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Old 08-09-2013, 01:17 PM   #401
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My cam profile ideal?

239/251; .623/.623 ; 115 lsa
Same profile we were using.. But you know that already since I texted you back

The turbos will make plenty of down-low torque unlike a lot of other systems so you can go bigger on the cam side to make more base HP on motor.
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Old 08-09-2013, 03:08 PM   #402
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:09 PM   #403
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Now that AGP is a site sponsor I can post pictures like this. Kit comes with zr1 plugs, 80lbs injectors, BAP or ZL1 pump, every hose, clamp, nut, gasket, etc needed.
@Nick, so now AGP is sponsored, how much is this kit officially?
I hate it when a product has a secrete price. Make it back & white. No gray
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Old 08-09-2013, 10:59 PM   #404
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Pricing isn't suppose to be discussed in this area. Ted@JRE has had it on his site for a long time with a price.


$7500 for full kit, tuner kits are less. That is dual catch cans, zr1 plugs, bap or zl1 pump, twin 51mm turbos, 3" v band out turbine housings, scoops, huge FMIC or 1/2 size one, 80lb injectors, ceramic coating, powdercoating, setup for meth, etc etc.

Price out a magnacharger with tensioner, headers, cai, pulleys, bap, etc and you will see how good of a deal this is.
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Old 08-10-2013, 06:32 AM   #405
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Pricing isn't suppose to be discussed in this area. Ted@JRE has had it on his site for a long time with a price.


$7500 for full kit, tuner kits are less. That is dual catch cans, zr1 plugs, bap or zl1 pump, twin 51mm turbos, 3" v band out turbine housings, scoops, huge FMIC or 1/2 size one, 80lb injectors, ceramic coating, powdercoating, setup for meth, etc etc.

Price out a magnacharger with tensioner, headers, cai, pulleys, bap, etc and you will see how good of a deal this is.
Thanks Nick. It's very reasonable. Are these turbos, Journal bearing? Still great price. Tell Kevin & Ben, they did it right again
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Old 08-10-2013, 06:48 AM   #406
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They are journal bearing.
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Old 08-10-2013, 07:48 AM   #407
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Base kit is journal bearings. Customers are welcome to pay extra for whatever they want.
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Old 08-10-2013, 08:06 PM   #408
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Pricing isn't suppose to be discussed in this area. Ted@JRE has had it on his site for a long time with a price.


$7500 for full kit, tuner kits are less. That is dual catch cans, zr1 plugs, bap or zl1 pump, twin 51mm turbos, 3" v band out turbine housings, scoops, huge FMIC or 1/2 size one, 80lb injectors, ceramic coating, powdercoating, setup for meth, etc etc.

Price out a magnacharger with tensioner, headers, cai, pulleys, bap, etc and you will see how good of a deal this is.
The automatics are a few dollars more for the custom billet transmission cooler adapter block, and lines... Nice stuff.
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Old 08-10-2013, 11:26 PM   #409
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So this kit will not work with a T400 or a 4L80e? Or is there something in the works for these trans?
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Old 08-11-2013, 08:08 AM   #410
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So this kit will not work with a T400 or a 4L80e? Or is there something in the works for these trans?
Off the shelf kit will not. Kevin@AGP can put together a kit that can for a bit more. For an application like that I would call the shop.
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Old 08-12-2013, 01:49 PM   #411
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I am currently waiting on my local speed shop (up here in Seattle,WA) to process the AGP kit order, but I have been very curious about the cost and value of adding an electronic boost controller.

I am targeting the 600-800 rwhp range on my "daily drive and occasional road-course track" 2013 2SS-RS LS3.

I like the idea of being able to dial-in boost ranges by gear, and want to ensure a hard top-end limit to make sure I stay within a reasonable boost range for the stock transmission and drive-train.

Looks like the standard kit will get me there in spades in the ~6-10psi range, but I have read that many prefer to add the EBC (hyperkontrol and AEM TruBoost recommended). What is the real value of the EBC?

Anything else I really need to be considering? Upgraded cam? clutch? Per above, this is not a 1/4 mile car, this is a DD and "recreational" road course car.

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Old 08-12-2013, 01:57 PM   #412
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I am currently waiting on my local speed shop (up here in Seattle,WA) to process the AGP kit order, but I have been very curious about the cost and value of adding an electronic boost controller.

I am targeting the 600-800 rwhp range on my "daily drive and occasional road-course track" 2013 2SS-RS LS3.

I like the idea of being able to dial-in boost ranges by gear, and want to ensure a hard top-end limit to make sure I stay within a reasonable boost range for the stock transmission and drive-train.

Looks like the standard kit will get me there in spades in the ~6-10psi range, but I have read that many prefer to add the EBC (hyperkontrol and AEM TruBoost recommended). What is the real value of the EBC?

Anything else I really need to be considering? Upgraded cam? clutch? Per above, this is not a 1/4 mile car, this is a DD and "recreational" road course car.

Thanks in advance...
I don't think you will get boost by gear with Either of those typically takes a NLR AMS 1000 and a way to tell the AMS what gear your in http://www.nlrsystems.com/2009/catalog2010.html

The computer would have to be able to have tuning at each boost level you choose, You will need a Very Experience tuner to handle this, Easy for me here on my Dyno but your on the Left coast LOL

The higher the power level the More you will have to focus on Cooling for Road Coarse use.

A Cam, fuel system, Clutch Upgrade, Suspension and Driveline upgrades will all have to go along with power levels above 600 RWHP.

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Old 08-12-2013, 02:45 PM   #413
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I am currently waiting on my local speed shop (up here in Seattle,WA) to process the AGP kit order, but I have been very curious about the cost and value of adding an electronic boost controller.

I am targeting the 600-800 rwhp range on my "daily drive and occasional road-course track" 2013 2SS-RS LS3.

I like the idea of being able to dial-in boost ranges by gear, and want to ensure a hard top-end limit to make sure I stay within a reasonable boost range for the stock transmission and drive-train.

Looks like the standard kit will get me there in spades in the ~6-10psi range, but I have read that many prefer to add the EBC (hyperkontrol and AEM TruBoost recommended). What is the real value of the EBC?

Anything else I really need to be considering? Upgraded cam? clutch? Per above, this is not a 1/4 mile car, this is a DD and "recreational" road course car.

Thanks in advance...
If your looking for really dialing it in, you will want a Haltech EMS. They are now plug and play for the camaro and let you dial it in with boost by gear, etc. It even now has a flexfuel sensor that can allow you to run E85/Pump Gas on demand.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:11 PM   #414
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Stock ECU does flex fuel too, just wire in the sensor, enable it, and fill in the tables.

EBCs vary in cost and features. From adjusting boost in cabin, to delays, to multiple settings, to boost by gear or speed. You can also slow down the quick spool on many of them if needed.

That is a great thing about turbos, you can have 550rwhp for road racing/autox/daily, then turn a knob and have 800hp.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:16 PM   #415
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That is a great thing about turbos, you can have 550rwhp for road racing/autox/daily, then turn a knob and have 800hp.
You could do the same on a blower. I was going to have EBC on my novi 1500 and I know a few vettes running haltechs doing boost by gear with a ysi.
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Old 08-12-2013, 03:33 PM   #416
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Kinda. You still have a linear boost curve with a blower and can bleed off the excess boost. One issue with wastegating and doing boost control on a blower is you have to spin it fast, which means belt issues, wear on the blower and raised IATs. So pulley for 20psi at redline and you can have it hold 15psi from 4-7k or wherever it hits 15psi. With a turbo setup if you are hitting full boost at 2500 rpm you can do whatever you want from there up. Plus you aren't overspinning it and heat the air up more just to make high boost when needed.

So can it be done, yes. Does it work as well, not at all.
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Old 08-12-2013, 04:31 PM   #417
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Kinda. You still have a linear boost curve with a blower and can bleed off the excess boost. One issue with wastegating and doing boost control on a blower is you have to spin it fast, which means belt issues, wear on the blower and raised IATs. So pulley for 20psi at redline and you can have it hold 15psi from 4-7k or wherever it hits 15psi. With a turbo setup if you are hitting full boost at 2500 rpm you can do whatever you want from there up. Plus you aren't overspinning it and heat the air up more just to make high boost when needed.

So can it be done, yes. Does it work as well, not at all.
Actually it does work quite well as long as the wastegate is sized correctly, and whatever BBG/BB MPH program you are running with a good boost control solenoid. We use Boost by MPH a lot with the Haltech, so we can get the cars out of the hole. Here is a good clip of the last YSi Vette we did here with the Haltech. You'll see the boost duty cycle chart, that is based off of TPS vs. MPH. I threw in some numbers to this cycle chart just so people can see. 0% is wastespring (Which is 11.1 psi on this application). 100% is full boost (17.4psi). It works great with the Haltech EMS, Haltech Boost Control Solenoid, and a Tial MV-R WG. Very easy for the user to do all of their own settings, heck this guy is already doing all his own tuning changes and just verifying with us.

Anyways, enough with this blower talk this is a TURBO thread
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So who's gonna be first to put this kit on a forged 416 and crank the boost?
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Old 08-12-2013, 05:16 PM   #419
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Old 08-12-2013, 05:57 PM   #420
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Im wanting to do it on a 377 but am limited by 4 bolt heads.
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What is the consensus on how much boost you can run on 4 bolt heads?
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Old 08-12-2013, 09:21 PM   #422
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What is the consensus on how much boost you can run on 4 bolt heads?

I've run 25psi on numerous applications with 4-bolt heads and that is on the 'regular' ARP head studs.. Now we use the L19 studs in these applications.. .Have numerous 8-9 second cars in this psi range all day long. The nice part about a 4-bolt block also is if you send a rod through it, you just didnt punk a $5k block

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Boost is just a measure of restriction. Put a 1" TB restrictor and you can run 80psi.

L19 studs, aftermarket thick deck heads, ls9 MLS gaskets, etc. I've seen 1200+rwhp on 4 bolts without issues if the tune is good.

Matt, and put it on what? My mustang? I have no need for another blower and why would I downsize.
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Old 08-12-2013, 10:29 PM   #424
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I was disappointed also to learn this kit wouldnt work with the TH400:(

but, here at Lethal we will be installing these kits
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So who's gonna be first to put this kit on a forged 416 and crank the boost?
We already did it in an auto.

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