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Old 04-13-2013, 01:57 PM   #18
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Ahh old men and there wanna be super cars, got love it!!
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Old 04-13-2013, 02:56 PM   #21
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Look young man (assumption based on your responses), I never claimed anything about the Z. I made a few simple points that most knowledgable Camaro people can understand and likely agree with. I have had a totally stock SS. I have had another highly modified SS. I know from which I speak. I was on the way to upgrading everything on the SS to make it what the ZL1 turned out to be. I would have had well in excess of $20K into the car (on top of the purchase price). This isn't about racing. While you say you got the point I fear your emotions on the subject are preventing you from getting it. It's not about which one is faster at a drag strip. You should really do some research because you are making yourself sound very silly. Go do some homework.
My money is on a H/C 1LE on the strip and the road course. Some guys run 11s@124mph+ on the 1/4. The instant torque is great, but if youre always in your powerband with the right gearing, you get the same instant torque in a N/A build. I know were talking about stock VS modded, which isnt fair, but the ZL1 is 15$K more. Plenty of cash to burn into mods. I dont like the ZL1 supercharged/heat problems. Very heavy car too.

ZL1 is the superior car stock vs stock, but the 1LE is damn close even with 150hp less, costing 15K less too!! Anyway, GM inflated the hp number, its the same engine as the CTSV and I'm sure its more 556hp than 580. Stupid marketing.
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My money is on a H/C 1LE on the strip and the road course. Some guys run 11s@124mph+ on the 1/4. The instant torque is great, but if youre always in your powerband with the right gearing, you get the same instant torque in a N/A build. I know were talking about stock VS modded, which isnt fair, but the ZL1 is 15$K more. Plenty of cash to burn into mods. I dont like the ZL1 supercharged/heat problems. Very heavy car too.

ZL1 is the superior car stock vs stock, but the 1LE is damn close even with 150hp less, costing 15K less too!! Anyway, GM inflated the hp number, its the same engine as the CTSV and I'm sure its more 556hp than 580. Stupid marketing.
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Old 04-13-2013, 03:01 PM   #23
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GM's own timed laps of the ZL1 and 1LE at VIR shows the ZL1 lap time at 6 seconds faster. These are GM test times with factory cars and their test driver. Go check out Yuotube. Not sure how familiar you are with road course racing but that is a relatively significant difference. Lots of things account for the 6 seconds and with the price of the ZL1 this should be expected. That said, the 1LE at sub 3 minutes put down one hell of a lap.

So Mr SSRS55, let's try to keep this simple. You have a 2SS with the 1LE option, which I believe is a $3500 option on that car. Correct?

Ok, here's the question. Now, consider everything that comes in the 1LE package before you just blurt out another response. Here we go...

If I purchase a straight 2SS, can I go to the aftermarket and put all the pieces on my car for $3500 to match what you get in the 1LE package (essentially can I mod it like for like for the same $)???

Here's the pickle you find yourself in... If you say yes somebody can do this then you are admitting you wasted your money on the 1LE option package. If you say no then you and I agree with each other.
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Old 04-13-2013, 03:18 PM   #25
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My money is on a H/C 1LE on the strip and the road course. Some guys run 11s@124mph+ on the 1/4. The instant torque is great, but if youre always in your powerband with the right gearing, you get the same instant torque in a N/A build. I know were talking about stock VS modded, which isnt fair, but the ZL1 is 15$K more. Plenty of cash to burn into mods. I dont like the ZL1 supercharged/heat problems. Very heavy car too.

ZL1 is the superior car stock vs stock, but the 1LE is damn close even with 150hp less, costing 15K less too!! Anyway, GM inflated the hp number, its the same engine as the CTSV and I'm sure its more 556hp than 580. Stupid marketing.
I've had a max build H/C SS professionally done by Livernois Motorsports. It was an awesome car. The sound that came from the exhaust of that car was unmatched. My ZL1 sounds nothing like it and that's one thing I really miss from my SS. I didn't have a gear in the SS and that would have really helped. I find more usable torque from the ZL, especially down low (gear would have helped the SS). From a role both cars are very close to equal but the SS sure sounded better. After having both, I prefer the ZL1. Now the high winding LS7 that is coming in the Z/28, that's going to be the way to go for that car without question.
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GM's own timed laps of the ZL1 and 1LE at VIR shows the ZL1 lap time at 6 seconds faster. These are GM test times with factory cars and their test driver. Go check out Yuotube. Not sure how familiar you are with road course racing but that is a relatively significant difference. Lots of things account for the 6 seconds and with the price of the ZL1 this should be expected. That said, the 1LE at sub 3 minutes put down one hell of a lap.

So Mr SSRS55, let's try to keep this simple. You have a 2SS with the 1LE option, which I believe is a $3500 option on that car. Correct?

Ok, here's the question. Now, consider everything that comes in the 1LE package before you just blurt out another response. Here we go...

If I purchase a straight 2SS, can I go to the aftermarket and put all the pieces on my car for $3500 to match what you get in the 1LE package (essentially can I mod it like for like for the same $)???

Here's the pickle you find yourself in... If you say yes somebody can do this then you are admitting you wasted your money on the 1LE option package. If you say no then you and I agree with each other.
Blurt Blurt Blurt..........

Your question doesn't really warrant an answer cause your resorting to changing the subject of what WE were discussing, which is the 1LE versus the ZL1 but I'll answer it anyways.
Now for the simplified version cause I'm about done wasting my time and words on a simple minded old Man!
You can absolutely make your SS perform like a 1le for 3500 bucks, will you get everything that this 3500 dollar package includes absolutely not.
My Zl1 wheels are worth the package money alone. So did I waste my money absolutely not, it's about convenience also. To get a package done from the factory like the 1LE is just awesome.

You keep refering to Modding your previous SS to make it a comparison to the ZL1 and you can not simply do this for cheap cause there is simply just to much missing, it would yes be very expensive.......... but when your talking the 1 Le, it shares so many of the characteristics of the Z ( esentially your getting a supercharger for 20k more with the Z,thats about it )that simple bolt ons will make it the more cost worthy better choice for peformance and value, Enough said, if you don't know this your foolish.

There is a reason the 1 LE is named the best balanced camaro ever!
Also for educational purposes there is a man named Mark Dickens whos job is to test and try to break things on all these cars and see what improvemnets can be made.
guess what car he prefers..yep the 1LE and thats over the new Z28 as well..
Now your opinions are not going to change cause you love what you have and your partial to it and thats great but your confusing your love for the actual fact...
Sorry man as much as I love the ZL1 ....the 1LE is definitely the winner on value and for thousands less you can make the Z look like it's red headed step child!!
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I'm going to carve through your insults and say that we maybe see things pretty close to the same way based on some of what was in your last response. Your characterization of me is wrong though. I haven't really offered opinions. I've made some statements backed up by facts. Also, the 1LE and ZL1 are totally different cars. I didn't start the comparison. You started to compare the two and yourself declared the 1LE the better value. Doesn't really matter. They're both great cars.
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I'm done.. your the one who started being smug.. and showing insult..
I was just simply pointing out how wrong you were, and you are but enough said... moving forward!!
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Old 04-13-2013, 05:47 PM   #29
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I'm done.. your the one who started being smug.. and showing insult..
I was just simply pointing out how wrong you were, and you are but enough said... moving forward!!
You're clearly in denial. Blueclyde made a valid point of comparing buying an SS and trying to make it an 1LE after the fact for $3500, when that ain't gonna happen. You're comparison of making the 1LE better than the ZL1 on a performance level, also not going to happen. For one, you take that differential spent from the SS to the ZL1 and throw that into the SS on perfomance and yes you will beat it, but if something breaks, OOPS, there goes more money out of your pocket. Where's the value in that?

And Blueclyde is not wrong. Many would agree from his perpective. I do.
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:18 PM   #31
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I'm done.. your the one who started being smug.. and showing insult..
I was just simply pointing out how wrong you were, and you are but enough said... moving forward!!

You act like you're 12. Get over yourself and your insults to other members, you're not that awesome.

On the topic of 1LE vs a stock ZL1...
You're comparing a (theoretical) highly modded 1LE to a stock car. You can add HP and the handling will be close but not on the same level. I suppose you could replace all the bushings, endlings, sways, stiffen everything up so that it knocks your teeth out on the hwy when you hit a pothole. It still wont be as good as the magnetic ride control. Go with stock 1le susp which os very good but not as good as the MRC or mod the hell out of it so that its less streetable. Either way its still not as good as the MRC.
On the subject of HP, you do realize what a pulley swap and tune does to a ZL1 dont you? That costs waaaaay less than what you have in your mods.

Just to clarify something else here. 6 seconds on a road course is more than a significant lead, its light years. At speed, after 2 laps he would be a 1/4 mile ahead. Its not just a fender or a couple of car lengths.

Lets summarize.....
Mod the hell out of a 1LE and get it close/even to a stock ZL1.
ZL1 owner has warranty, great street manners and reliability, you dont.
ZL1 owner decides he wants to go faster so he adds a tune/pulley swap.
You now need to add a supercharger or more cubic inches. Big $$
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You're clearly in denial. Blueclyde made a valid point of comparing buying an SS and trying to make it an 1LE after the fact for $3500, when that ain't gonna happen. You're comparison of making the 1LE better than the ZL1 on a performance level, also not going to happen. For one, you take that differential spent from the SS to the ZL1 and throw that into the SS on perfomance and yes you will beat it, but if something breaks, OOPS, there goes more money out of your pocket. Where's the value in that?

And Blueclyde is not wrong. Many would agree from his perpective. I do.
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You act like you're 12. Get over yourself and your insults to other members, you're not that awesome.

On the topic of 1LE vs a stock ZL1...
You're comparing a (theoretical) highly modded 1LE to a stock car. You can add HP and the handling will be close but not on the same level. I suppose you could replace all the bushings, endlings, sways, stiffen everything up so that it knocks your teeth out on the hwy when you hit a pothole. It still wont be as good as the magnetic ride control. Go with stock 1le susp which os very good but not as good as the MRC or mod the hell out of it so that its less streetable. Either way its still not as good as the MRC.
On the subject of HP, you do realize what a pulley swap and tune does to a ZL1 dont you? That costs waaaaay less than what you have in your mods.

Just to clarify something else here. 6 seconds on a road course is more than a significant lead, its light years. At speed, after 2 laps he would be a 1/4 mile ahead. Its not just a fender or a couple of car lengths.

Lets summarize.....
Mod the hell out of a 1LE and get it close/even to a stock ZL1.
ZL1 owner has warranty, great street manners and reliability, you dont.
ZL1 owner decides he wants to go faster so he adds a tune/pulley swap.
You now need to add a supercharger or more cubic inches. Big $$
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Keep smoking that good stuff!!
Not as good as the stuff your using...or maybe you should lower your steroid intake,just saying
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