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Old 04-05-2013, 09:26 AM   #1
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Understeer

Ok so we all know the camaro has terrible understeer. Mostly off a launch when trying to get out of first to second its almost like I lost control of the car and the understeer kicks in. What would help this? A sway bar? Would the stock one(comes on verts) be good enough?
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:33 AM   #2
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Not stomping on it so hard in a corner. Springs and sway bars both can effect understeer. most manufactures purposely set up cars to understeer. Regular people tend to get into less trouble with cars that understeer then ones that oversteer. Are you autocrossing or tracking? Changing the setup so the car doesn't understeer when launching, may result in a car that will have major oversteer issues in higher speed corners.

It's amazing what will affect understeer. I had a fwd 1994 Subaru SVX. I added a supercharger to the boxer-6 and converted it to AWD using a rear biased JDM STi drivetrain. The car went from being a heavy understeering FWD to an insane understeer AWD monster. I had to be careful not to let the boost kick in on a corner or the car would spin 180+ degrees before you could catch it. Scared the crap out of an autocross instructor the first time I took it out. I told him about the conversions before the run. After doing a donut at the first corner, the instructor said "You didn't say you made it a RWD." I replied "I didn't, It's an AWD." The car was hard to autocross, because the boost would always come on hard in the middle of a corner and try to kick the rear around on me.

Basically, call a reputable suspension company and tell them what you want and how you plan to use the car. They will be the best source for info.

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Old 04-05-2013, 10:49 AM   #3
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Ok so we all know the camaro has terrible understeer. Mostly off a launch when trying to get out of first to second its almost like I lost control of the car and the understeer kicks in. What would help this? A sway bar? Would the stock one(comes on verts) be good enough?
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Sell the stock SS, and get a 1LE....just kidding, but according to most reports, this package has eliminated the majority, if not all, of the understeer. Possibly purchasing some of the components that make this package unique woudl be a great place to start.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:21 AM   #5
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Moving to a square tire setup will make the biggest difference. If that doesn't go far enough then the next step would be stiffening the suspension in the rear.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:27 AM   #6
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Ok so we all know the camaro has terrible understeer. Mostly off a launch when trying to get out of first to second its almost like I lost control of the car and the understeer kicks in. What would help this? A sway bar? Would the stock one(comes on verts) be good enough?
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When you say "launch", are you talking about a straight-line acceleration through second gear? If so - I'm not sure that's understeer...

You have to drive the car pretty hard through a corner to experience understeer...but once you do - it's very easy to fix with a properly-sized aftermarket sway bar. Ask one of our suspension sponsors on here - they'll have much more details.
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:34 AM   #7
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+1 on the sway bar.

But getting a square tire setup will help as well. Im also confused about what you mean by "launch"
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:45 AM   #8
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When you say "launch", are you talking about a straight-line acceleration through second gear? If so - I'm not sure that's understeer...
I was wondering about that too
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Old 04-05-2013, 12:10 PM   #9
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I figured he said launch because he was autocrossing. For some reason some course designers like to put the start line on a corner. I asked why they did that one time and I was told to take the advantage away from the AWD cars. I was driving an AWD at the time and was a little PO'd by that. The cars being AWD is taken into account when they are classed, so designing a course to take that advantage away is wrong.
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Old 04-05-2013, 01:39 PM   #10
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Pfadt and Pedders solved it for me

Sway bars and bushings
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Ok so we all know the camaro has terrible understeer. Mostly off a launch when trying to get out of first to second its almost like I lost control of the car and the understeer kicks in. What would help this? A sway bar? Would the stock one(comes on verts) be good enough?
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Could you clarify when this happens? On straight line hard launches? Accelerating out of corners???
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Old 04-05-2013, 02:18 PM   #12
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Sorry I didn't specify, I meant like straight line launches. The the other day I was around 20 mph 3k in first and was gunning it, then when I shifted to 2nd I almost lost control of the car lol. Not sure if under steer is the right term for that then. Educate me lol
Also I don't think it was too cold outside, I know these tires don't stick in cold conditions
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Sorry I didn't specify, I meant like straight line launches. The the other day I was around 20 mph 3k in first and was gunning it, then when I shifted to 2nd I almost lost control of the car lol. Not sure if under steer is the right term for that then. Educate me lol
Also I don't think it was too cold outside, I know these tires don't stick in cold conditions
That is wheel spin

There is a luandry list of things you can upgrade to more effectively control wheel spin. The easiest and the cheapest is most often over looked. Alignment.

Get your 5th Gen to an alignment shop and have the reduce the rear camber to 0.00 if possible the rear toe should be Toe IN 0.10 for a Total Toe of 0.20. My guess is you'll see am improvement of substance.

Tell us a bit more about how you drive and the mods you have made to your Camaro.
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Leave the traction control on and that will not happen. I just went to a 1LE rear end and no way I am driving without it on now, the car is scary quick in 1st and 2nd.
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Leave the traction control on and that will not happen. I just went to a 1LE rear end and no way I am driving without it on now, the car is scary quick in 1st and 2nd.
Don't those gears change the whole feel of the car?
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Sorry I didn't specify, I meant like straight line launches. The the other day I was around 20 mph 3k in first and was gunning it, then when I shifted to 2nd I almost lost control of the car lol. Not sure if under steer is the right term for that then. Educate me lol
Also I don't think it was too cold outside, I know these tires don't stick in cold conditions
Understeer would imply some steering is going on, otherwise they'd call it understraight.

Understeer: a handling characteristic of an automotive vehicle that causes it to turn less sharply than the driver intends because the front wheels slide to the outside of the turn before the rear wheels lose traction.
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Understeer would imply some steering is going on, otherwise they'd call it understraight.

Understeer: a handling characteristic of an automotive vehicle that causes it to turn less sharply than the driver intends because the front wheels slide to the outside of the turn before the rear wheels lose traction.
I like plow. You want to turn, but the car keeps going straight and you plow into the curb, the guard rail or the North 40 while you throw seed out the windows
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Well I do enjoy giving a good plowing now and then, but yeah I'd rather my cars turn.
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Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car. Oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.
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Old 04-05-2013, 03:51 PM   #21
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I wouldn't say wall, limit of traction yes. Hitting the wall is a very different racing term. Push or plow are the common terms for understeer.
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as pete said you have a wheel spin issue. wheel spin can be a good thing unless you are a hardcore drag racer. It saves things from breaking
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Old 04-05-2013, 04:39 PM   #23
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All I really have done is a borla atak exhaust and SLP cold air intake, nothing too fancy. I guess I'll just have to be more careful lol. Scared the shit out of me
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Old 04-05-2013, 05:31 PM   #24
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I wouldn't say wall, limit of traction yes. Hitting the wall is a very different racing term. Push or plow are the common terms for understeer.
Perhaps i should have included a smiley. Its a classic racing joke. Nevertheless, it makes it easy for the newbies to understand the concept.
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Leave nannies on. Also, check tire pressures.
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