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Old 04-13-2013, 11:32 AM   #51
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So it's all about age and experience when it comes to everything right? So let me use another analogy. Who would you trust more with a gun, a 21 year old (enter name of spec. ops team here) or a 40 year old who has been shooting on the range their entire life? It's not just age and it's not just experience, one size does NOT fit all.

Bottom Line: It comes down to what experiences that individual has had, not the amount of experience.
TBH that's not a good analogy at all, but to answer your question... the 40 year old. Specops or not, there is no amount of experience with a firearm that the 21 year old will have that will trump 19 more years of firearm experience. He/she might have some talents or training the older person might not have, but time behind a firearm... not even close. People are delusional about specops teams. They get a lot of training, but it's not all firearms training. What makes them good is their teamwork, planning, controlling their emotions, and ability to adapt... not their proficiency with a firearm. Additionally, we're talking about driving, and a 21 year old is night and day from a 16-18 year old (the age group I specifically mentioned). Apples to oranges my friend.

But yes, when it comes to a skill like driving, experience trumps all. If you truly wish to nitpick, yes it matters what kind of experience for certain things. For example a 40 year old that has never been off roading will get stuck where a 20 year old that has been doing it since they were 16 will likely not. But without knowing anything about either of them, I'm statistically more safe riding with the 40 year old.
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Old 04-13-2013, 05:07 PM   #52
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Ok, so a lot of people on this site seem to think that kids (early drivers) should not be able to drive a powerful car like the Camaro. There are alot of stories about kids getting into accidents and dying or killing their passengers, or other drivers. Here is what I think:
Saying that "kids" should to have the opportunity to drive these cars, is an unfair statement. I personally bought my car after my father passed away. I was 18 Years old, and am still paying for my car by myself. I am a very responsible driver, like a lot of other "kids" out there. The reason kids are always in the news, is for that exact reason: Kid + Nice Car + Crash = News. Any person is capable of driving in a manner that endangers lives, and even reading on these forums, "4 cylinders is enough for kids" comes up enough. All I am trying to say, is if a "kid" can legitimatly buy his/her own car and be a safe, proud owner of it, than it should be accepted.

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Old 04-13-2013, 05:13 PM   #53
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Let's think about all the classic muscle car guys who bought their first car early, maybe with help from family, and ended up driving something really powerful. Today, we don't seem to give the young guys the same credit. Back there, there were no nannies to help control that power, either.
This is a good point. But the other side of that coin is that when those classic muslce car guys got their first car and it was powerful, they had experience driving RWD cars....with no nannies

Most teens today are very used to a car- if they are used to any car- that electronically monitors their driving and keeps them out of trouble for the most part

As I said earlier, I had a stoopid V8 car at 17. But I had more experience driving stoopid V8 RWD cars at 17 than most 'kids' do today at age 25. When I took Dad's poly 318 Polara out in the rain and went around a corner too fast, the rear stepped out. And that car was dog slow.
I have nothing against kids with powerful cars, I just want to round out your scenario by mentioning that while the age of the driver from yesteryear to today is the same, their general knowledge and experience of cars is hardly the same- cars today are by and large so much easier to drive without being in danger of losing control unless you do something monumentally stupid that there's no comparison
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This is a good point. But the other side of that coin is that when those classic muslce car guys got their first car and it was powerful, they had experience driving RWD cars....with no nannies

Most teens today are very used to a car- if they are used to any car- that electronically monitors their driving and keeps them out of trouble for the most part

As I said earlier, I had a stoopid V8 car at 17. But I had more experience driving stoopid V8 RWD cars at 17 than most 'kids' do today at age 25. When I took Dad's poly 318 Polara out in the rain and went around a corner too fast, the rear stepped out. And that car was dog slow.
I have nothing against kids with powerful cars, I just want to round out your scenario by mentioning that while the age of the driver from yesteryear to today is the same, their general knowledge and experience of cars is hardly the same- cars today are by and large so much easier to drive without being in danger of losing control unless you do something monumentally stupid that there's no comparison
That and all cars built before 1976 (could be off by a few years) had much thicker sheet metal on the body panels than cars nowadays. Ever try denting a 1950's Chevelle? You could take a bat to it and not leave a dent.
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That and all cars built before 1976 (could be off by a few years) had much thicker sheet metal on the body panels than cars nowadays. Ever try denting a 1950's Chevelle? You could take a bat to it and not leave a dent.
WHY would you ever try to dent a 50s Chevelle?!
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Old 04-13-2013, 05:37 PM   #56
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Well you wouldn't. But say, if your ex-wife wanted to - she couldn't.
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That and all cars built before 1976 (could be off by a few years) had much thicker sheet metal on the body panels than cars nowadays. Ever try denting a 1950's Chevelle? You could take a bat to it and not leave a dent.

My cousin's 1980s Toyota pickup jumped out of gear and rolled down a hill into the back of my 1970 Buick one day

He needed a new grille and bumper. I only needed to get a Toyota off my car to make my car look like nothing had happened. That rear bumper is like a brick wall

But I wouldn't ever try denting a 1950's Chevelle. I'd be in violation of some universal laws of time
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I am 50 plus years old, And I think 18 year old is plenty old to drive a hi performance vehicle. This is why.. My first car was a 69 Camaro at age 15 with a 6 cylinder, no posi, and a powerglide trans ( 2 gears). The same car 1 year later 16 year old driver 327, 4 speed, 4:11 posi. Age 17 ,, Lazar stage3 Nitrous oxide kit 9.4 quarter mile time @140 and this was back in 1979 when air bags, nannies, traction assist computer, did not exist. Now it probably not for every 18 year old. But for some it is .. just my $.02
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I am 50 plus years old, And I think 18 year old is plenty old to drive a hi performance vehicle. This is why.. My first car was a 69 Camaro at age 15 with a 6 cylinder, no posi, and a powerglide trans ( 2 gears). The same car 1 year later 16 year old driver 327, 4 speed, 4:11 posi. Age 17 ,, Lazar stage3 Nitrous oxide kit 9.4 quarter mile time @140 and this was back in 1979 when air bags, nannies, traction assist computer, did not exist. Now it probably not for every 18 year old. But for some it is .. just my $.02
And let me guess, again not trying to bash - just playing devil's advocate, you never once had a close call that made you go "what the hell was I thinking" - right?
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That and all cars built before 1976 (could be off by a few years) had much thicker sheet metal on the body panels than cars nowadays. Ever try denting a 1950's Chevelle? You could take a bat to it and not leave a dent.
Chevelles weren't made until the 1964 model year, so it would be impossible to dent a 50's Chevelle.
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Chevelles weren't made until the 1964 model year, so it would be impossible to dent a 50's Chevelle.
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Chevelles weren't made until the 1964 model year, so it would be impossible to dent a 50's Chevelle.
Haha touché. So how about a '66 Chevelle then? That a better example

And damn, I need to start fact checking before I post a random decade and car model
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And let me guess, again not trying to bash - just playing devil's advocate, you never once had a close call that made you go "what the hell was I thinking" - right?
OF course, Life's experiences are the best teacher
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TBH that's not a good analogy at all, but to answer your question... the 40 year old. Specops or not, there is no amount of experience with a firearm that the 21 year old will have that will trump 19 more years of firearm experience. He/she might have some talents or training the older person might not have, but time behind a firearm... not even close. People are delusional about specops teams. They get a lot of training, but it's not all firearms training. What makes them good is their teamwork, planning, controlling their emotions, and ability to adapt... not their proficiency with a firearm. Additionally, we're talking about driving, and a 21 year old is night and day from a 16-18 year old (the age group I specifically mentioned). Apples to oranges my friend.

But yes, when it comes to a skill like driving, experience trumps all. If you truly wish to nitpick, yes it matters what kind of experience for certain things. For example a 40 year old that has never been off roading will get stuck where a 20 year old that has been doing it since they were 16 will likely not. But without knowing anything about either of them, I'm statistically more safe riding with the 40 year old.
There really is no convincing you.... well it's okay because that's YOUR opinion. Again experience trumps age. Age is just a number, experience (especially the type of experience) is what really matters when it comes to anything.
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I'm just gonna say this. I'm 17, and you could call me "dumb and spoiled" with "rich yuppie parents", but I know how to respect the things I have. Yes, my parents bought me my car and pay for insurance, but it does not make me respect it any less. I care for my car better than anyone else I personally know. I've educated myself on everything I need in order to keep my car in the best shape I can. So why in the world would I do something stupid that could make me lose my car? I care for my car very much, and am extremely thankful for it. I'm not going to act like I don't speed, but I respect the power the car has. Never have I street raced or "tested the limits" - I'm not stupid.


Don't generalize all teenagers to be disrespectful and unthankful for what they're given, because many of us aren't.
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There really is no convincing you.... well it's okay because that's YOUR opinion. Again experience trumps age. Age is just a number, experience (especially the type of experience) is what really matters when it comes to anything.
Because when it comes to driving, experience doesn't come with age right? Those 16-18 year-olds are just drowning in experience. It's not JUST my opinion. It is statistics. It's also... wait for it... experience. I know it. Insurance companies know it. Police know it. Adults (should) know it. This is a reality that a younger crowd needs to accept. Nothing wrong with it. Just the way things are.
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I'm just gonna say this. I'm 17, and you could call me "dumb and spoiled" with "rich yuppie parents", but I know how to respect the things I have. Yes, my parents bought me my car and pay for insurance, but it does not make me respect it any less. I care for my car better than anyone else I personally know. I've educated myself on everything I need in order to keep my car in the best shape I can. So why in the world would I do something stupid that could make me lose my car? I care for my car very much, and am extremely thankful for it. I'm not going to act like I don't speed, but I respect the power the car has. Never have I street raced or "tested the limits" - I'm not stupid.


Don't generalize all teenagers to be disrespectful and unthankful for what they're given, because many of us aren't.
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Im 19 and I have a 1970 Camaro running a 600+ HP big block. My DD is a 93 Chevy with a late 80s Corvette motor so it's no slouch either. I consider myself to be a good driver, so far no wrecks or tickets. When i do get to driving my Camaro, you can bet I'm gonna be safe because 1) It's really nice and the last thing i want to do is hit someone and 2) There's no need to drive like an idiot. I notice a lot of the more sketchy drivers are the guys at my college with the late 90's early '00s Mustangs.
In my opinion, it's more the kid than the car as many people have already said.

Felt like sharing my input because of my age and the fact that I have a wicked Camaro.
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