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Old 04-10-2013, 07:42 PM   #1
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Exclamation 1LE v Z/28

There really is no comparison...as they say it is in 'purist' form for 2014 but somehow in between now and then my backside prefers premium just like Charmin', and I for one would not trade in my 2013 2SS/RS 1LE just to have a Z/28 again. There are too many advantages to already having a 1LE that can be modded for a few thousand more to bring it in par with the ZL1 or the future Z/28 and still have all the creature features. Do not get me wrong I like what I see and the future for Camaro and the next generation coming up, but I have found my new friend in the 1LE for now. I would throw out that the Z/28 will probably be between 47k-52k which would be middle ground between the 2SS and ZL1. I hope the aftermarket doesn't drop off right away when the next generation comes out for the fifth gens. Just wanted to share and hear what everyones' opinions are of the two...please post up...all negative and positive feedbacks are welcome! BTW, we did get our 427 Z/28! Thank you again GM/Chevrolet!
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Old 04-10-2013, 07:54 PM   #2
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I hear it's going to be priced higher than the zl1. As for performance, if the z28
lives up to the hype, it should be very hard to match it for a few thousand. On the
other hand, I'd still rather daily drive a thoughtfully modded 1LE; although I could
not afford a z28 anyway if it costs more than a ZL1 which I also can't afford.
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Old 04-10-2013, 09:20 PM   #3
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I hear it's going to be priced higher than the zl1. As for performance, if the z28
lives up to the hype, it should be very hard to match it for a few thousand. On the
other hand, I'd still rather daily drive a thoughtfully modded 1LE; although I could
not afford a z28 anyway if it costs more than a ZL1 which I also can't afford.
I agree and am in the same boat financially! Our 1LE will be a daily driver, and I do not see the Z/28 meeting that need!
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Old 04-10-2013, 09:25 PM   #4
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I always fail to understand these comparison threads. You have an awesome car. Be happy with it. If not, sell it and get what you want.

Now, this is going to tick some people off but that's not my intent.

Stop worrying about modding your cars to be on par with this or that. Here's the reality. You can't modify your V6 Camaro to be on par with an SS for what it costs to buy an SS. You can't modify your SS to be on par with the 1LE for the cost of the 1LE option. So on and so forth. Get the picture? You can't make a 1LE on par with either Z. Yes, you can add power, that's really not the point.

I personally think the 1LE is the best bang for the buck Camaro going. Put some headers and a cold air kit on it and drive the crap out of it.
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Old 04-10-2013, 09:31 PM   #5
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The Z/28 will be priced north of the ZL1, (so 60k+).....That has already been established by GM

The 1LE is a great car, but I have one on order because I cannot comfortably afford a Z/28

The thoughts of "matching the performance for X amount of dollars" are always nule in my book, The Z/28 comes with a warranty. Modding anything beyond a few bolt on the 1LE and the 5/100 powertrain warranty in non existent.
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:31 AM   #6
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The Z/28 will be priced north of the ZL1, (so 60k+).....That has already been established by GM

The 1LE is a great car, but I have one on order because I cannot comfortably afford a Z/28

The thoughts of "matching the performance for X amount of dollars" are always nule in my book, The Z/28 comes with a warranty. Modding anything beyond a few bolt on the 1LE and the 5/100 powertrain warranty in non existent.
I could not agree more with your comments, and those of BlueClyde. These 1LE's seem like great cars, great enough that I ordered one having never driven one. It has all the go fast and handling that I need right now because I am being honest about my ability as a driver. I have drag raced for years and have been to road race school. This car is going to allow me to improve on my ability as a driver in the later discipline. I do not see many comments regarding the personal mod that this car will afford us lucky enough to purchase one, and I think either many on this forum have a false sense of their own ability, or they are missing out on the biggest amount of improvement you could add to the car, and it does not cost as much as many of the mods I see being discussed! I guess what I am saying is that before I try to make my new 1LE a Z/28 (which I could not afford to do), I am going to make sure I can ring every bit of performance out of the stock 1LE! Just my opinion!
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Old 04-11-2013, 10:34 AM   #7
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The Z/28 will be priced north of the ZL1, (so 60k+).....That has already been established by GM

The 1LE is a great car, but I have one on order because I cannot comfortably afford a Z/28

The thoughts of "matching the performance for X amount of dollars" are always nule in my book, The Z/28 comes with a warranty. Modding anything beyond a few bolt on the 1LE and the 5/100 powertrain warranty in non existent.
at 60k id almost rather have the 1LE.

I love the Z/28 is - but not at that price. Not when i can buy a 1LE for 35k and if i really wanted to could swap in an LSX 454 block for 10k plus a few more thousand for the extras required.

Or if I wanted to spend 60k - you can buy a nice 67-69 Camaro and buy speedtech/dse suspension setups and an LS drive train

Or just buy a new C7 or a used Z06 maybe even a used ZR1.

I know there is hype for the Z/28 - but I think GM needs to be smart with its pricing or else they will turn off buyers

A 2014 1LE with those Recaros (and hopefully) the Z/28 wheels - im drooling
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Old 04-11-2013, 02:47 PM   #8
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its all about sayin i got a z/28 to alot of ppl . most will buy and never get the benifit of what the car is made for. hard to compare the 2 . but the 1le is a great car. im sure after the first 6 months u will be able to find them used and get a good deal on one.. but i wouldnt pay 60k for one unless i was just loaded and needing to spend money for something i dont need lol.
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I always fail to understand these comparison threads. You have an awesome car. Be happy with it. If not, sell it and get what you want.

Now, this is going to tick some people off but that's not my intent.

Stop worrying about modding your cars to be on par with this or that. Here's the reality. You can't modify your V6 Camaro to be on par with an SS for what it costs to buy an SS. You can't modify your SS to be on par with the 1LE for the cost of the 1LE option. So on and so forth. Get the picture? You can't make a 1LE on par with either Z. Yes, you can add power, that's really not the point.

I personally think the 1LE is the best bang for the buck Camaro going. Put some headers and a cold air kit on it and drive the crap out of it.
This is so wrong!
Guarantee my non supercharged, bolt on 1LE will definitely give a stock ZL1 a big big run for the money, I'd go as far as to say I would win!
And all the bolt ons cost me was about 3 k!!
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This is so wrong!
Guarantee my non supercharged, bolt on 1LE will definitely give a stock ZL1 a big big run for the money, I'd go as far as to say I would win!
And all the bolt ons cost me was about 3 k!!
You feel the mods you have listed gave your engine 150 more hp?
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This is so wrong!
Guarantee my non supercharged, bolt on 1LE will definitely give a stock ZL1 a big big run for the money, I'd go as far as to say I would win!
And all the bolt ons cost me was about 3 k!!
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Old 04-13-2013, 03:13 AM   #12
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A 2014 1LE with those Recaros (and hopefully) the Z/28 wheels - im drooling
I'm not the only one in love with those wheels?
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You feel the mods you have listed gave your engine 150 more hp?
No I didn't say that but if your talking horse power to the motor not the wheels here, then I would say close to 100, maybe not quite 150 but let's not forget my car is at least 300 pounds lighter then a ZL1......
I'm not saying I would definitely win, maybe I was getting a little crazy in my first statement about this..... but I guarantee it would be very interesting..

I definitely do know one thing that guy who said I couldn't make my car perform like a Z for cheaper was dead nuts wrong! If I just spent another 2-3k on mine and put a Cam and head work in I would definitely take it down.
I would be putting just about same h p to the wheels in a lighter car!
It's common sense...
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:44 AM   #14
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This is so wrong!
Guarantee my non supercharged, bolt on 1LE will definitely give a stock ZL1 a big big run for the money, I'd go as far as to say I would win!
And all the bolt ons cost me was about 3 k!!
You have totally missed the point. It's not about bolting parts on and making something as fast in a straightaway. Sure you can do this. The point is it still does not match the total package/ability of the ZL1. You simply can't do this for the price of a ZL1. When I say total package, I mean performance and durability. It can't be done with bolt ons.

One more point... It's going to take more than headers, exhaust and CAI to hang with a ZL1. What your lacking is torque. I had a max build NA SS that put 485 HP to the wheels. My stock ZL1 is quicker due to instant torque from the S/C.
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You have totally missed the point. It's not about bolting parts on and making something as fast in a straightaway. Sure you can do this. The point is it still does not match the total package/ability of the ZL1. You simply can't do this for the price of a ZL1. When I say total package, I mean performance and durability. It can't be done with bolt ons.

One more point... It's going to take more than headers, exhaust and CAI to hang with a ZL1. What your lacking is torque. I had a max build NA SS that put 485 HP to the wheels. My stock ZL1 is quicker due to instant torque from the S/C.
I got the point the first time and I'll say it again your so wrong.
I disagree on every aspect of your argument.
Your car stock is running quarter miles at 12.1 , it's a no brainer that my car will run at least that with the work that's done to it, again common sense.
And as far as handling goes, we all know how awesome the 1LE does around the track, so with a little more power, again say goodnight to the Z or at very least they'll be finishing side by side...
So you need to get a basic understanding of what's up here.. . your car is sweet but think your in denial of how fast an actual Z is, it's No super car!
And to be honest it's not that impressive for the money at all IMO ....now a 1Le ,WOW what a bang for the Buck!!
So in conclusion your wrong, I can make my car for significantly less money perform just as good as yours if not better. I didn't even mention the fact of what a supercharger would do... can you say bye bye Z
Even doing the charger will still be less money then buying a Z!!

By the way sweet car!!

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Look young man (assumption based on your responses), I never claimed anything about the Z. I made a few simple points that most knowledgable Camaro people can understand and likely agree with. I have had a totally stock SS. I have had another highly modified SS. I know from which I speak. I was on the way to upgrading everything on the SS to make it what the ZL1 turned out to be. I would have had well in excess of $20K into the car (on top of the purchase price). This isn't about racing. While you say you got the point I fear your emotions on the subject are preventing you from getting it. It's not about which one is faster at a drag strip. You should really do some research because you are making yourself sound very silly. Go do some homework.
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Look young man (assumption based on your responses), I never claimed anything about the Z. I made a few simple points that most knowledgable Camaro people can understand and likely agree with. I have had a totally stock SS. I have had another highly modified SS. I know from which I speak. I was on the way to upgrading everything on the SS to make it what the ZL1 turned out to be. I would have had well in excess of $20K into the car (on top of the purchase price). This isn't about racing. While you say you got the point I fear your emotions on the subject are preventing you from getting it. It's not about which one is faster at a drag strip. You should really do some research because you are making yourself sound very silly. Go do some homework.
Here here old man!! It is you who needs to do some research and it is you that sounds silly!!
Time for reality check!
you simply have no clue, you entertaining though I give you that!!!

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Ahh old men and there wanna be super cars, got love it!!
I think you are ONLY selling yourself.
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Look young man (assumption based on your responses), I never claimed anything about the Z. I made a few simple points that most knowledgable Camaro people can understand and likely agree with. I have had a totally stock SS. I have had another highly modified SS. I know from which I speak. I was on the way to upgrading everything on the SS to make it what the ZL1 turned out to be. I would have had well in excess of $20K into the car (on top of the purchase price). This isn't about racing. While you say you got the point I fear your emotions on the subject are preventing you from getting it. It's not about which one is faster at a drag strip. You should really do some research because you are making yourself sound very silly. Go do some homework.
My money is on a H/C 1LE on the strip and the road course. Some guys run 11s@124mph+ on the 1/4. The instant torque is great, but if youre always in your powerband with the right gearing, you get the same instant torque in a N/A build. I know were talking about stock VS modded, which isnt fair, but the ZL1 is 15$K more. Plenty of cash to burn into mods. I dont like the ZL1 supercharged/heat problems. Very heavy car too.

ZL1 is the superior car stock vs stock, but the 1LE is damn close even with 150hp less, costing 15K less too!! Anyway, GM inflated the hp number, its the same engine as the CTSV and I'm sure its more 556hp than 580. Stupid marketing.
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My money is on a H/C 1LE on the strip and the road course. Some guys run 11s@124mph+ on the 1/4. The instant torque is great, but if youre always in your powerband with the right gearing, you get the same instant torque in a N/A build. I know were talking about stock VS modded, which isnt fair, but the ZL1 is 15$K more. Plenty of cash to burn into mods. I dont like the ZL1 supercharged/heat problems. Very heavy car too.

ZL1 is the superior car stock vs stock, but the 1LE is damn close even with 150hp less, costing 15K less too!! Anyway, GM inflated the hp number, its the same engine as the CTSV and I'm sure its more 556hp than 580. Stupid marketing.
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GM's own timed laps of the ZL1 and 1LE at VIR shows the ZL1 lap time at 6 seconds faster. These are GM test times with factory cars and their test driver. Go check out Yuotube. Not sure how familiar you are with road course racing but that is a relatively significant difference. Lots of things account for the 6 seconds and with the price of the ZL1 this should be expected. That said, the 1LE at sub 3 minutes put down one hell of a lap.

So Mr SSRS55, let's try to keep this simple. You have a 2SS with the 1LE option, which I believe is a $3500 option on that car. Correct?

Ok, here's the question. Now, consider everything that comes in the 1LE package before you just blurt out another response. Here we go...

If I purchase a straight 2SS, can I go to the aftermarket and put all the pieces on my car for $3500 to match what you get in the 1LE package (essentially can I mod it like for like for the same $)???

Here's the pickle you find yourself in... If you say yes somebody can do this then you are admitting you wasted your money on the 1LE option package. If you say no then you and I agree with each other.
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My money is on a H/C 1LE on the strip and the road course. Some guys run 11s@124mph+ on the 1/4. The instant torque is great, but if youre always in your powerband with the right gearing, you get the same instant torque in a N/A build. I know were talking about stock VS modded, which isnt fair, but the ZL1 is 15$K more. Plenty of cash to burn into mods. I dont like the ZL1 supercharged/heat problems. Very heavy car too.

ZL1 is the superior car stock vs stock, but the 1LE is damn close even with 150hp less, costing 15K less too!! Anyway, GM inflated the hp number, its the same engine as the CTSV and I'm sure its more 556hp than 580. Stupid marketing.
I've had a max build H/C SS professionally done by Livernois Motorsports. It was an awesome car. The sound that came from the exhaust of that car was unmatched. My ZL1 sounds nothing like it and that's one thing I really miss from my SS. I didn't have a gear in the SS and that would have really helped. I find more usable torque from the ZL, especially down low (gear would have helped the SS). From a role both cars are very close to equal but the SS sure sounded better. After having both, I prefer the ZL1. Now the high winding LS7 that is coming in the Z/28, that's going to be the way to go for that car without question.
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