only thing that bothers me about a V-6 is that NONE of the original Camaro's had anything smaller than a 302.
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:43 PM   #12
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Lots of original Camaros had 6-cylinder engines. From Wikipedia:
"The Camaro's standard drivetrain was a 230 (3.8L) straight-6 engine rated at 140hp (104kW) and backed by a Saginaw three-speed manual transmission"
My Camaro's 327 was originally rated at only 210 hp.
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Old 02-15-2008, 11:01 PM   #13
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Wow first post and you'll calling someone out and proving them wrong...guts man. Haha JK and welcome.

Yup, the V6 model has always been the volume seller, even in the early ones. The original idea of the pony car was a small, affordable, decently sporty car. Kinda like the equivalent to today's sport compacts.

No doubt GM's V6 model will blow the competition's V6 models away.
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Old 02-15-2008, 11:05 PM   #14
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No doubt GM's V6 model will blow the competition's V6 models away.
Understatement of the day!! Ding-ding-ding-ding!!!
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Old 02-16-2008, 12:34 AM   #15
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Even a 281 hp V6 will be pretty sporty. And with a price in the low 20's or so it will be attritive to people looking for low buck, fun to drive cars. No, it won't be a true muscle car, but power to weight will be better than nearly all of the third gens -they never cracked 12 lbs/hp as far as I know. Yes yes, 'turd gen' but it is a noteworth tidbit. I am confident that the new Camaro will give anyone, buying any model, the most bang for their buck.
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Old 02-16-2008, 12:47 PM   #16
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affordable is a good thing, but I'm going into the Air Force, so that's not gonna be an issue for me, I'll put a down payment on a new V-8 Camaro, and have the government pay for it... lol but a 300 horse V-6 is a good idea to help kill the mustang's sales... the only thing that bothers me about a V-6 is that NONE of the original Camaro's had anything smaller than a 302.
didnt the 67 camaro come optional with the 283...i thought it did anyway could b wrong though

in 1967
230 I6 140bhp.
250 I6 155bhp @ 4200rpm, 235lb-ft @ 1600rpm.

in 1968
230 I6 140bhp.
250 I6 155bhp @ 4200rpm, 235lb-ft @ 1600rpm

in 1969
250 I6 155bhp @ 4200rpm, 235lb-ft @ 1600rpm

these are the smallest engine options i could find idk if u knew but just to show that the 302 wasnt the smallest engine option for the camaro
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Old 02-16-2008, 01:32 PM   #17
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didnt the 67 camaro come optional with the 283...i thought it did anyway could b wrong though

in 1967
230 I6 140bhp.
250 I6 155bhp @ 4200rpm, 235lb-ft @ 1600rpm.

in 1968
230 I6 140bhp.
250 I6 155bhp @ 4200rpm, 235lb-ft @ 1600rpm

in 1969
250 I6 155bhp @ 4200rpm, 235lb-ft @ 1600rpm

these are the smallest engine options i could find idk if u knew but just to show that the 302 wasnt the smallest engine option for the camaro
3rd gen Camaros had "Iron Duke" 4 cylinders. A high horse v6 won't bad for most. I'll need a v8, but I could picture the wife in a v6.
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3rd gen Camaros had "Iron Duke" 4 cylinders. A high horse v6 won't bad for most. I'll need a v8, but I could picture the wife in a v6.
ah yes your rit, forgot about the 3rd gen four-bangers , you are rit about that one. and yes if only i could afford one, even the high v6 i would definitly take it

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I'm just hoping the base V8 will start at 27k so I can option her up to 30k! Not only that, I'd like to see a few of the monsters on the road to stomp the sh!t out of the 'Stang and Challenger!
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^ +1 to that!
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LIMITED EDITION V8 MODELS?????? hopefully not all of them right??? or are they just talking about the big v8??
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I think what they mean is that the V8 models are not going to be the volume models. So the majority sold will be V6s, because not as many people want V8s.
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Old 02-18-2008, 10:08 AM   #23
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I'm interpreting the 'limited edition' to mean the GT-500 fighters. Only cause 361, or even 400hp....isn't exactly 'fire-breathing' by today's standards.

DON'T GET ME WRONG!!! ~400hp is very snug in the Fire-breathing category to me, but...not to most other people - we've grown accostomed to expecting 350+ hp or bail........
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Old 02-18-2008, 11:15 AM   #24
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I just hope that Chevy doesnt make the same mistake that they did in the 80's. I went to a dealership to buy a new 1988 IROC. The sticker was 18,000. I was told by more than one dealership "sorry kid your sallary doesnt support such a high loan". My mother had a freind at a ford delership so I went and talked to him and I drove out with a new 14,000 Mustang GT. I then kicked every IROC and GTA Trans AM ass that I came across. Anyway my point is Chevy has done it in the past and they will find an excuse to do it again. I can just here it now. Well we have nav on star and alot of other things that the FORD Mustang doesnt. Well whoever is reading this from the ranks of GM. Make sure its priced similar to the MUSTANG or lose sales. I love CHEVY but not for four grand more.
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As long as they don't bundle too many options together, it shouldn't be too hard to keep the pricing close.

I just hate it when they force you to get all sorts of things in packages instead of piecemeal. I understand that makes it easier to build the cars in batches, but it's still a pain in the ass.
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