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Old 04-13-2013, 05:47 PM   #29
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I'm done.. your the one who started being smug.. and showing insult..
I was just simply pointing out how wrong you were, and you are but enough said... moving forward!!
You're clearly in denial. Blueclyde made a valid point of comparing buying an SS and trying to make it an 1LE after the fact for $3500, when that ain't gonna happen. You're comparison of making the 1LE better than the ZL1 on a performance level, also not going to happen. For one, you take that differential spent from the SS to the ZL1 and throw that into the SS on perfomance and yes you will beat it, but if something breaks, OOPS, there goes more money out of your pocket. Where's the value in that?

And Blueclyde is not wrong. Many would agree from his perpective. I do.
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Old 04-13-2013, 06:10 PM   #30
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:18 PM   #31
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I'm done.. your the one who started being smug.. and showing insult..
I was just simply pointing out how wrong you were, and you are but enough said... moving forward!!

You act like you're 12. Get over yourself and your insults to other members, you're not that awesome.

On the topic of 1LE vs a stock ZL1...
You're comparing a (theoretical) highly modded 1LE to a stock car. You can add HP and the handling will be close but not on the same level. I suppose you could replace all the bushings, endlings, sways, stiffen everything up so that it knocks your teeth out on the hwy when you hit a pothole. It still wont be as good as the magnetic ride control. Go with stock 1le susp which os very good but not as good as the MRC or mod the hell out of it so that its less streetable. Either way its still not as good as the MRC.
On the subject of HP, you do realize what a pulley swap and tune does to a ZL1 dont you? That costs waaaaay less than what you have in your mods.

Just to clarify something else here. 6 seconds on a road course is more than a significant lead, its light years. At speed, after 2 laps he would be a 1/4 mile ahead. Its not just a fender or a couple of car lengths.

Lets summarize.....
Mod the hell out of a 1LE and get it close/even to a stock ZL1.
ZL1 owner has warranty, great street manners and reliability, you dont.
ZL1 owner decides he wants to go faster so he adds a tune/pulley swap.
You now need to add a supercharger or more cubic inches. Big $$
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:18 PM   #32
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You're clearly in denial. Blueclyde made a valid point of comparing buying an SS and trying to make it an 1LE after the fact for $3500, when that ain't gonna happen. You're comparison of making the 1LE better than the ZL1 on a performance level, also not going to happen. For one, you take that differential spent from the SS to the ZL1 and throw that into the SS on perfomance and yes you will beat it, but if something breaks, OOPS, there goes more money out of your pocket. Where's the value in that?

And Blueclyde is not wrong. Many would agree from his perpective. I do.
Keep smoking that good stuff!!
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Old 04-13-2013, 07:20 PM   #33
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You act like you're 12. Get over yourself and your insults to other members, you're not that awesome.

On the topic of 1LE vs a stock ZL1...
You're comparing a (theoretical) highly modded 1LE to a stock car. You can add HP and the handling will be close but not on the same level. I suppose you could replace all the bushings, endlings, sways, stiffen everything up so that it knocks your teeth out on the hwy when you hit a pothole. It still wont be as good as the magnetic ride control. Go with stock 1le susp which os very good but not as good as the MRC or mod the hell out of it so that its less streetable. Either way its still not as good as the MRC.
On the subject of HP, you do realize what a pulley swap and tune does to a ZL1 dont you? That costs waaaaay less than what you have in your mods.

Just to clarify something else here. 6 seconds on a road course is more than a significant lead, its light years. At speed, after 2 laps he would be a 1/4 mile ahead. Its not just a fender or a couple of car lengths.

Lets summarize.....
Mod the hell out of a 1LE and get it close/even to a stock ZL1.
ZL1 owner has warranty, great street manners and reliability, you dont.
ZL1 owner decides he wants to go faster so he adds a tune/pulley swap.
You now need to add a supercharger or more cubic inches. Big $$
And yet another brain surgeon!!!
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Old 04-13-2013, 08:42 PM   #34
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Keep smoking that good stuff!!
Not as good as the stuff your using...or maybe you should lower your steroid intake,just saying
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:36 PM   #35
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Comparing the 1LE to the ZL1 is comparing apples to oranges. Theres no comparison the ZL1 is on a different level in performance handiling and ride quality at 57K you get what you pay for period.. The magnetic shocks are on pare with the 458 Italia. Having said that If I wanted a ZL1 i would of bought one . But I love my 1LE at $38,800 theres nothing out there at THAT PRICE that compares and trust me I could buy any car out there but I love a bargin! Just my two cents!
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:48 PM   #36
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^^ This.

If the 1LE was an option when I ordered my ZL1 I would have had to think very hard about it. It is the best bang for the buck model in the line.
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:57 PM   #37
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^^ This.

If the 1LE was an option when I ordered my ZL1 I would have had to think very hard about it. It is the best bang for the buck model in the line.
After ordering my 1LE , a Black ZL1 came in but it didnt have the right options and it didnt have the new mylink with navigation or I would have pulled the trigger . Anyway after seeing the ZL1 in person I cried for a week then got over it! The ZL1 is that awesome and I would take one over the stripped Z28 anyday anytime!
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:06 PM   #38
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I'm thinking hard about adding a Z/28 to the stable but it is likely going to be a very difficult car to get. I may have to wait this one out a bit instead of trying to be first in line like I did with the ZL1.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:25 PM   #39
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I'm in No way saying the ZL1 is less of a car then the 1LE ...I actually love the Z very very much.
Think my posts just got blown way out of wack. I was coming across rude to blueclyde but simply calling him old man because he was referring to me as young man... so I was just trying to be funny!
To the original topic I do stand behind my original posts though, I do feel you can make the 1LE as good as a stock Z for a lot cheaper then what the stock Z cost, whether it be in the twistys or on the drag strip..

With all that said I apologize to blueclyde for feeling I was being harsh but it was all in good fun and my opinion is my own...
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:35 PM   #40
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No harm no foul. Im not that old, only 48. You're passionate about ride. I dig that. It's a great car, no doubt.

Do yourself a favor. Read up on everything that comes in the ZL1. Every major system in the car is beefier and more durable than the SS platform. Yes the 1LE has some ZL1 DNA but there is much it does not have. The ZL1 is totally bullet proof, transmission, clutch, rear diff, axles, brakes, coolers, etc. On top of that it has MRC suspension and PTM. The new Z/28 is going to be a total track monster. People are going to be shocked by how fast this car is going to lap a road course. The ZL1 will remain the highest HP most technologically advanced Camaro, it just will not be the fastest on the road course. The Z/28 will be the top of the food chain.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:38 PM   #41
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Please guys. Don't let the 1LE sub forum degrade. We've been trying to keep things civil in here. PM each other with your rants.
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Old 04-13-2013, 11:49 PM   #42
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Please guys. Don't let the 1LE sub forum degrade. We've been trying to keep things civil in here. PM each other with your rants.
Your a little late we made up already!!
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