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Old 04-08-2013, 06:18 PM   #126
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Ya wanna play, ya gotta pay... They just don't want any Bozo to want one. It takes a special breed. If you don't see the value in a car like this, then they make something else for you.
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I dont know if itll be a collector car. People throw that around way too much. The guys that woukd be willing to purchase this car for three or four times its value 50 years from now will be dead. The only way I see it being a collector is if GM drastically limits its production. Similar to the 00 Cobra R.
I'd be willing to bet its first yr of production, no more than 1500 are sold. Is that limited enough for you?
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Here we go again, a disgruntled want to be Z28 purchaser? No.
A ZL1 owner justifying his purchase? Ding, ding, ding.

It's NOT for you. I repeat it's NOT for you.
It has very expensive parts on it. Parts that you'd see on racing GT cars which cost $$$,$$$. Again we get you want to impress others coworkers, girls, anyone, etc. and it's OK you don't get it...now just let it go.
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Don't forget the $40k price difference between a GTR and Z/28.
You can buy a Z/28 and 1LE for the price of a GTR



Poor excuse for a Z/28?

Go troll somewhere else.
That looks like a troll response, I think your 98 is a POS to, but hey some idiot had to buy that crap for Chevy to sell it..........I bet you like mustangs to......
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Old 04-08-2013, 06:44 PM   #131
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That looks like a troll response, I think your 98 is a POS to, but hey some idiot had to buy that crap for Chevy to sell it..........I bet you like mustangs to......
I disagree that its a POS. It gets the job done for me. I didn't buy it new, my dad did. I'm driving it now while I finish restoring my Chevelle.

I like Mustangs but that's because I'm not some brand humping fanboy. I like cars, no logos.
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True. I guess my point is the car may be "street legal", but not street friendly.
Not "street friendly" enough for you, perhaps.

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I just cant see myself picking up a woman for a date in a car with one speaker, no spare tire or jack, etc then say I paid 60 Gs on it.
1. There's no reason she has to know how much you spent on it unless she helped you buy it. That it's yours and not borrowed from Daddy or Uncle is all she needs to know.

2. If she's that put off by the lack of amenities in a car that isn't hers, maybe that should tell you something.

3. If all she does is understand it - let alone the odd chance that she might actually appreciate it, she's a keeper.


That you'd feel embarrassed to talk about it to your friends means that neither you nor your current circle of friends "gets it". That's OK, too.


Now . . . for those of us who grew up with cars that were far more Spartan than the most basic 2014 Z/28 can possibly be and which didn't have anywhere near the same performance in exchange, all this whining about what the Z/28 doesn't have/isn't going to get is exactly that - childish whining. With apologies to Don Henley and Glenn Frey, "Get Over It".



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I dont see whats so impressive about what is essentially a painted body in white camaro.

Why are bragging about a car that is losing technology?

Id be much more impressed if this car could whip a ZL1 aroujd a road course while still having navigation, more than 1 speaker, sound deadening materials in place and kept the jack and tire in back.

How much faster would a ZL1 be with the same applications?
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Whats to be blown away about it? This is exactly my point. The new z/28 isnt an engineering marvel aside from its breaking system. Chevy is gonna charge 60-70 probably even 80 grand on a concept thats been around for 50 years. All youd be doing is paying for some expensive breaks and z/28 badges.
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Id like them to come up with a way to have performance as well as amenities. If you were to add all the stuff GM removed to make it a street car, it would drastically effect performance.


Its the same argument I have with guys as far as the 13 Shelby. All Ford did was add a bigger supercharger, up the boost, max out the block, and add a cold air intake. Apply the same concept to the ZL1. A 427, replace the 1.9 with the same 2.3 found on the ZR1, up the boost from 8psi to 14, and add a cold air. Easily over 700 horses.
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True. I guess my point is the car may be "street legal", but not street friendly. I just cant see myself picking up a woman for a date in a car with one speaker, no spare tire or jack, etc then say I paid 60 Gs on it.
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lol really? You obviously arent comprehending my point. The car is not suitable for daily driving. No AC? One speaker? No spare tire? Lol Id be embarrassed to tell anybody I spent that much on a car and got so little.
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The Zl1 isnt an SS with a supercharger. While its true you may be able to make an SS faster for cheaper, What about the beefed up rear end? The MRC? Not to mention the engine isnt simply an LS3 with a supercharger.
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I wouldn't tell my male friends I spent that much on a stripped down Camaro. And I wholeheartedly agree this car is not meant to be a daily driver. So why tout it as such?

My point is why so much for so little?
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I absolutely get the point. Just not for 60-70 thousand dollars. Its bad enough to go backward, its even worse when it cost more money to do it.
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Lol I dont buy cars for women. If that was the case I woukdve bought a corvette. My point is its not worth that much money. GM should've dropped an LS7 in an SS, add MRC, tune it to 540 horsepower or in that ball park, add carbon fiber parts for weight, add a carbon fiber drive shaft, Recaros, hell even remove the back seat, or make it easily removed. Then offer it for 70 Gs and market it as the best Camaro.
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Lets be realistic. Its not worth the money. Id be surprised if anyone in your circle made a dumb decision and you not call them on it. Basically, your saying you know its not worth the money, but you dont care. I do.
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Lol No. But one speaker? Come on. Besides, its not just the speaker. Youre just being silly. Its what youre getting for the price.
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I dont know if itll be a collector car. People throw that around way too much. The guys that woukd be willing to purchase this car for three or four times its value 50 years from now will be dead. The only way I see it being a collector is if GM drastically limits its production. Similar to the 00 Cobra R.
You're obviously uninformed and it's almost shameful that you are a Camaro owner. You would think that someone that has the ability to own a ZL1 would comprehend the nature of all the different trim levels available for the Camaro, would understand the nature and purpose of the Z/28. Take some time and read, no even better, Google the history of the Z/28 and then Google cost of maintaining a race car and when you have something of value or an inciteful perspective about the Z/28, come back and elaborate. Other than that, you are just being an antagonist.
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Old 04-08-2013, 07:02 PM   #134
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'60's SS Impalas and Vettes are worth thousands more with factory radio and especially heater delete. I have a '63-64 Impala SS radio delete plate and have never seen another ever. My '77 RS had no air- I couldn't afford it ! I never listen to my radio in my '13!
How old are you and did you buy those cars new? if you dont mind my asking.

The reason why I ask is whats Nostalgic for youre generation, may not be for the next.
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1969 was the last year. 1973 was the last year for Z28. Z28 thereafter.
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How old are you and did you buy those cars new? if you dont mind my asking.

The reason why I ask is whats Nostalgic for youre generation, may not be for the next.
I'm 54 and bought the '77 new at 18. one in three of new '77's had no air conditioning. The firebirds were probobly one in 4 had no air. The h.p. then was so low that not adding air may have given a few hp- maybe not.
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I think we can all agree here that Rikki Tikki just doesn't get it. Given he seems to be the only one, that is a good thing. The people that DO get it way outnumber the one guy that doesn't. I'd be worried about the future of the Z/28 if the Rikki Tikkis outnumber the real track guys.

Rikki, you keep coming back to cost. You must not understand how much it costs to have a track car that is capable of running the lap times the Z/28 is capable of. The Z/28 is a bargain for what it is/does
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Here we go again, a disgruntled want to be Z28 purchaser? No.
A ZL1 owner justifying his purchase? Ding, ding, ding.

It's NOT for you. I repeat it's NOT for you.
It has very expensive parts on it. Parts that you'd see on racing GT cars which cost $$$,$$$. Again we get you want to impress others coworkers, girls, anyone, etc. and it's OK you don't get it...now just let it go.
...that sums it up Chance....myself being a ZL1 owner, and an older guy.....who does not give a rats pittute about anything other than getting an allocation and trading in on it <with my ZL1 of course>. The more things change, the more they stay the same. You only go 'round once....I just wanna go 'round fast no frills style.........., in a brandy new, gosh darn honest factory production racer... <Z/28>
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...that sums it up Chance....myself being a ZL1 owner, and an older guy.....who does not give a rats pittute about anything other than getting an allocation and trading in on it <with my ZL1 of course>. The more things change, the more they stay the same. You only go 'round once....I just wanna go 'round fast no frills style.........., in a brandy new, gosh darn honest factory production racer... <Z/28>
You my friend are true ZBrother! I'm justifying my desire for one as well.
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I've changed my mind on the z/28. I will most likely be buying one when they come out, it will be a daily driver. Yes... A daily driver. Not a garage queen or track car, I will drive it and enjoy the #### out of that 427
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I've changed my mind on the z/28. I will most likely be buying one when they come out, it will be a daily driver. Yes... A daily driver. Not a garage queen or track car, I will drive it and enjoy the #### out of that 427
Congrats. I wish you success on acquiring one.
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Congrats. I wish you success on acquiring one.
Thanks, I'm saving up big time to pay off my SS and get a z/28 at the same time. Hopefully ill be able to by early next year. I want to have the z/28 as a DD and then turn my SS into a 416 stroker, cammed, badass street machine. Ill have the z/28 as a collectors item even though it'll be my dd lol
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I'd love to have that big ol 427, just awesome!
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Some people don't have the imagination to take their girl for a date at the track eh?

Cool guy: "Hey Baby! Want to go a date to a track day? Ride in a "race car" on a race track? Hooked on Driving is having an event at Thunderhill next week, let's go!"

Cool girl: "Ohhh! Yes! That sounds great! No guy has ever asked me to do that before! Sounds like so much fun I am going to wear my tightest jeans and no panties!"

DUH, Winning!
This! (is the best post in this thread.) Kudos.

I don't get all this fuss. You want a Z28 that performs like a 1LE with an LS7? Just get a 1LE, add LTs and a cam and poof! You have a Camaro as fast or even faster than a real 1LE LS7 would have been. Then go buy yourself some Z28 emblems and stick em on your fenders. Some might bust on you for that, But life is more fun if you think for yourself. You can even put 427 emblems on the motor. Without a teardown, no one can call you a liar!

Then just follow Zfatuated's dating advice with your style Z28 and still get lucky. Win-Win!
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Whoa whoa whoa, easy now. I think you totally misunderstood. I wasn't trying to say that it needed anything else removed, or that any of that weighed much of anything, or that it would gain a single thing by having any of it removed. It wasn't at all about weight or "too many things" or "not enough things". I thought my post was clear, but I guess I need to explain more clearly because there seem to be a few people who totally missed my point in one way or another...

A lot of people here (not all people here) are saying and have the idea that the Z/28 is a "stripped down race car with almost no creature comforts that just so happens to be street legal" and "you can't really use it for anything but track days" and things to that effect. I'm not going to quote anyone specifically, but there is a lot of that type of stuff in the many threads (large and small) about this car. I was saying that the Z/28 has a lot of comfort and convenience features... a whole lot of them... and if you step back and look at it from a completely fresh point of view, you might see that. For a car that really is designed for the track (by engineers and designers who put a lot of time and R&D into it - which costs a lot of money) with the best of the best performance parts (which cost a whole lot of money on their own), this thing is very useful and has a ton of extras! (no, not literally a ton). And that's a good thing!

For the record, I've been a regular poster on many car forums at various times for the last 14 years straight, and I've never once been called a troll... because I make it a point not to troll. I notice that that word gets thrown around a lot here and most of the time it isn't at all used appropriately. I may have a different viewpoint than someone (or someones), but that does not mean I'm trolling by expressing it.

Hopefully that clears up any misconceptions that there may or may not have been.



I believe the word for that these days is "passion". (No seriously, us lot do have a fair amount of it! No one I work with gives two flips about anything related... cars are nothing more than a necessary evil to get to work and back. I love the passion here!)
In that case, I may have read into your post a little more than necessary. I may have been a little trigger-happy initiating a response.
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It's all good.

Right on, even the antagonist managed to convince members on the fence to go with the Z/28

Good discussion all around, it goes to show you need some negativity to bring out all the positives.
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Can't like Mustangs, as so far the guys who like this Z/28 the most tend to own a Mustang. It's disgruntled Camaro owners who seem to have the problem with it. Pretty much everyone in my local Mustang club thinks GM knocked this one outta the park.
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