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Old 04-08-2013, 05:05 PM   #101
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Please review rebuttals in red. If you removed all the "marginal weight" statements, the total would be less than 10 pounds, which most drivers could probably find at the gym. Most of the "do not add weight" features have to do with the dash assembly, driver information center, or other integral parts of the car.

A few points did not get red text. I didn't respond to those because I can see removing those.

As for most of the other complaints, we're just feeding the troll by arguing.
Whoa whoa whoa, easy now. I think you totally misunderstood. I wasn't trying to say that it needed anything else removed, or that any of that weighed much of anything, or that it would gain a single thing by having any of it removed. It wasn't at all about weight or "too many things" or "not enough things". I thought my post was clear, but I guess I need to explain more clearly because there seem to be a few people who totally missed my point in one way or another...

A lot of people here (not all people here) are saying and have the idea that the Z/28 is a "stripped down race car with almost no creature comforts that just so happens to be street legal" and "you can't really use it for anything but track days" and things to that effect. I'm not going to quote anyone specifically, but there is a lot of that type of stuff in the many threads (large and small) about this car. I was saying that the Z/28 has a lot of comfort and convenience features... a whole lot of them... and if you step back and look at it from a completely fresh point of view, you might see that. For a car that really is designed for the track (by engineers and designers who put a lot of time and R&D into it - which costs a lot of money) with the best of the best performance parts (which cost a whole lot of money on their own), this thing is very useful and has a ton of extras! (no, not literally a ton). And that's a good thing!

For the record, I've been a regular poster on many car forums at various times for the last 14 years straight, and I've never once been called a troll... because I make it a point not to troll. I notice that that word gets thrown around a lot here and most of the time it isn't at all used appropriately. I may have a different viewpoint than someone (or someones), but that does not mean I'm trolling by expressing it.

Hopefully that clears up any misconceptions that there may or may not have been.


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I see a lot of sour grapes in here.....
I believe the word for that these days is "passion". (No seriously, us lot do have a fair amount of it! No one I work with gives two flips about anything related... cars are nothing more than a necessary evil to get to work and back. I love the passion here!)
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:08 PM   #102
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True. I guess my point is the car may be "street legal", but not street friendly. I just cant see myself picking up a woman for a date in a car with one speaker, no spare tire or jack, etc then say I paid 60 Gs on it.
And she certainly wouldn't be impressed if the car experienced "expensive breaks". Especially if it left you both on the side of the road...




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Old 04-08-2013, 05:12 PM   #103
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True. I guess my point is the car may be "street legal", but not street friendly. I just cant see myself picking up a woman for a date in a car with one speaker, no spare tire or jack, etc then say I paid 60 Gs on it.
That's gotta be one of the worst reasons not to buy the Z/28 I have heard yet.
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:17 PM   #104
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That's gotta be one of the worst reasons not to buy the Z/28 I have heard yet.
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:17 PM   #105
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Whats to be blown away about it? This is exactly my point. The new z/28 isnt an engineering marvel aside from its breaking system. Chevy is gonna charge 60-70 probably even 80 grand on a concept thats been around for 50 years. All youd be doing is paying for some expensive breaks and z/28 badges.
I sort of remember hearing somewhat the same arguments and mis-understanding when the ZL1s came out..."That much more for just a blower?...Who needs all that tire, wheel, suspension stuff?...I'll just add a super-charger to my SS and save 15K!...Those are way too expensive for what you actually get...Who can afford that?..."

...Don't hear any of that now...Same will be true with the Z/28. However it's priced it will be well worth it, just like the ZL1 is...More to the Z/28 than just brakes....
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Old 04-08-2013, 05:18 PM   #106
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That's gotta be one of the worst reasons not to buy the Z/28 I have heard yet.
lol really? You obviously arent comprehending my point. The car is not suitable for daily driving. No AC? One speaker? No spare tire? Lol Id be embarrassed to tell anybody I spent that much on a car and got so little.
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lol really? You obviously arent comprehending my point. The car is not suitable for daily driving. No AC? One speaker? No spare tire? Lol Id be embarrassed to tell anybody I spent that much on a car and got so little.
Dude! the SS doesnt come with a spare tire! Come on! This is not a daily driver! Youre wanting a car to impress women with. THis is NOT the car to do that in. This is a MAN's car! Period!
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That's gotta be one of the worst reasons not to buy the Z/28 I have heard yet.
Some people don't have the imagination to take their girl for a date at the track eh?

Cool guy: "Hey Baby! Want to go a date to a track day? Ride in a "race car" on a race track? Hooked on Driving is having an event at Thunderhill next week, let's go!"

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Old 04-08-2013, 05:27 PM   #109
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I sort of remember hearing somewhat the same arguments and mis-understanding when the ZL1s came out..."That much more for just a blower?...Who needs all that tire, wheel, suspension stuff?...I'll just add a super-charger to my SS and save 15K!...Those are way too expensive for what you actually get...Who can afford that?..."

...Don't hear any of that now...Same will be true with the Z/28. However it's priced it will be well worth it, just like the ZL1 is...More to the Z/28 than just brakes....
The Zl1 isnt an SS with a supercharger. While its true you may be able to make an SS faster for cheaper, What about the beefed up rear end? The MRC? Not to mention the engine isnt simply an LS3 with a supercharger.
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lol really? You obviously arent comprehending my point. The car is not suitable for daily driving. No AC? One speaker? No spare tire? Lol Id be embarrassed to tell anybody I spent that much on a car and got so little.
No I do. It seems you are the one that doesn't get the point of the Z/28. It's not for people who car more about the number of speakers their car has or how many ways their seat adjusts. It's for people who want to drive around a race track as fast as possible while driving the car home. It's for people who want to say their Camaro can run with cars costing twice as much money.

The car isn't for you but I would kill to get one.
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The Zl1 isnt an SS with a supercharger. While its true you may be able to make an SS faster for cheaper, What about the beefed up rear end? The MRC? Not to mention the engine isnt simply an LS3 with a supercharger.
...Exactly my point...same arguments, such as "all it has is more expensive brakes.." don't apply to the Z/28, either...
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Dude! the SS doesnt come with a spare tire! Come on! This is not a daily driver! Youre wanting a car to impress women with. THis is NOT the car to do that in. This is a MAN's car! Period!
I wouldn't tell my male friends I spent that much on a stripped down Camaro. And I wholeheartedly agree this car is not meant to be a daily driver. So why tout it as such?

My point is why so much for so little?
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The Zl1 isnt an SS with a supercharger. While its true you may be able to make an SS faster for cheaper, What about the beefed up rear end? The MRC? Not to mention the engine isnt simply an LS3 with a supercharger.
You're searching for amenities on a car that doesn't have what you're looking for. What you want is badges on a ZL-1 I'm guessing? The Z is not the car for you. I didn't buy my SS for women. I bought the most modern day muscle car at the time from Chevrolet. The Z is what I would've wanted. Just not at the price they're going to charge. It's def got the goods I want. So we'll see if it depreciates a little in value over time and maybe I may get one. If not ill buy something else and turn it into a racer for cheaper.
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No I do. It seems you are the one that doesn't get the point of the Z/28. It's not for people who car more about the number of speakers their car has or how many ways their seat adjusts. It's for people who want to drive around a race track as fast as possible while driving the car home. It's for people who want to say their Camaro can run with cars costing twice as much money.

The car isn't for you but I would kill to get one.
I absolutely get the point. Just not for 60-70 thousand dollars. Its bad enough to go backward, its even worse when it cost more money to do it.
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That's because that's not what the car was made for.
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It is basically a race car... it is not all that street friendly. Most people would not like riding in it. If that includes you, get over it; you're not as hard core as you thought... no shame in that.

It will be expensive to purchase and expensive to maintain... if money is at all a concern, this car is not for you.

GM doesn't really care how many of these cars they sell; they only care that it exists.

GM has been up front and candid about what this car is and what it isn't... so just accept it and move on.

Whining about what this car will cost and what it isn't good for is about as stupid as a farmer looking at a thoroughbred horse and complaining that it is expensive and won't pull a plow.
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I wouldn't tell my male friends I spent that much on a stripped down Camaro. And I wholeheartedly agree this car is not meant to be a daily driver. So why tout it as such?

My point is why so much for so little?
Because its a track car. You're just given a right to drive it on the street. They wanted it to be what it was in the late 60s early 70s. The COPO is just a shell with a race car underneath and look at the price?

Your male friends would be idiots if you bought this car and they thought you were stupid. This is a machine. Pure and simple a beast! Who gives a **** what anyone thinks if you spend the money on this? I don't buy shit for others' satisfaction. I buy it for mine. So should you.
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Why can't you get a trailer hitch from the factory on the Z/28? What good is a vehicle with 500 HP costing $60,000+ and can't even be used to pull a trailer to the track. I guess I will just need to leave my grill and tent and my cooler at home. That car is totally useless....
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You're searching for amenities on a car that doesn't have what you're looking for. What you want is badges on a ZL-1 I'm guessing? The Z is not the car for you. I didn't buy my SS for women. I bought the most modern day muscle car at the time from Chevrolet. The Z is what I would've wanted. Just not at the price they're going to charge. It's def got the goods I want. So we'll see if it depreciates a little in value over time and maybe I may get one. If not ill buy something else and turn it into a racer for cheaper.
Lol I dont buy cars for women. If that was the case I woukdve bought a corvette. My point is its not worth that much money. GM should've dropped an LS7 in an SS, add MRC, tune it to 540 horsepower or in that ball park, add carbon fiber parts for weight, add a carbon fiber drive shaft, Recaros, hell even remove the back seat, or make it easily removed. Then offer it for 70 Gs and market it as the best Camaro.
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Because its a track car. You're just given a right to drive it on the street. They wanted it to be what it was in the late 60s early 70s. The COPO is just a shell with a race car underneath and look at the price?

Your male friends would be idiots if you bought this car and they thought you were stupid. This is a machine. Pure and simple a beast! Who gives a **** what anyone thinks if you spend the money on this? I don't buy shit for others' satisfaction. I buy it for mine. So should you.
Lets be realistic. Its not worth the money. Id be surprised if anyone in your circle made a dumb decision and you not call them on it. Basically, your saying you know its not worth the money, but you dont care. I do.
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I absolutely get the point. Just not for 60-70 thousand dollars. Its bad enough to go backward, its even worse when it cost more money to do it.
So if it came with 9 speakers and standard A/C, you would be tripping all over yourself just to get it?

How is this going backwards? Since when did speakers make a car modern? This car goes forward in a different direction than what you want.
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Lets be realistic. Its not worth the money. Id be surprised if anyone in your circle made a dumb decision and you not call them on it. Basically, your saying you know its not worth the money, but you dont care. I do.
Well honestly if it goes for 60 it is worth it. He'll it really doesn't matter what they cost because I firmly believe it'll be a collectors car. I'm really wishing for nothing that the car depreciates in value. It's not a dumb decision. I wouldn't say it's def an investment but its more likely to go up in value than down. Question is will they have an audience for it in 40-50 yrs?
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So if it came with 9 speakers and standard A/C, you would be tripping all over yourself just to get it?

How is this going backwards? Since when did speakers make a car modern? This car goes forward in a different direction than what you want.
Lol No. But one speaker? Come on. Besides, its not just the speaker. Youre just being silly. Its what youre getting for the price.
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Well honestly if it goes for 60 it is worth it. He'll it really doesn't matter what they cost because I firmly believe it'll be a collectors car. I'm really wishing for nothing that the car depreciates in value. It's not a dumb decision. I wouldn't say it's def an investment but its more likely to go up in value than down. Question is will they have an audience for it in 40-50 yrs?
I dont know if itll be a collector car. People throw that around way too much. The guys that woukd be willing to purchase this car for three or four times its value 50 years from now will be dead. The only way I see it being a collector is if GM drastically limits its production. Similar to the 00 Cobra R.
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Lol No. But one speaker? Come on. Besides, its not just the speaker. Youre just being silly. Its what youre getting for the price.
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Yeah, this car doesn't come with shit. I don't get why they are charging so much for it.
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'60's SS Impalas and Vettes are worth thousands more with factory radio and especially heater delete. I have a '63-64 Impala SS radio delete plate and have never seen another ever. My '77 RS had no air- I couldn't afford it ! I never listen to my radio in my '13!
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